Irony in gay pride parades!

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    Jun 09, 2008 9:42 PM GMT
    The problem with Gay Pride is, that people can and will believe anything the see in the papers, online and hear on television or from a friend... Truth is universal but also subjective. Believe whatever you want, just don't expect me to.
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    Jun 09, 2008 10:30 PM GMT
    MikePhil saidRobis, what were my insulting claims?


    "I don't think it is subconscious at all. I think alot of gays would be lost if they had nothing to fight for" sounds pretty insulting to me.

    [quote]I gave an opinion and my reasons for that opinion. I asked questions, and only one or two attempted to answer, and you were not one of the two, surprise surprise. I am guessing you can't answer so you attack instead icon_question.gif[/quote]

    Let's get our progression down right first. I replied to another poster, pointing out that you weren't being attacked for being against Pride but rather your statement that you admit comes from a position of ignorance. You then responded by using that as an example of people not exhibiting pride (complete with the eye-roller to make sure no one mistook your sarcasm). I then responded by criticizing your victim stance.

    So who attacked first? Me or you? Who addressed a post to who first, me or you?

    Was I overly harsh? I don't think so. Your snarky response to my reply to *someone else entirely* seems to me to justify it--certainly more justified than your snarky remark.

    Of course, this is all just more of the victim mode you seem to be falling into. "Oh look, people reacted negatively to my ignorant remark, rather than welcoming me with open arms. Boo hoo hoo." B-g-sus, get over yourself already. If you can't handle negative reactions to your snarky comments, don't make snarky comments. But please stop pretending like you're being picked on, or unduly attacked.

    MikePhil saidJust like you have an opinion on me, I have an opinion on Pride. What do you know about me, that gives you the right to say what you say?


    What I know is only what you've posted here---and what you've posted here is that everything you know about Pride you learned from television. That's enough to determine that your original comment was spoken out of a position of ignorance. Unless you've expressed some other opinion about Pride in this thread, I don't see how pointing out your position of ignorance is all that audacious.

    [quote]I have never discouraged anyone from going. I have never been encouraged to go, and anytime I question it, there seems to be a problem, yet it is called Pride. Show me the pride, and stop whingeing.[/quote]

    Telling you to stop whining is not whining, Mikepaul.
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    Jun 09, 2008 11:13 PM GMT
    Robis132 said[quote][cite]MikePhil said[/cite]Robis, what were my insulting claims?


    "I don't think it is subconscious at all. I think alot of gays would be lost if they had nothing to fight for" sounds pretty insulting to me.

    [quote]I gave an opinion and my reasons for that opinion. I asked questions, and only one or two attempted to answer, and you were not one of the two, surprise surprise. I am guessing you can't answer so you attack instead icon_question.gif[/quote]

    Let's get our progression down right first. I replied to another poster, pointing out that you weren't being attacked for being against Pride but rather your statement that you admit comes from a position of ignorance. You then responded by using that as an example of people not exhibiting pride (complete with the eye-roller to make sure no one mistook your sarcasm). I then responded by criticizing your victim stance.

    So who attacked first? Me or you? Who addressed a post to who first, me or you?

    Was I overly harsh? I don't think so. Your snarky response to my reply to *someone else entirely* seems to me to justify it--certainly more justified than your snarky remark.

    Of course, this is all just more of the victim mode you seem to be falling into. "Oh look, people reacted negatively to my ignorant remark, rather than welcoming me with open arms. Boo hoo hoo." B-g-sus, get over yourself already. If you can't handle negative reactions to your snarky comments, don't make snarky comments. But please stop pretending like you're being picked on, or unduly attacked.

    MikePhil saidJust like you have an opinion on me, I have an opinion on Pride. What do you know about me, that gives you the right to say what you say?


    What I know is only what you've posted here---and what you've posted here is that everything you know about Pride you learned from television. That's enough to determine that your original comment was spoken out of a position of ignorance. Unless you've expressed some other opinion about Pride in this thread, I don't see how pointing out your position of ignorance is all that audacious.

    [quote]I have never discouraged anyone from going. I have never been encouraged to go, and anytime I question it, there seems to be a problem, yet it is called Pride. Show me the pride, and stop whingeing.[/quote]

    Telling you to stop whining is not whining, Mikepaul. [/quote]



    LOL, you are unbelievable. You dude, criticised me first. I don't give a sh*t if you done it in reply to someone else or to me. The fact is you done it. I never knew, I was not aloud to defend what I post. This must be a new rule here on RJ that I did not here about. And dude the only one whining is you. You are whining and I'm just replying to you, so get over it.

    One other thing, if you plan to keep this putting MikePhil down, you'd better show your face or just drop it. Hiding behind a mask is not very manly.

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    Jun 09, 2008 11:21 PM GMT

    COULD YOU GUYS, STOP FIGHTING!!?


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    Jun 09, 2008 11:37 PM GMT
    No one gets invited to public events!!!!! GET REAL cry babies or GET LOST!

    Jeezzz...Mountains out of molehills, I swear!!!icon_redface.gif

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    Jun 09, 2008 11:46 PM GMT
    coolarmydude saidNo one gets invited to public events!!!!! GET REAL cry babies or GET LOST!

    Jeezzz...Mountains out of molehills, I swear!!!icon_redface.gif



    I wish to fuck people would read what the fuck I wrote icon_twisted.gif
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    Jun 09, 2008 11:56 PM GMT
    coolarmydude saidNo one gets invited to public events!!!!!



    Someone invited me to a wine tasting and western heritage festival, which is public.
    You lie.
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    Jun 09, 2008 11:57 PM GMT
    DiverScienceDoes anyone get tired of people whining about pride parades? Every bleeping year. If you don't like it, don't go.

    I just thought this was worth repeating. You will not be missed if you don't go to Pride. Stay home!
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    Jun 10, 2008 12:15 AM GMT
    obscenewish said[quote][cite]DiverScience[/cite]Does anyone get tired of people whining about pride parades? Every bleeping year. If you don't like it, don't go.

    I just thought this was worth repeating. You will not be missed if you don't go to Pride. Stay home!
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    Hey,who says we're not going icon_question.gif
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    Jun 10, 2008 1:43 AM GMT
    I didn't mean you in particular, MikePhil. I know very well that you will be at Dublin Pride wearing only a four-leaf clover to cover your junk.
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    Jun 10, 2008 1:58 AM GMT
    Well, you know what they say,

    "Pride goeth before the autumn."

    And whaddaya know, it usually does.
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    Jun 10, 2008 2:14 AM GMT
    everyone that goes to pride can find what they want. if you want sex, you can find it. if you want to find a local group to get involved in, you can find it. if you want to dress in a certain attire where usually you'd be made fun of for doing so, you can wear it and be happily accepted by others. if the complaint is that there is too much drinking, and sex, nobody forces others to partake in anything they don't want to do.

    so why get upset with others for living how they want to live? the ones that went weren't upset with the people that stayed home. live and let live.

    my favorite was seeing the handicap little person tranny. she was soo happy as she wheeled down the parade, tiara, dress and all. everyone applauded her! i am happy there is pride so people can step out in the bright day and be who they want to be and educate others about their experiences.
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    Jun 10, 2008 3:37 AM GMT
    MikePhil said, "I wish to fuck people would read what the fuck I wrote icon_twisted.gif"


    With your comment above, I loooooove how in another post you accused me of not being adult with my "check yourself..." quote.

    Anyways, I say again... People seek to sign up for participating in the parade. Additionally, parade organizers seek sponsors, largely from significant local businesses who are mostly straight, but gay friendly. Are you happy now? Next time, research your own answers instead of losing your cool in blogs.
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    Jun 10, 2008 1:37 PM GMT
    obscenewish saidI didn't mean you in particular, MikePhil. I know very well that you will be at Dublin Pride wearing only a four-leaf clover to cover your junk.

    OMG, this made me snort out loud!
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    Jun 10, 2008 2:23 PM GMT
    MikePhil said[quote][cite]caesarea4 said[/cite]georgiaboy>

    MikePhil> I will never understand this thing they call "gay pride"

    There is nothing wrong with celebrating diversity or being proud of who you are. Note that pride is the alternative to the status quo ante - shame.


    I need to be honest here first. I have never been to a gay pride parade. All I know is what I've seen in pictures, and on TV, and what I have seen would not encourage me in anyway to even consider going.

    Yeah, nothing wrong with celebrating, and being proud, and I certainly have no shame, but I do not have to parade along a street half naked to do that. I cant see how that could further the cause of gays. I honestly think it is the opposite it does.

    Maybe you guys can educate me on it icon_question.gif

    One question I would like to ask, have any straight groups or individuals ever been asked to take part icon_question.gif

    Mike[/quote]

    I'll educate you on it. First georgiaboy is off base on what it represents. It doesnt represent fighting for equality no more then the st patricks day parade. Maybe sometime in the past it did back when stonewall first started but today it is about fun and entertainment.

    Second what you see in the media is the extreme cases at the parade. I went to the one in Chicago for a few times, each time it had around 200,000+ people viewing and attending from all walks of life. Gay, straight, rich and poor. Sure there were the extreme drag queens with 3' hair on roller skates and wearing a tutu but there were lots of "normal" people as well.

    I dont see the parade as being counter productive however the medias take on it is. They should cover the event as a whole like the thanksgiving parade or st patricks day parade not just interview the extremist of the crowds. What crosses your mind as you see the extreme drag queen on skates talk to the reporter? For me its a feeling of disgust because there are alot of bigoted people who believe that that queen represents the gay population as a whole. Though I did find out through some sources some of the biggest religous fanatics arguing against gays has multiple subscriptions to gay publications and gay porn. I highly doubt its for just educational purpose.icon_twisted.gif
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    Jun 10, 2008 2:35 PM GMT
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    COULD YOU GUYS, STOP FIGHTING!!?



    I agree. Arguing on a forum board is like two handicap children fighting on the street. Entertaining sometimes but stupid none the less.

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    Jun 10, 2008 3:07 PM GMT
    MikePhil said[quote][cite]DiverScience said[/cite][quote][cite]georgiaboy said[/cite]Does anyone get tired of people whining about pride parades? Every bleeping year. If you don't like it, don't go.



    Does anyone get tired of people whining about Christians? Every bleeping other day icon_rolleyes.gif[/quote]

    But MikePhil. One live in a protestant Country. Our Head of State is The Glorious: Her majesty Queen Elizabeth II. She dose not interfere in our country's politics. If Australia wanted to Give me a true blue Aussie Fag, the same rights as Some Irish catholic, whom come to oz to get a life in protestant Oz, that he could not get in his own catholic country.

    Vat City would be jumping up and dawn. Yet this is not Rome, nor a catholic Island. But protestant Oz.

    One has noting to do with gay pride marches, as they do not represent me. So I don't go, nor watch on the TV. It's easy to ignore. But One finds it hard to ignore the fact the Vat City, seems to feel it has the right tooo force it's want onto protestant oz, as for doing so. One still dose not have the same rights in Oz, as a new comer.

    Why don't you stop and look at the devastation this organisation has done to your own island in the British Isles.

    Religion is a life style choice. sexuality for most is not.

    But then I also have the choice too walk in a gay pride march if One wanted to. But I choose not to. bet you don't have the same choice, for fear of being six paced.

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    Jun 10, 2008 6:47 PM GMT
    Know Yoda, do you?
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    Jun 10, 2008 10:20 PM GMT
    obscenewish saidI didn't mean you in particular, MikePhil. I know very well that you will be at Dublin Pride wearing only a four-leaf clover to cover your junk.




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    Jun 10, 2008 10:38 PM GMT
    coolarmydude saidMikePhil said, "I wish to fuck people would read what the fuck I wrote icon_twisted.gif"


    With your comment above, I loooooove how in another post you accused me of not being adult with my "check yourself..." quote.

    Anyways, I say again... People seek to sign up for participating in the parade. Additionally, parade organizers seek sponsors, largely from significant local businesses who are mostly straight, but gay friendly. Are you happy now? Next time, research your own answers instead of losing your cool in blogs.


    Hey, enough with the bold text icon_confused.gif

    OK OK, I apologies for my language. I was having a bad day, and some people do not read all my posts.

    It was not meant to be personal. You know when you get really frustrated with something, and you just shout out "WHAT THE FUCK" or something like that icon_question.gif
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    Jun 10, 2008 10:42 PM GMT
    Gigaram said[quote][cite]obscenewish said[/cite]I didn't mean you in particular, MikePhil. I know very well that you will be at Dublin Pride wearing only a four-leaf clover to cover your junk.

    OMG, this made me snort out loud![/quote]


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    Jun 10, 2008 10:53 PM GMT
    Here in Buffalo, our PRIDE parade has become one of the biggest events of the year. I don't think that celebrating gay pride encourages segregation from mainstream society. Instead it shows that we are a part of that same mainstream society and that we are just another different group of people. It shows our strong solidarity as a community and that we are a significant force politically, socially, and economically in American society. icon_smile.gif
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    Jun 10, 2008 10:58 PM GMT
    tonyp321 said[quote][cite]MikePhil said[/cite][quote][cite]caesarea4 said[/cite]georgiaboy>
    What crosses your mind as you see the extreme drag queen on skates talk to the reporter?



    Thanks for your reply Tony. To answer your question. The nakedness and sex. I have heard there has been sex or sexual stuff. Is that true? I have no problem with drag queens so long as they have clothes on icon_smile.gif But drag queens do not represent me, and when there is a gay event, it is always the drag queens that get the spotlight. I don't have a problem with shirtless either. I would like it to be something you could bring your children to see, and not worry about sexual acts.

    Mike
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    Jun 10, 2008 11:09 PM GMT
    Pattison said[quote][cite]MikePhil said[/cite][quote][cite]DiverScience said[/cite][quote][cite]georgiaboy said[/cite]Does anyone get tired of people whining about pride parades? Every bleeping year. If you don't like it, don't go.



    Does anyone get tired of people whining about Christians? Every bleeping other day icon_rolleyes.gif[/quote]

    But MikePhil. One live in a protestant Country. Our Head of State is The Glorious: Her majesty Queen Elizabeth II. She dose not interfere in our country's politics. If Australia wanted to Give me a true blue Aussie Fag, the same rights as Some Irish catholic, whom come to oz to get a life in protestant Oz, that he could not get in his own catholic country.

    Vat City would be jumping up and dawn. Yet this is not Rome, nor a catholic Island. But protestant Oz.

    One has noting to do with gay pride marches, as they do not represent me. So I don't go, nor watch on the TV. It's easy to ignore. But One finds it hard to ignore the fact the Vat City, seems to feel it has the right tooo force it's want onto protestant oz, as for doing so. One still dose not have the same rights in Oz, as a new comer.

    Why don't you stop and look at the devastation this organisation has done to your own island in the British Isles.

    Religion is a life style choice. sexuality for most is not.

    But then I also have the choice too walk in a gay pride march if One wanted to. But I choose not to. bet you have have the same choice, for fear of being six paced.

    [/quote]


    Pat, once again I have to ask, What in Gods name are you on about icon_question.gif

    I have told you on numerous occasions, that I don't understand this babble you go on with. When you reply to me, please speak in English. I know you can do it so stop the nonsense icon_confused.gif
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    Jun 11, 2008 7:37 PM GMT
    MikePhil> But drag queens do not represent me

    They do if you don't bother to show up....


    MikePhil> I would like it to be something you could bring your children to see

    You will see plenty of children there.