Unemployment is worse for Blacks under Obama Administration

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    Jun 05, 2012 3:39 PM GMT
    After owning 4 houses in my life ,boom, Obama comes along and I am
    locked out of the housing market when I needed a place the most. I won't forget that and the million dollar bonuses awarded to the companies that denied me the loans.
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    Jun 05, 2012 3:41 PM GMT
    Technology has displaced jobs, but companies are sitting on money and could hire and expand but are not because of uncertainties in both employee cost and lack of confidence in the economy resulting from Omamacare cost uncertainties, over-regulation, and a current administration that is hostile to the business community.
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    Jun 05, 2012 3:42 PM GMT
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    calibro saidperhaps, if you weren't so quick to jump on the president, you'd stop to ask the question of if one month's worth of unemployment change is indicative of overall increase of unemployment. yes, the figure rose, and is still higher than when he took office, but it has been dropping since the peak of the recession.

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    Here's the biggest issue when it comes to the unemployment - which actually minimizes the problem:

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    so let me get this straight... you start a thread about obama being bad for the employment of african americans, all based on month's change in change reports... and after i show you a graph showing that figure is actually better than where the figures were during the height of the recession, you completely switch gears to a chart on the labor force participation rate... one that shows only a few changes in percentage points over the course of years (your graph is skewed to make it appear more significant)... even though labor force participation rate and the employment rate are two different indexes... do you have an argument you want to stick or are you just throwing out soundbites of inflammatory statements in the hopes no one is smart enough to see through your logical pitfalls?


    You don't see that there are issues in both points - a. that unemployment is higher but b. this rate is artificially low because labor participation has dropped?

    A few percentage points is significant because unemployment only counts those people who well, participate in the labor force - so the effect is more significant when it is translated in unemployment rate terms.

    The argument is simple - this recovery has been one of the worst on record and it has hit those like Blacks worse than other groups - or do you disagree with any of these points?
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    Jun 05, 2012 3:45 PM GMT
    msuNtx said++++++1,000,000. Technology and shipping jobs overseas are the biggest issues. A computer can do what a normal 5 people do.


    Computers didn't get invented under the Obama Administration - and unemployment under Bush and Clinton were at historical lows. This logic doesn't fit. Think of all the new industries that have been created that didn't exist before - say 40 years ago.

    Further shipping jobs overseas? Same issues in logic given that trade has been increasing. No, these are both shifts that allow economies to further specialize and do what they do best/better. If you want to keep lower paying jobs and make an economy less efficient, fine, ban technology and trade. But if you want to create a sustainable economy, you should be encouraging both.
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    Jun 05, 2012 3:49 PM GMT
    Well, the US is a racist country that was dependent on slavery for centuries and to some extent, still is.

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    Jun 05, 2012 3:52 PM GMT
    Was just adding my 2 sense.

    Reps believe Romney will deliver.
    Dems believe Obama will deliver.

    In the end both are more similar than we realize and the policies won't differ much.
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    Jun 05, 2012 3:52 PM GMT
    The bigoted invective coming out of the Republican party will prevent black people from voting for GOPers, who do not respect equality for anyone save rich old men.

    It shocks the fringe right, but not all are greedy and worship money. Liberty and equality -- the bedrocks of this nation -- still matter to black folks.
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    Jun 05, 2012 3:56 PM GMT
    riddler78 said
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    calibro saidperhaps, if you weren't so quick to jump on the president, you'd stop to ask the question of if one month's worth of unemployment change is indicative of overall increase of unemployment. yes, the figure rose, and is still higher than when he took office, but it has been dropping since the peak of the recession.



    Here's the biggest issue when it comes to the unemployment - which actually minimizes the problem:


    so let me get this straight... you start a thread about obama being bad for the employment of african americans, all based on month's change in change reports... and after i show you a graph showing that figure is actually better than where the figures were during the height of the recession, you completely switch gears to a chart on the labor force participation rate... one that shows only a few changes in percentage points over the course of years (your graph is skewed to make it appear more significant)... even though labor force participation rate and the employment rate are two different indexes... do you have an argument you want to stick or are you just throwing out soundbites of inflammatory statements in the hopes no one is smart enough to see through your logical pitfalls?


    You don't see that there are issues in both points - a. that unemployment is higher but b. this rate is artificially low because labor participation has dropped?

    A few percentage points is significant because unemployment only counts those people who well, participate in the labor force - so the effect is more significant when it is translated in unemployment rate terms.

    The argument is simple - this recovery has been one of the worst on record and it has hit those like Blacks worse than other groups - or do you disagree with any of these points?


    the labor participation rate calculates the percentage of the population over 16 that works. it can be an indicator job growth or loss, but not necessarily. if all it did were measure jobs, it would be the same as the employment index. so why the large disparity between people who don't work in the labor force rate and those counted as unemployed? unemployed people are people who are actively looking for work: the labor rate is the total population, regardless of if they're seeking work. if you're going to talk about unemployment, stick to that graph.

    of course the recession has hit african americans more prominently, but that has nothing to do with obama. minorities have always suffered higher levels of unemployment than their white cohorts (asians excluded). to say it's obama's fault blacks are doing poorly compared to other races is completely false, and, frankly, it's borderline racist in the sense that you could be so blind as to think african americans have always been treated equal when it comes to employment and now things have suddenly changed.

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    Jun 05, 2012 3:59 PM GMT
    msuNtx saidWas just adding my 2 sense.

    Reps believe Romney will deliver.
    Dems believe Obama will deliver.

    In the end both are more similar than we realize and the policies won't differ much.


    I think one big difference will be that a Romney Administration will end up spending a lot less and that it is far more skeptical of Keynesian economics. The other big difference though is to watch congress - given that the growth of the tea party affiliated members will also help to force containment.

    There are significant differences in how both Administrations would react to economic crises and in looking at how to grow the economy.
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    Jun 05, 2012 4:00 PM GMT
    TroyAthlete saidLiberty and equality -- the bedrocks of this nation -- still matter to black folks.



    Yes, they proved that over and over again when voting for (or should I say "against") things like "gay marriage" in California and North Carolina icon_rolleyes.gif
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    TroyAthlete saidLiberty and equality -- the bedrocks of this nation -- still matter to black folks.



    Yes, they proved that over and over again when voting for things like "gay marriage" in California and North Carolina icon_rolleyes.gif


    excellent point! perhaps we white people can rescind the right we gave them to vote... after all, it's not like we've been letting them do it for that long. clearly our forefathers didn't let them vote because they're incapable of voting and we white people always vote correctly and never do bigoted things.
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    Jun 05, 2012 4:04 PM GMT
    calibro said
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    calibro said
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    calibro saidperhaps, if you weren't so quick to jump on the president, you'd stop to ask the question of if one month's worth of unemployment change is indicative of overall increase of unemployment. yes, the figure rose, and is still higher than when he took office, but it has been dropping since the peak of the recession.



    Here's the biggest issue when it comes to the unemployment - which actually minimizes the problem:


    so let me get this straight... you start a thread about obama being bad for the employment of african americans, all based on month's change in change reports... and after i show you a graph showing that figure is actually better than where the figures were during the height of the recession, you completely switch gears to a chart on the labor force participation rate... one that shows only a few changes in percentage points over the course of years (your graph is skewed to make it appear more significant)... even though labor force participation rate and the employment rate are two different indexes... do you have an argument you want to stick or are you just throwing out soundbites of inflammatory statements in the hopes no one is smart enough to see through your logical pitfalls?


    You don't see that there are issues in both points - a. that unemployment is higher but b. this rate is artificially low because labor participation has dropped?

    A few percentage points is significant because unemployment only counts those people who well, participate in the labor force - so the effect is more significant when it is translated in unemployment rate terms.

    The argument is simple - this recovery has been one of the worst on record and it has hit those like Blacks worse than other groups - or do you disagree with any of these points?


    the labor participation rate calculates the percentage of the population over 16 that works. it can be an indicator job growth or loss, but not necessarily. if all it did were measure jobs, it would be the same as the employment index. so why the large disparity between people who don't work in the labor force rate and those counted as unemployed? unemployed people are people who are actively looking for work: the labor rate is the total population, regardless of if they're seeking work. if you're going to talk about unemployment, stick to that graph.

    of course the recession has hit african americans more prominently, but that has nothing to do with obama. minorities have always suffered higher levels of unemployment than their white cohorts (asians excluded). to say it's obama's fault blacks are doing poorly compared to other races is completely false, and, frankly, it's borderline racist in the sense that you could be so blind as to think africans americans have always been treated equal when it comes to employment and now things have suddenly changed.

    chart-black-unemployment.top.gif


    The point with respect to the labor participation rate IS that people have been dropping out of the workforce under the Obama Administration. You may not think this is a serious concern but this means that there are few productive individuals out there making it more difficult to grow an economy. No, if we're going to talk about the unemployed, we should also be looking at whether or not the number is artificially low because of those who have simply given up.

    The point isn't that African Americans have had it worse than other races, the point is that it is even worse under this Administration. I think policies do make the situation worse - e.g. barriers for hiring and firing less skilled, minimum wage, etc. - given that they are disproportionately represented in these groups. I do also think however there are things that could be done - e.g. vouchers for students at the worst performing schools - but look at how Obama supported vouchers until he got rid of them for DC.
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    Jun 05, 2012 4:07 PM GMT
    TroyAthlete saidThe bigoted invective coming out of the Republican party will prevent black people from voting for GOPers, who do not respect equality for anyone save rich old men.



    There are increasingly more black people who are joining both the tea partiers and the GOP - and they are becoming increasingly represented amongst members of congress/those running for congress.

    That said, I'd agree there is a significant number of blacks who don't vote for Republicans period for any number of reasons. But these are the same people who are more likely to stay home because the Obama Administration has not furthered their cause.
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    Jun 05, 2012 4:08 PM GMT
    Republicans spending money trying to get black voters is a huge waste of money.

    It will never happen
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    The point with respect to the labor participation rate IS that people have been dropping out of the workforce under the Obama Administration. You may not think this is a serious concern but this means that there are few productive individuals out there making it more difficult to grow an economy. No, if we're going to talk about the unemployed, we should also be looking at whether or not the number is artificially low because of those who have simply given up.

    The point isn't that African Americans have had it worse than other races, the point is that it is even worse under this Administration. I think policies do make the situation worse - e.g. barriers for hiring and firing less skilled, minimum wage, etc. - given that they are disproportionately represented in these groups. I do also think however there are things that could be done - e.g. vouchers for students at the worst performing schools - but look at how Obama supported vouchers until he got rid of them for DC.



    umm... what research are you looking at? the biggest jump in unemployment by percentage for african americans happened under the bush administration. it's been pretty much that same rate as when obama took office... which included the height of the recession.
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    Jun 05, 2012 4:10 PM GMT
    DEKIRUMAN saidRepublicans spending money trying to get black voters is a huge waste of money.

    It will never happen


    I think many Democrats believe this to be the case and it's also why black voters are taken for granted.
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    TroyAthlete saidThe bigoted invective coming out of the Republican party will prevent black people from voting for GOPers, who do not respect equality for anyone save rich old men.



    There are increasingly more black people who are joining both the tea partiers and the GOP - and they are becoming increasingly represented amongst members of congress/those running for congress.

    That said, I'd agree there is a significant number of blacks who don't vote for Republicans period for any number of reasons. But these are the same people who are more likely to stay home because the Obama Administration has not furthered their cause.


    I honestly don't think that that pundits ever do a good job of characterizing the spirits of minority constituencies. The blacks are gonna vote for Obama, and the young people are gonna vote for Obama, just like they did last time. None of these shifts are dramatic enough to lose him any voters.

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    calibro saidumm... what research are you looking at? the biggest jump in unemployment by percentage for african americans happened under the bush administration. it's been pretty much that same rate as when obama took office... which included the height of the recession.


    ummm... a jump that was made even worse under the Obama Administration - and where the margins widened versus other races under the Obama Administration.
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    DEKIRUMAN saidI honestly don't think that that pundits ever do a good job of characterizing the spirits of minority constituencies. The blacks are gonna vote for Obama, and the young people are gonna vote for Obama, just like they did last time. None of these shifts are dramatic enough to lose him any voters.


    Percentage wise? Yes. In absolute numbers? No. Obama won last time in part because the young voted, and the older voters stayed home. I think you'd have to admit that the enthusiasm for Obama is significantly less than last time unless you know something different than what all pollsters - internal to the Dems alike, are saying.
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    Jun 05, 2012 4:19 PM GMT
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    calibro saidumm... what research are you looking at? the biggest jump in unemployment by percentage for african americans happened under the bush administration. it's been pretty much that same rate as when obama took office... which included the height of the recession.


    ummm... a jump that was made even worse under the Obama Administration - and where the margins widened versus other races under the Obama Administration.


    not to belabor the point... but the jump then went down... under the obama administration... which is to say it rose at the peak of the recession, then has continued to fall... the rate for african americans never returned their original levels under bush.

    so, again, please explain this:

    obama takes office with a record-level of african american unemployment (record for the recent time) in which the recession, which originates during the bush presidency, claims many jobs. the rate climbs and peaks under obama, but then drops to the level (roughly) of when he took office. so your point is they're suffering disproportionately because the previous administration made their unemployment skyrocket, then the current administration has been battling it to bring it down, which it has since the recession's peak, and this is obama's fault?
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    Jun 05, 2012 4:22 PM GMT
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    DEKIRUMAN saidRepublicans spending money trying to get black voters is a huge waste of money.

    It will never happen


    I think many Democrats believe this to be the case and it's also why black voters are taken for granted.


    The democratic party is a hot mess, but the republican party is a hotter mess. I am not suggesting that black voters are completely satisfied with the democratic party, but there are no other viable options.

    Even when republican policies could benefit the black community, moments like these



    As well as the routine us of blacks in republican fear tactics which just leaves a bad taste in people's mouths.
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    TroyAthlete saidLiberty and equality -- the bedrocks of this nation -- still matter to black folks.



    Yes, they proved that over and over again when voting for things like "gay marriage" in California and North Carolina icon_rolleyes.gif


    excellent point! perhaps we white people can rescind the right we gave them to vote... after all, it's not like we've been letting them do it for that long. clearly our forefathers didn't let them vote because they're incapable of voting and we white people always vote correctly and never do bigoted things.


    LeatheryJerkAZ is too stupid (and racist) to realize that most of the votes against gay marriage have come from white people. He's a clown. Nobody on this site takes him seriously.
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    DEKIRUMAN saidI honestly don't think that that pundits ever do a good job of characterizing the spirits of minority constituencies. The blacks are gonna vote for Obama, and the young people are gonna vote for Obama, just like they did last time. None of these shifts are dramatic enough to lose him any voters.


    Percentage wise? Yes. In absolute numbers? No. Obama won last time in part because the young voted, and the older voters stayed home. I think you'd have to admit that the enthusiasm for Obama is significantly less than last time unless you know something different than what all pollsters - internal to the Dems alike, are saying.


    The hype of Obama is less but the hype of Romney is even more pathetic. I seriously don't see any republicans jumping up and down for Romney, its more like "ohhh hey is our candidate, we don't like Obama. I'll vote for him and thats about it." If the republicans wanted fan fare like Obama had in 08 they should have jumped on the Ron Paul bandwagon.
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    TroyAthlete saidThe bigoted invective coming out of the Republican party will prevent black people from voting for GOPers, who do not respect equality for anyone save rich old men.



    There are increasingly more black people who are joining both the tea partiers and the GOP - and they are becoming increasingly represented amongst members of congress/those running for congress.

    That said, I'd agree there is a significant number of blacks who don't vote for Republicans period for any number of reasons. But these are the same people who are more likely to stay home because the Obama Administration has not furthered their cause.


    Anyone who thinks that any reasonable center-left voter of any color is not going to man the walls and run to polls for the President is kidding himself. We are not going to stand idly by and watch these nasty, negative, hate-mongering right wingers tear him down; more importantly, we recognize that the GOP has no solutions for this country. No one wants to return to the same failed policies of the past.

    The only "increasingly" associated with black tea partiers is that they -- like Herman Cain -- are increasingly irrelevant and increasingly considered a joke, even within the tea party itself. All three of them.