Knowing your time of death

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    Jun 05, 2012 6:44 AM GMT
    SkinnyBitch saidWhen starved nearly to death, one experiences euphoria I believe, which might be what you're talking about.

    I'm going to take a less drawn-out approach!
    So when is the Dalai going to die?


    I fast from time to time and found ... yep ...euphoria and ... ALSO sex is fucking amazing ... you can almost feel every single atom and every single sperm... Peeps who do roping say how cumming can feel like exploding because all the blood is restricted from flowing into the limbs.... fasting for 7 days is like cumming for the first time.... again.... fucking unbelievable.
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    Jun 05, 2012 10:50 AM GMT
    We already know (Dec 21). icon_eek.gif
  • Karl

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    Jun 05, 2012 10:55 AM GMT
    noooo !
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    Jun 05, 2012 2:37 PM GMT
    SkinnyBitch saidI don't believe the people saying "no"

    There is so much preparation you could do if you knew you were going to die. Logistically it's much better.

    Your loved ones would be given warning as well, which would soften the blow for them. They could arrange their lives by what is best for them A.D. "ie not move to another city with you for your job if you're going to die after 2 weeks".

    I'd love to know the exact date. But I will probably die at the time I choose, so it will probably be that way for me anyway, barring some kind of accident.


    Interesting way of looking at it...

    I already live hundreds, thousands and countries away from most of my loved ones. And I have not ask them to move etc...

    I guess I see knowing the exact time just the opposite. I can hear it already "I'll be dead in 6 days, 6 hours & 6 minutes, if you love me you'll....(fill in the blank)". Talk about changing peoples behavior.

    So, now I'm intetested in knowing why you say you already know your "D" date....
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    Jun 05, 2012 2:51 PM GMT
    Deepak Chopra has written about a book that exists in India that can tell the time and place of anyone's death. It is apparantly VERY accurate.

    On My first date with My first "husband" - he told Me he was dying. I was 20. I stayed.

    We ALL know we are gonna die. Maybe We should all just be a little more decent to each other - whether or not We have an expiration date.
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    Jun 05, 2012 2:57 PM GMT
    I just assume everyday is my last. No one is guaranteed a tomorrow. If i get one, i wake up pleasantly surprised.
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    Jun 05, 2012 2:59 PM GMT
    Hell yes! If it's next week I better quit working today.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Jun 05, 2012 3:01 PM GMT
    The brains of most democratic and republican politicians are already dead.
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    Jun 05, 2012 4:05 PM GMT
    I wouldn't care since death is just the beginning anyways.
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    Jun 05, 2012 5:15 PM GMT
    xybender saidTibetan monks almost all know their death. In fact many of them plan the date and how they leave this plane of existence. Many fast until they wither away


    I have not seen the Dalai Lama support the current so-called suicide protests though he has explained why he thought they were happening**. In the past, the Dalai Lama has condemned self-immolations and the last I heard him speak in person, he denounced suicide. At that time, he also discussed how it is wrong thinking to take one's own life even in cases of severe medical issues. He specifically noted (sorry but I forgot the term for it, probably it was Sanskrit but I'm not sure) an esoteric concept whereby even if a person winds up with dementia in old age, there's a mechanism in that belief system which basically holds a place in line so that all the work that person did during life on their mind and on their thinking and all the merits of that are not lost to circumstance but are redeemed in the bardos.

    As well, even in dream yoga, there can be experiences of what is referred to as the clear light of dreaming and also the clear light of death. It is forbidden in most if not all of Buddhism to willfully enter the clear light of death. Doing so is known to die by the kiss of the gods.

    So unless you care to cite sources otherwise, as far as I know, your expression of your understanding of Buddhists determining their time of death is misrepresentative, even though there exists a small but impressionably visual movement seemingly to Western understanding to be to the contrary of what is nomally considered in Buddhism to be proper thought.

    **This is what he said in 2011 after 30 monks had self-immolated...

    DALAI LAMA: "It's -- of course, it's extremely sad, very sad. But this is not sort of the something new in China itself. I think in the cultural revolution, one important Chinese monastery's abbot (ph) himself burned. And then Vietnam also you see it happen. And there are sort of cases there.

    These are one way they believe non-violence. And then if things are desperate, then in sort of having other they simply to sacrifice their own life. So very sad. So now important thing is not solution that's expressed, we are very sad. But we must think what's cause of this so desperate situation".


    And here is Thich Nhat Hanh's similar understanding on the self-immolation of Buddhist monks made world-known by the Vietnam War:

    http://www.aavw.org/special_features/letters_thich_abstract02.html
    "...The Press spoke then of suicide, but in the essence, it is not. It is not even a protest...

    ...The importance is not to take one's life, but to burn. What he really aims at is the expression of his will and determination, not death....

    ...Life is not confined to this body: life is universal. To express will by burning oneself, therefore, is not to commit an act of destruction but to perform an act of construction, i.e., to suffer and to die for the sake of one's people. This is not suicide. Suicide is an act of self-destruction...

    ...This self-destruction is considered by Buddhism as one of the most serious crimes...
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    Jun 05, 2012 5:19 PM GMT
    Hell NO! icon_eek.gif...... feel like saying "mummy im scared!"
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    Jun 05, 2012 5:24 PM GMT
    It's irrelevant.
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    Jun 05, 2012 5:50 PM GMT
    Excuse me for resorting to song lyrics, but (props to Kris Allen) gotta live like we're dying. Let your loved ones know you love them, often. Because tomorrow isn't promised.
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    Jun 05, 2012 6:08 PM GMT
    I think it would be cool to know. Really. Then I could be prepared, make sure I do everything I want to before it's all over... I don't really see the negative here, actually. I mean I know I'm going to die, I might as well know when.
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    Jun 05, 2012 6:28 PM GMT
    I wouldn't want to at all. Life's supposed to be unpredictable, that's what makes it so great.

    And when it comes to telling loved ones how much they mean to you and how much you love them, if you really love them then you'll show it all the time throughout the course of your life...By the time you die, nobody should question how you felt about them, if you made sure to show them and take advantage of every day you have then they already know. If you don't know what day will be your last, you'll make all of them count.
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    Jun 05, 2012 6:40 PM GMT
    What are you talking about? During sophomore year science fair, a ouija board told me I'm dying on my 46th birthday in a car accident. I already know!


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    Jun 05, 2012 6:44 PM GMT
    Yea sure....why b/c those people who say "live like you were dying" or "just do it" well guess what you can't. If I knew I was going to die in say a week, I would quit my job, say goodbye to my love ones the go do all that crazy stuff I always wanted to do....go sky diving, base jumping, ride a motorcycle, etc. But I can't just do that now, instead I have to spread those things out over time, do them when I have the time and proper funding.

    Knowing the time would not seem like doom and gloom to be but just allow me to know that I have the time or I don't.
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    Jun 05, 2012 6:59 PM GMT
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    xybender saidTibetan monks almost all know their death. In fact many of them plan the date and how they leave this plane of existence. Many fast until they wither away


    I have not seen the Dalai Lama support the current so-called suicide protests though he has explained why he thought they were happening**. In the past, the Dalai Lama has condemned self-immolations and the last I heard him speak in person, he denounced suicide. At that time, he also discussed how it is wrong thinking to take one's own life even in cases of severe medical issues. He specifically noted (sorry but I forgot the term for it, probably it was Sanskrit but I'm not sure) an esoteric concept whereby even if a person winds up with dementia in old age, there's a mechanism in that belief system which basically holds a place in line so that all the work that person did during life on their mind and on their thinking and all the merits of that are not lost to circumstance but are redeemed in the bardos.

    As well, even in dream yoga, there can be experiences of what is referred to as the clear light of dreaming and also the clear light of death. It is forbidden in most if not all of Buddhism to willfully enter the clear light of death. Doing so is known to die by the kiss of the gods.

    So unless you care to cite sources otherwise, as far as I know, your expression of your understanding of Buddhists determining their time of death is misrepresentative, even though there exists a small but impressionably visual movement seemingly to Western understanding to be to the contrary of what is nomally considered in Buddhism to be proper thought.

    **This is what he said in 2011 after 30 monks had self-immolated...

    DALAI LAMA: "It's -- of course, it's extremely sad, very sad. But this is not sort of the something new in China itself. I think in the cultural revolution, one important Chinese monastery's abbot (ph) himself burned. And then Vietnam also you see it happen. And there are sort of cases there.

    These are one way they believe non-violence. And then if things are desperate, then in sort of having other they simply to sacrifice their own life. So very sad. So now important thing is not solution that's expressed, we are very sad. But we must think what's cause of this so desperate situation".


    And here is Thich Nhat Hanh's similar understanding on the self-immolation of Buddhist monks made world-known by the Vietnam War:

    http://www.aavw.org/special_features/letters_thich_abstract02.html
    "...The Press spoke then of suicide, but in the essence, it is not. It is not even a protest...

    ...The importance is not to take one's life, but to burn. What he really aims at is the expression of his will and determination, not death....

    ...Life is not confined to this body: life is universal. To express will by burning oneself, therefore, is not to commit an act of destruction but to perform an act of construction, i.e., to suffer and to die for the sake of one's people. This is not suicide. Suicide is an act of self-destruction...

    ...This self-destruction is considered by Buddhism as one of the most serious crimes...
    "


    Good points here friend,... BUT there is a difference of Buddhism as a science of the mind and Buddhism as a religion. I don't subscribe to any religion including Buddhism. I don't take everything Buddhists say as a matter of fact. In fact many concepts such as bardos and dream yoga are speculations. Buddhism as a science is more like Zen and related to Taoism... Bottom line: there is nothing wrong or right, including this sentence. As Thich Nhat Hanh mentioned, suicide can be an act of construction or creation. This is not against commonsense, often mothers sacrifice their lives to save their children, not only in people (Hello, ...Miss Saigon the musical... anyone?) ... but in many animal species... Sacrifice of your life (call it suicide or self mutilation...) for others is the ultimate expression of unconditional love.

    In addition, I totally agree with physician assisted suicide. It's an act of compassion. Where modern medical practices of keeping people alive for the sake of keeping their heart beating is immoral in many ways. Two thirds of bankruptcies in this country is due to old age illnesses. It's also a burden to society and the younger generations. Just keep the establishment more wealthy. Why is there such a fear of death? simply ignorance. Just ask millions of people who have experienced near death experiences. There are hundreds of books on this subject.

    Animals often know their time of death... They simply stop eating and move on.... back to mother earth.
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    Jun 05, 2012 7:52 PM GMT
    xybender saidGood points here friend,... BUT there is a difference of Buddhism as a science of the mind and Buddhism as a religion. I don't subscribe to any religion including Buddhism. I don't take everything Buddhists say as a matter of fact. In fact many concepts such as bardos and dream yoga are speculations. Buddhism as a science is more like Zen and related to Taoism... Bottom line: there is nothing wrong or right, including this sentence. As Thich Nhat Hanh mentioned, suicide can be an act of construction or creation. This is not against commonsense, often mothers sacrifice their lives to save their children, not only in people (Hello, ...Miss Saigon the musical... anyone?) ... but in many animal species... Sacrifice of your life (call it suicide or self mutilation...) for others is the ultimate expression of unconditional love.

    In addition, I totally agree with physician assisted suicide. It's an act of compassion. Where modern medical practices of keeping people alive for the sake of keeping their heart beating is immoral in many ways. Two thirds of bankruptcies in this country is due to old age illnesses. It's also a burden to society and the younger generations. Just keep the establishment more wealthy. Why is there such a fear of death? simply ignorance. Just ask millions of people who have experienced near death experiences. There are hundreds of books on this subject.

    Animals often know their time of death... They simply stop eating and move on.... back to mother earth.


    I wasn't talking about your or any new age take or modern interpretation of Buddhism. Rather, I was speaking directly to your assertion of a Buddhist monk's take on their own religion about which I have never heard of one championing suicide as it is against their religion.

    That you seem by this to be interested in the science of mind can be useful for you but that you then try to reapply what you take from to that which has given is misleading. Understand which way that stream flows.

    The bardos simply speak to the betweens, such as sleep being the between state between being awake and being awake. And the state of being awake between the states of being asleep and being asleep. That's not speculation. Whether or not you consider life and death to be bardos is your own speculation.

    Dream yoga simply speaks to the practice of utilizing lucid dreaming to explore consciousness. I've been at it since I was a little child. Others who came before me have been at it for probably 1000s of years and the Tibetans have been studying it in a systematic way for at least a 1000 years. That western science is only recently seriously studying psychonautics, that it thought as recent as when I was conscious in my sleep as a child that it wasn't possible to be conscious in your sleep, does not make dream yoga a speculation.

    The experiences those of us who practice dream yoga have are independently verifiable in that we all seem to desribe our experiences very similarly. Interpretations of what we experience vary, obviously. That the interpretations might be speculative does not make the experiences speculative.

    What you just said that "Thich Nhat Hanh mentioned, suicide can be an act of construction or creation" is untrue. Rather, he calls suicide a religious crime. This is not just a matter of symantics but of the motivations of thoughts and actions. There is a difference between throwing yourself on a grenade to save your comrades or sitting a grenade when there is nobody but yourself to save. One is giving your life for others so can be considered constructive. The other is taking your own life with no benefit to others, it is destructive.

    As to physician assisted suicide, I believe it can be compassionate. As to your notion that people should die so as not to burden society or to burden younger generations, I believe that your thinking on that is disgusting.
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    Jun 05, 2012 7:56 PM GMT
    Yes, I think it would be great to know....it would be comforting in a way....that way I could plan things out better. It would make it easier to plan out future finances/retirement/vacations, etc. It would be very helpful.

    If it stated that it was going to be a long painful death, I could make plans to move to a state/country where they allow euthanasia.

    If I found out it was going to be next year...well...hmm...I would probably shut my businesses down....sell my home...maybe do some traveling. And I need to take care of some things...like my best friend's ashes.

    If I found out it was going to be in 10 years....I would keep doing what I'm doing...possibly start to make plans to wind down...take more time off.

    If I found out it was going to be in 20 years or more....I would probably continue what I'm doing

    What would freak me out is if I was told that I was going to live till 100 or something like that.....I don't see how I can save the many millions of dollars necessary to live that long and I don't really want to live in poverty during my last days of life.
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    Jun 05, 2012 8:08 PM GMT
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    As to physicial assisted suicide, I believe it can be compassionate. As to your notion that people should die so as not to burden society or to burden younger generations, I believe that your thinking on that is disgusting.[/quote]

    I browse through "The book of Tibetan dying and living" and bardos after death ... there is nothing scientific there.

    don't be quick to judge.. Is it a buddhist way to judge? (the 8 fold path)... I have seen cases of people hanging on to life despite debilitating diseases affect family and society (in my own family) ...simply because of fear and ignorance of death... This is a fact and not a judgement... About ignorance and fear of death, I speak from my own experience of having near death experience from both illness and events. I was once hit by a car on a bicycle and was gone for 10 minutes.
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    Jun 05, 2012 8:12 PM GMT
    I live in Syria icon_neutral.gif
    so i have done what i wanted to do long time ago .
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    Jun 05, 2012 8:30 PM GMT
    xybender said I browse through "The book of Tibetan dying and living" and bardos after death ... there is nothing scientific there.

    don't be quick to judge.. Is it a buddhist way to judge? (the 8 fold path)... I have seen cases of people hanging on to life despite debilitating diseases affect family and society (in my own family) ...simply because of fear and ignorance of death... This is a fact and not a judgement... About ignorance and fear of death, I speak from my own experience of having near death experience from both illness and events. I was once hit by a car on a bicycle and was gone for 10 minutes.


    I am not judging. I am observing. But also I know how various input makes me feel inside and then I am expressing. Were I merely judging I wouldn't have taken the time to explain my observations to you.

    Instead of browsing; try reading. I've read numerous translations of various books of the dead from different cultures. I try to read as close to the original texts as I can access, avoiding all the dimwitted interpretations, particularly by many of the more popular modern new agers with spirituality for sale. The best I've found on Tibetan lore is pretty much anything by the most brilliant Evans-Wentz. I don't know that he's browsable, but you might try reading him a few times.

    You don't know what animals think who might be dying and you don't know of anyone's so called ignorance of death from within their inner most thoughts and so you need to be careful as to which is speculation and which is the way the stream flows.

    Not to diminish the significance you attach to what you refer to as your near death experience, but most everyone near dies every night when they surrender their own consciousness to sleep. Only some of us sleep with our eyes opened. We just hate surprises.

    If you think you are emotionally stable enough and intellectually ready, you can try exploring psychonautics on your own. Google Stephen LaBerge and see if his material interests you. You might be able to access lucid dreaming as well as anyone or you might be able to induce in yourself at least one or more experiences, enough to allay your suspicions of speculation.
  • Webster666

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    Jun 05, 2012 8:32 PM GMT
    Yes, I would like to know.
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    Jun 05, 2012 8:41 PM GMT
    The only way I see it is "You have 32 years, 8 months, 2 days, 19 hours, 43 minutes, 4 seconds left".

    Ok, so uh, ok I have X time to get into grad school, X time to find a way to show my work in X places, X time to travel to X locations, X time for X things".

    Ok...so...ok...

    ~Some Time Passes~

    Fuck I'm over my time limit for getting into grad school...this means I have to reduce the X time I alloted for the other X things...so I have to recalculate...readjust...ok uh...ok I think we're still good...

    ~Tragically lose both hands in horrible accident~

    FUCK now what! I have to rethink an entirely new career! The fuck am I going to do without my hands! My entire plan is completely thrown off! Oh god time just keeps ticking away, I only have X time to live...so fucking stressed....