Knowing your time of death

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    Jun 05, 2012 10:25 PM GMT
    I would love to know the time of my death and how it happened. I have a huge amount of anxiety over my health and it would comfort me in knowing that the symptoms that I have right now won't kill me. I have been to 2 doctors and an ER visit about the symptoms I have been having. After all kinds of tests and scans within the last 2 years everything has come up clear, 3 doctors have said it's nothing. Knowing this would give me peace of mind, no more damn near panic attacks. Everyone thinks I'm crazy and the symptoms are all in my head! So it would be nice to know if these symptoms are life threatening or not!

    I also have this crazy phobia of catastrophic events happening around me for some reason, but this doesn't stop me from going out. I also don't want to do all this shit in my life if I'm going to die soon anyway. I would like to give some benefit to the world, and knowing when I die may help determine how exactly to do that.

    A con to this though, is that I may become careless. Also, considering the paranoid pessimistic personality it's very likely I would not believe it if someone told me.
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    Jun 05, 2012 10:26 PM GMT
    no, i prefer the bliss of ignorance in this instance.
  • mynyun

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    Jun 05, 2012 10:28 PM GMT

    I'm already dead. I'm reliving these experiences, in the after life, through memories and studying my life lessons.
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    Jun 05, 2012 10:29 PM GMT
    sweetyork saidI'd want to know. I hate not having control over my life. Knowing when I was going to die would allow for proper planning.


    this is a most beautiful answer i ever read for any question here, so wise...
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    Jun 05, 2012 11:24 PM GMT
    theantijock said
    xybender said I browse through "The book of Tibetan dying and living" and bardos after death ... there is nothing scientific there.

    don't be quick to judge.. Is it a buddhist way to judge? (the 8 fold path)... I have seen cases of people hanging on to life despite debilitating diseases affect family and society (in my own family) ...simply because of fear and ignorance of death... This is a fact and not a judgement... About ignorance and fear of death, I speak from my own experience of having near death experience from both illness and events. I was once hit by a car on a bicycle and was gone for 10 minutes.


    I am not judging. I am observing. But also I know how various input makes me feel inside and then I am expressing. Were I merely judging I wouldn't have taken the time to explain my observations to you.

    Instead of browsing; try reading. I've read numerous translations of various books of the dead from different cultures. I try to read as close to the original texts as I can access, avoiding all the dimwitted interpretations, particularly by many of the more popular modern new agers with spirituality for sale. The best I've found on Tibetan lore is pretty much anything by the most brilliant Evans-Wentz. I don't know that he's browsable, but you might try reading him a few times.

    You don't know what animals think who might be dying and you don't know of anyone's so called ignorance of death from within their inner most thoughts and so you need to be careful as to which is speculation and which is the way the stream flows.

    Not to diminish the significance you attach to what you refer to as your near death experience, but most everyone near dies every night when they surrender their own consciousness to sleep. Only some of us sleep with our eyes opened. We just hate surprises.

    If you think you are emotionally stable enough and intellectually ready, you can try exploring psychonautics on your own. Google Stephen LaBerge and see if his material interests you. You might be able to access lucid dreaming as well as anyone or you might be able to induce in yourself at least one or more experiences, enough to allay your suspicions of speculation.


    Thank you. I have done lucid dreamning and holotropic breathing (Grof MD), rebirthing also. I had an 'out of this world' experience with connecting to consciousness / physical existence with another animal species that defies all prior knowledge, so I will speak of what I experienced ... as other writers you mentioned... Everyone truth will be different. It's nice people can talk and share their truths and experience... It's is deadening to idolize any truth and make it into absolute truth - that what religions are - preserving truths. As the saying goes .... "if you can speak of the truth (Tao), it's no longer the truth"

    I might add... The best thing I found I can do while alive is BE in the body, fully experience it, thus zen breathing meditation, kriya yoga, tantra and tantric sex, and kungfu and taichi ... and 'jock' activities -- as Joseph Campbell put it "life is an orgasmic state" ... it's no coincidence sex is the most sought after on the Internet and off it ... as it efface boundaries, separations (space) ..and people get a taste of eternity (death has no place while sex is on).... so there are different ways of pursuing this orgasmic state, some are more effective then others. But it will be in the end, an individual experience, though sharable... btw, music and food can be orgasmic, just like contact sports ... people have called contact sports a kind of sex.
  • Lanter

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    Jun 05, 2012 11:38 PM GMT
    I have had a good deal of experience with death and I have first hand experience with both ways. After having two family members die from illnesses, one had notification and the other one didn't, I can say that I would definitly want to know before hand. The one that went quickly was horrifying to the guy's family and pretty traumatic in many other ways. I suppose it was a lot better for him since he didn't have to deal with any emotional pain, but to have someone unexpectedly leave your life is terribly painful. The person who died slowly however, was able to let go gradually and was able to plan her own funeral and when she did end up dying it actually was more a feeling of relief because the grieving part was mostly already over and everyone had said goodbye.

    I actually have another theory that I have picked up during my experiences with death. On some subconcscious level people can sense their own death coming. This can be applied to both induviduals mentioned above and to many others I have experienced. Before people die, they have a tendency to revisit the key points in their life. These visits can be either made mentally or phyiscally and can take place anywhere from a few days to a year or so before their death. The guy I mentioned above grew up in a small town and moved away for college and spent the rest of his life living 1000 miles away. He visited home from time to time, but not very often. It had been 10 years or so since his last visit, but then someone died and he came home for the funeral. I took him around and he saw the town and his childhood home and the cemetary where his parents were buried and he just saw a quick summary of his childhood. He died less than a month later, you can call it coincidence if you like, but I think not.

    Sorry to run on, but its a topic I actually sort of enjoy thinking about. (call me crazy if you want to ;))
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    Jun 05, 2012 11:43 PM GMT
    Dear Lord, no, I don't want to know. I have enough anxiety in my life as it is to have that knowledge hanging over me.
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    Jun 05, 2012 11:46 PM GMT
    MolaMola saidWhat about if you knew the minute and the hour, but not the day or even the year?


    This would be 100X worse. NO WAY. Every day for the rest of your life when the clock is seconds from striking that time you would wonder if today you die...
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    Jun 05, 2012 11:58 PM GMT
    Lanter said... Before people die, they have a tendency to revisit the key points in their life. These visits can be either made mentally or phyiscally and can take place anywhere from a few days to a year or so before their death. ...... ;))


    definitely interesting, love to know more.... I visit my key points in my life all the time as part of meditation and 'psycho' therapies ... so I do it on purpose... but it would be another story to visit past key points unknowingly... Often in deep breathing mediation and rebirthing breathing, people get to see their pasts ... they don't die soon after, but their lives are transformed by it. Same with near-death experiences.
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    Jun 06, 2012 2:02 AM GMT
    xybender saidThank you. I have done lucid dreamning and holotropic breathing (Grof MD), rebirthing also. I had an 'out of this world' experience with connecting to consciousness / physical existence with another animal species that defies all prior knowledge, so I will speak of what I experienced ... as other writers you mentioned... Everyone truth will be different. It's nice people can talk and share their truths and experience... It's is deadening to idolize any truth and make it into absolute truth - that what religions are - preserving truths. As the saying goes .... "if you can speak of the truth (Tao), it's no longer the truth"

    I might add... The best thing I found I can do while alive is BE in the body, fully experience it, thus zen breathing meditation, kriya yoga, tantra and tantric sex, and kungfu and taichi ... and 'jock' activities -- as Joseph Campbell put it "life is an orgasmic state" ... it's no coincidence sex is the most sought after on the Internet and off it ... as it efface boundaries, separations (space) ..and people get a taste of eternity (death has no place while sex is on).... so there are different ways of pursuing this orgasmic state, some are more effective then others. But it will be in the end, an individual experience, though sharable... btw, music and food can be orgasmic, just like contact sports ... people have called contact sports a kind of sex.


    You're welcome. Glad to hear you've experienced being awake in your sleep. So much more fun than just dreaming when awake. I agree with what you say about absolute truths and hope that you apply that with vigilance to your own interpretations of your experiences, as that seems to lead to more. Describing dreaming with what seems to be other humans and other animals is not unreported by various psychonauts. And yes, life can be a lot of fun. Enjoy it.

    Row, row, row your boat,
    Gently down the stream.
    Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily,
    Life is but a dream.
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    Jun 06, 2012 2:02 AM GMT
    I think that would be way too hard to live with.
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    Jun 06, 2012 3:22 AM GMT
    I'm really surprised to hear so many would rather not know. It seems like such a practical boon to me.

    I think the freaking out described by some of the posters would be something that happens early on, and one would get over it before long. Just like when someone who is diagnosed with something will come to accept it eventually.

    A lot of people do find out they have a certain amount of time left, including everyone in hospice. With medicine, we will be better and better at predicting when we're in bad shape and it's something many of us will be faced with anyway. It's just a matter of there being little time to squeeze what we want into our lives at that point.

    A way of thinking that makes sense to me: If you have something on your list to get done, does it get done sooner if it has a Due Date or none?
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    Jun 06, 2012 3:23 AM GMT
    7Famark saidI think that would be way too hard to live with.
    That's the whole point. You'd know when you'll no longer live. And you'd also know that if you try to kill yourself before that time, you'd fail. icon_twisted.gif
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    Jun 07, 2012 2:16 AM GMT
    I was just thinking about if someone needed an organ, it would have to me be who gives it because mine (should be) good, and I won't use it for long. Knowing the time of death, you could give all your shit away instead of just dying and all of those good giblets going to waste.
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    Jun 07, 2012 2:34 AM GMT
    paulflexes said
    7Famark saidI think that would be way too hard to live with.
    That's the whole point. You'd know when you'll no longer live. And you'd also know that if you try to kill yourself before that time, you'd fail. icon_twisted.gif


    This is very "FlashForward".
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    Jun 07, 2012 2:37 AM GMT
    SourceFour saidDear Lord, no, I don't want to know. I have enough anxiety in my life as it is to have that knowledge hanging over me.


    Just keep thinking, "You're going to die! You're going to die!"





    Then, when you realize that it's going to happen sometime anyway.....go get ice cream!

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    If you're going to die, you might as well die while eating ice cream.
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    Jun 07, 2012 2:50 AM GMT
    I would like to know
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    Jun 07, 2012 4:31 AM GMT
    GAMRican saidPart of what makes living worth the while is knowing that I will die, but not knowing when.
    Am I the only person who finds this funny.
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    Jun 07, 2012 2:20 PM GMT
    sweetyork saidI'd want to know. I hate not having control over my life. Knowing when I was going to die would allow for proper planning.


    Hell yeah, I'd plan for all my bills to arrive the day after... icon_smile.gif