Unemployment is worse for Blacks under Obama Administration

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    Jun 05, 2012 4:33 PM GMT
    msuNtx said
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    msuNtx saidThe Economy will be bad regardless the President. Everyone seems to forget the economic downfall happened in 2008. Who was President then?? Doesn't seem to matter if its a republican or democrat in office.


    While it's true that the President - and the Federal government - can't spend a country to a good economy, they can put into place policies that will hinder and/or cripple an economy.

    That's what caused the 2008 crash and that's what has sabotaged what would have been an otherwise normal economic recovery.


    That is true, however the policies implemented only make minimal gains. it is up to Americans to solve this mess and can do it without politicians.
    Stop shipping American jobs overseas makes sense to me.


    I blame all the free trade agreements we have with countries whose standards of living aren't as high as ours here in the US. How can the American worker compete with workers in countries where wages are low and there are minimal environmental, labor, and health and safety laws and regulations? I'm no ivy league ecomomics genius but even I could see the handwriting on the wall. Of course companies are going to ship jobs and production overseas if they can import the products into the US without having to pay tariffs.

    Who is to blame? BOTH parties; BOTH backed tree trade agreements. The politicians in this country are in the back pockets of the major corporations. They have sold the American Dream for their own financial gain.

    As far as Americans solving this problem themselves without the government, I don't think that is possible. The government sets the business climate we have to work in.
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    Jun 05, 2012 4:47 PM GMT
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    DEKIRUMAN saidRepublicans spending money trying to get black voters is a huge waste of money.

    It will never happen


    I think many Democrats believe this to be the case and it's also why black voters are taken for granted.


    The democratic party is a hot mess, but the republican party is a hotter mess. I am not suggesting that black voters are completely satisfied with the democratic party, but there are no other viable options.

    Even when republican policies could benefit the black community, moments like these



    As well as the routine us of blacks in republican fear tactics which just leaves a bad taste in people's mouths.


    Which is why I think many black voters will just stay home.
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    Jun 05, 2012 4:47 PM GMT
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    LeatheryJerkAZ is too stupid (and racist) to realize that most of the votes against gay marriage have come from white people. He's a clown. Nobody on this site takes him seriously.



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    LeatheryJerkAZ is too stupid (and racist) to realize that most of the votes against gay marriage have come from white people. He's a clown. Nobody on this site takes him seriously.



    LOL! And thank you for removing any and all doubt as to why you went faceless for so long. Damn, go back into hiding, man...That shit's nasty! icon_eek.gif



    Ouch +1
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    Oh Shut it, just shut it with this absolute nonsense. President Obama's policies have harmed blacks? Are you really trying to make this argument, haha. Frankly, the sub prime mortgage crisis and the general economic crisis affects those that are at the lower rungs of society faster. Therefore, if you are less educated chances are you will lose your job first. Minorities were specifically targeted for the atrocious mortgages; therefore, they have very little leverage to stay afloat after the crisis. Anytime there is an economic downturn minorities are affected first, and women; women lost more jobs so if Clinton had been President we would have said she negatively affected women, nein. Finally, any attempt at economic recovery and actions that would improve the plight of minorities has been blocked aggressively by a Republican party that has made their number one priority making President Obama a one term President. So please save your breath or typing fingers, this economy and its lack of recovery is a testament to Republican hate of the President, so much so that they were willing to risk our credit rating in a bullshit charade of debt concern.
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    Jun 05, 2012 4:52 PM GMT
    Well as a black man I'm not shocked.I'm employed but know plenty who are not. I stop voting after the 1st bush term. Voting is a illusion of control to me. I don't care what color . I tlwho is president, senator, or any office.
    I think we need a new system a new government. America broke away from three british now the american people need to break away from this corrupt wasteful government....we need a new system. But american doesn't want to fight for anything they just cry and vote.
    We can only blame ourselves. They we let then do what ever want at are expense. So either severely punish all politicians or start a new system and throw them out!
    Now I know it sounds extreme but nothing was ever accomplished with pro testing it was just pacified.
    Let the hate began on this read...lol! Or contiue
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    Jun 05, 2012 4:53 PM GMT
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    calibro saidumm... what research are you looking at? the biggest jump in unemployment by percentage for african americans happened under the bush administration. it's been pretty much that same rate as when obama took office... which included the height of the recession.


    ummm... a jump that was made even worse under the Obama Administration - and where the margins widened versus other races under the Obama Administration.


    not to belabor the point... but the jump then went down... under the obama administration... which is to say it rose at the peak of the recession, then has continued to fall... the rate for african americans never returned their original levels under bush.

    so, again, please explain this:

    obama takes office with a record-level of african american unemployment (record for the recent time) in which the recession, which originates during the bush presidency, claims many jobs. the rate climbs and peaks under obama, but then drops to the level (roughly) of when he took office. so your point is they're suffering disproportionately because the previous administration made their unemployment skyrocket, then the current administration has been battling it to bring it down, which it has since the recession's peak, and this is obama's fault?


    The alternative view which I have pointed out is that the unemployment rate for blacks is higher than it was when Obama came to office, that the impact of the recession was worse for Blacks and to add to this, Obama has declared the recession officially over.

    What's worse as I point out is that the labor participation rate has been falling which probably means that that blacks are also disproportionately represented in those dropping out. Either way, it means that the unemployment rate would be higher if it weren't for the drop outs because of poor job opportunities. Further, I would suggest Obama's policies have meant that the rate hasn't fallen faster.
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    Jun 05, 2012 4:55 PM GMT
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    LeatheryJerkAZ is too stupid (and racist) to realize that most of the votes against gay marriage have come from white people. He's a clown. Nobody on this site takes him seriously.



    LOL! And thank you for removing any and all doubt as to why you went faceless for so long. Damn, go back into hiding, man...That shit's nasty! icon_eek.gif



    Ouch +1


    Ha, on my worst day I am better looking (and smarter) that that tired, sad, leathery, angry troll. No wonder he's just about pushing daises and alone. How many dudes and kids has he scared away with that alien face?

    LeatheryJerkAZ is the world's best advertisement for why one should use sunscreen, although it's too late for him now, and I doubt that he was goodlooking even before sun exposure took its tool, poor thing.
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    UndercoverMan saidI blame all the free trade agreements we have with countries whose standards of living aren't as high as ours here in the US. How can the American worker compete with workers in countries where wages are low and there are minimal environmental, labor, and health and safety laws and regulations? I'm no ivy league ecomomics genius but even I could see the handwriting on the wall. Of course companies are going to ship jobs and production overseas if they can import the products into the US without having to pay tariffs.

    Who is to blame? BOTH parties; BOTH backed tree trade agreements. The politicians in this country are in the back pockets of the major corporations. They have sold the American Dream for their own financial gain.

    As far as Americans solving this problem themselves without the government, I don't think that is possible. The government sets the business climate we have to work in.


    How can you blame free trade agreements? In fact with the growth in trade unemployment has actually gone down and GDP has risen - because companies specialize, new industries get created. Government does set the business climate but by placing an unnecessary burden on business through regulation and taxes it does become part of the problem.

    I'd agree though both parties are to blame.
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    Jun 05, 2012 5:01 PM GMT
    One big problem - entitlements and incentives as Robert Barro (ranked 4th most influential economist) notes:

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303918204577444222179044362.html

    Consider the expansion of social-safety-net programs, including food stamps, unemployment insurance, Medicaid (prospectively) and housing and mortgage programs. In a study published last month by the National Bureau of Economic Research, University of Chicago economist Casey Mulligan observed that, because these programs were means-tested (falling or ending as income rises), expanding them raised the effective marginal tax rate on labor income.

    Specifically, Mr. Mulligan estimates that the effective marginal tax rate for low-income households went from around 40% in 2007, before the recession started, to about 48% in 2009, at the start of the recovery. Thus, while these programs may be attractive from the standpoint of assisting poor families, they dilute incentives to work.

    To achieve a real recovery, government policy should focus on individual incentives to work, produce and invest. Central here are tax rates and regulations, including especially clarity about future policies. In a successful policy package, the government would get its fiscal house in order and make meaningful long-term reforms to entitlement programs and the tax structure.


    Which is to say that for every extra dollar you earn when you are in the poorest tax bracket, you lose 48% because of benefits you also lose... so the incentive to earn more falls.
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    Jun 05, 2012 5:12 PM GMT
    TroyAthlete said
    Ha, on my worst day I am better looking (and smarter) that that tired, sad, leathery, angry troll. No wonder he's just about pushing daises and alone. How many dudes and kids has he scared away with that alien face?

    LeatheryJerkAZ is the world's best advertisement for why one should use sunscreen, although it's too late for him now, and I doubt that he was goodlooking even before sun exposure took its tool, poor thing.




    Yes, I know TrojanLips, I mean look at me...54 going on 78. All those years of fun in the sun clearly took their evil toll on me. It's any wonder I can show my face in public. Clearly all those MOTD wins were sympathy votes. Don't be fooled by those pecs in my pics, those are really just saggy flesh being held up by invisible fish wire -- an optical illusion. LOL! One need really only quote JP when reading your usual ranting blather...

    JPtheBITCH saidThere is so much wishful thinking and delusional horseshit on this thread that I am not even going to bother.
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    Suecer saidSo please save your breath or typing fingers, this economy and its lack of recovery is a testament to Republican hate of the President, so much so that they were willing to risk our credit rating in a bullshit charade of debt concern.


    One thing you can be sure of regardless of the issue: the Republican Party is the party of hate. Their anti-gay, anti-jobs nominee, Mitt Scissorhands, reflects the hatred of Republicans as a whole.
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    Jun 05, 2012 5:18 PM GMT
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    Ha, on my worst day I am better looking (and smarter) that that tired, sad, leathery, angry troll. No wonder he's just about pushing daises and alone. How many dudes and kids has he scared away with that alien face?

    LeatheryJerkAZ is the world's best advertisement for why one should use sunscreen, although it's too late for him now, and I doubt that he was goodlooking even before sun exposure took its tool, poor thing.




    Yes, I know TrojanLips, I mean look at me...54 going on 78. All those years of fun in the sun clearly took their evil toll on me. It's any wonder I can show my face in public. Clearly all those MOTD wins were sympathy votes. Don't be fooled by those pecs in my pics, those are really just saggy flesh being held up by invisible fish wire -- an optical illusion. LOL! One need really only quote JP when reading your usual ranting blather...

    JPtheBITCH saidThere is so much wishful thinking and delusional horseshit on this thread that I am not even going to bother.



    This might be a good time for the TrojanAthlete to stop embarrassing himself because he ain't winning no beauty contests.

    Back to topic. I don't blame Obama for the unemployment situation. The man can only do so much. AA's have always been disproportionately unemployed, no? Obviously they would be harder hit by a recession, no?
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    Jun 05, 2012 5:25 PM GMT
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    I'd agree though both parties are to blame.



    Absolutely! The blame game is utterly ridiculous because there is plenty of blame to go around. History will likely show what many experts have already said --- that being that this past recession was decades and several administrations in the making, and that the American people, as well as our economy --- and how it is effected by the larger world economy --- are also largely to blame.
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    Jun 05, 2012 5:25 PM GMT
    Unemployment has been worse for blacks since Abraham Lincoln was president. icon_eek.gif



    Oh, no! Tell me he didn't just go there! icon_mad.gif



    Bitch, he sure did. icon_evil.gif




    And just so I beat the rest of you to it: icon_wink.gif



    THAT'S RACIST!


    But you laughed! Admit it. You did. icon_lol.gif
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    Jun 05, 2012 5:29 PM GMT
    msuNtx saidThe Economy will be bad regardless the President. Everyone seems to forget the economic downfall happened in 2008. Who was President then?? Doesn't seem to matter if its a republican or democrat in office.



    This guy TOTALLY GETS IT!
    We seem to blame EVERYTHING on OBAMA, forgetting that it took Bush 8 years of decision making to aid in the downfall of the economy. Gas prices were and have been higher than ever, unemployment has been the WORST since.......
    BUT even then we can just blame the President...Everyone has a choice and a mind of their own as well. I work with so many people who have graduated and STILL DONT HAVE JOBS! This isn't because of race, or because of whose in office! Obama hasn't stopped anyone from getting a degree, and he hasn't hindered anyone from finding work.
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    Jun 05, 2012 5:30 PM GMT
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    I'd agree though both parties are to blame.



    Absolutely! The blame game is utterly ridiculous because there is plenty of blame to go around. History will likely show what many experts have already said --- that being that this past recession was decades and several administrations in the making, and that the American people, as well as our economy --- and how it is effected by the larger world economy --- are also largely to blame.


    AGREED!
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    Jun 05, 2012 5:33 PM GMT
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    Ha, on my worst day I am better looking (and smarter) that that tired, sad, leathery, angry troll. No wonder he's just about pushing daises and alone. How many dudes and kids has he scared away with that alien face?

    LeatheryJerkAZ is the world's best advertisement for why one should use sunscreen, although it's too late for him now, and I doubt that he was goodlooking even before sun exposure took its tool, poor thing.




    Yes, I know TrojanLips, I mean look at me...54 going on 78. All those years of fun in the sun clearly took their evil toll on me. It's any wonder I can show my face in public. Clearly all those MOTD wins were sympathy votes. Don't be fooled by those pecs in my pics, those are really just saggy flesh being held up by invisible fish wire -- an optical illusion. LOL! One need really only quote JP when reading your usual ranting blather...

    JPtheBITCH saidThere is so much wishful thinking and delusional horseshit on this thread that I am not even going to bother.



    This might be a good time for the TrojanAthlete to stop embarrassing himself because he ain't winning no beauty contests.



    Right, because we all know you and LeatheryJerk are America's Next Top Model.

    Beauty begins within. You are probably just as hideous inside and out as LeatheryJerkAZ. I don't have any problem finding and dating goodlooking guys, why is that? Birds of a feather flock together. No wonder you've taken LeatheryJerk's side: I'd put my looks AND brains up against yours and his six days a week and twice on Sunday.

    I get my validation from comments and relationships with and from real people. LeatheryJerk -- racist, tired, alone, pockmarked freckled manboobs (which he confuses with pecs, haha) and all -- gets his from "votes" from sympathizing strangers online. That is so sad.

    LeatheryJerk will die ugly, angry, and alone. He and his galloping bigotry are the laughingstock of RealJock. His delusions are well-known among his friends and his enemies alike. And he thinks he is goodlooking enough to question someone ELSE's looks?

    Hahahahahahahahahaha. Talk about chutzpah. NOBODY wants you LeatheryJerk. And nobody besides your fellow right-wing racists and sock account faceless trolls takes you seriously.

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    Jun 05, 2012 5:47 PM GMT
    You have to give the NAACP and a lot of other African-American religious and/or political groups credit. They didn't fall into a Focus On The Family-style hysteria over Obama's siding with they gays. Instead, they balanced out their faith reservations with their civic principles and decided that enshrining discrimination into state and federal constitutions was just indefensible.

    African Americans are also more likely to work in local government, and since the GOP has decided that government jobs aren't real jobs, we've shed them at a higher rate than in the private sector, without nary a care for the real people who relied on them.
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    Jun 05, 2012 6:02 PM GMT
    TroyAthlete said
    Madhatter2009 said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    TroyAthlete said
    Ha, on my worst day I am better looking (and smarter) that that tired, sad, leathery, angry troll. No wonder he's just about pushing daises and alone. How many dudes and kids has he scared away with that alien face?

    LeatheryJerkAZ is the world's best advertisement for why one should use sunscreen, although it's too late for him now, and I doubt that he was goodlooking even before sun exposure took its tool, poor thing.




    Yes, I know TrojanLips, I mean look at me...54 going on 78. All those years of fun in the sun clearly took their evil toll on me. It's any wonder I can show my face in public. Clearly all those MOTD wins were sympathy votes. Don't be fooled by those pecs in my pics, those are really just saggy flesh being held up by invisible fish wire -- an optical illusion. LOL! One need really only quote JP when reading your usual ranting blather...

    JPtheBITCH saidThere is so much wishful thinking and delusional horseshit on this thread that I am not even going to bother.



    This might be a good time for the TrojanAthlete to stop embarrassing himself because he ain't winning no beauty contests.



    Right, because we all know you and LeatheryJerk are America's Next Top Model.

    Beauty begins within. You are probably just as hideous inside and out as LeatheryJerkAZ. I don't have any problem finding and dating goodlooking guys, why is that? Birds of a feather flock together. No wonder you've taken LeatheryJerk's side: I'd put my looks AND brains up against yours and his six days a week and twice on Sunday.

    I get my validation from comments and relationships with and from real people. LeatheryJerk -- racist, tired, alone, pockmarked freckled manboobs (which he confuses with pecs, haha) and all -- gets his from "votes" from sympathizing strangers online. That is so sad.

    LeatheryJerk will die ugly, angry, and alone. He and his galloping bigotry are the laughingstock of RealJock. His delusions are well-known among his friends and his enemies alike. And he thinks he is goodlooking enough to question someone ELSE's looks?

    Hahahahahahahahahaha. Talk about chutzpah. NOBODY wants you LeatheryJerk. And nobody besides your fellow right-wing racists and sock account faceless trolls takes you seriously.



    I find it hilarious that you talk about beauty beginning on the inside, yet show just how ugly you really are with all that hate.

    I feel very sorry for anyone who knows you in real life, they must have no sense of self worth.
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    UndercoverMan saidI blame all the free trade agreements we have with countries whose standards of living aren't as high as ours here in the US. How can the American worker compete with workers in countries where wages are low and there are minimal environmental, labor, and health and safety laws and regulations? I'm no ivy league ecomomics genius but even I could see the handwriting on the wall. Of course companies are going to ship jobs and production overseas if they can import the products into the US without having to pay tariffs.

    Who is to blame? BOTH parties; BOTH backed tree trade agreements. The politicians in this country are in the back pockets of the major corporations. They have sold the American Dream for their own financial gain.

    As far as Americans solving this problem themselves without the government, I don't think that is possible. The government sets the business climate we have to work in.


    How can you blame free trade agreements? In fact with the growth in trade unemployment has actually gone down and GDP has risen - because companies specialize, new industries get created. Government does set the business climate but by placing an unnecessary burden on business through regulation and taxes it does become part of the problem.

    I'd agree though both parties are to blame.


    How can I blame free trade agreements? I think I did. But I'll repeat for you: Low production cost = higher profits. Move your manufacturing to the third world for lower production cost and sell in first world without import tariffs for higher profits. Jobs move overseas; Americans lose their jobs.

    I'd like you to explain to the unemployed factory workers in America's rust belt how FTAs have made their lives better. And if the government didn't realize the effect FTAs would have on unemployment, why did it set up retraining programs for those unemployed by the FTAs set up to benefit their corporated fat cat campaign donors.
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    Jun 05, 2012 6:16 PM GMT
    If people actually look at the facts of the Obama administration, they will find that it has been much better than his predecessor(s). In addition to that the so called "most radical president ever" has been pretty conservative in his voting and in his actions -see the disappointment of the hard left- and the number of deportations of illegals under his administration. If we look what is going on in Europe, China and Russia, I think that this looks more like the tripping of capitalism if not the first stages of its end. At least in the form that it has taken on in the last few years.
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    UndercoverMan saidHow can I blame free trade agreements? I think I did. But I'll repeat for you: Low production cost = higher profits. Move your manufacturing to the third world for lower production cost and sell in first world without import tariffs for higher profits. Jobs move overseas; Americans lose their jobs.

    I'd like you to explain to the unemployed factory workers in America's rust belt how FTAs have made their lives better. And if the government didn't realize the effect FTAs would have on unemployment, why did it set up retraining programs for those unemployed by the FTAs set up to benefit their corporated fat cat campaign donors.


    That's the simplistic view of it - but look at long term automation as well - these jobs weren't going to exist anyway - and at the same time the US continues to manufacture more than ever. This is about productivity - not about costs.

    The best example for instance is Apple - where Apple makes north of 50% in profits for every product they sell, their contract manufacturers in Asia might make 5%. This is low cost, low value labor - but at the same time over the last 10-20 years we have seen salaries in areas like software development sore despite programmers in India and outsourcing there.

    No, trade forces greater specialization and greater advances in technology. It's a good thing trade and technology has made some industries redundant because it has allowed for the growth of others. (Incidentally, to give you an idea of American ingenuity - look at SpaceX where the Chinese have said they cannot even come close to competing with SpaceX's overall cost of launch.)
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    Elusium saidYou have to give the NAACP and a lot of other African-American religious and/or political groups credit. They didn't fall into a Focus On The Family-style hysteria over Obama's siding with they gays. Instead, they balanced out their faith reservations with their civic principles and decided that enshrining discrimination into state and federal constitutions was just indefensible.


    Republicans are apoplectic that their divide-and-conquer 'pit the Negroes against the fags' hate strategy failed miserably.

    Like I said above -- now that push came to shove black and Obama came out on the side of gay couple, black people are deciding that freedom and equality still matter. Right-wing Republicans do not like that at all.
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    calibro saidumm... what research are you looking at? the biggest jump in unemployment by percentage for african americans happened under the bush administration. it's been pretty much that same rate as when obama took office... which included the height of the recession.


    ummm... a jump that was made even worse under the Obama Administration - and where the margins widened versus other races under the Obama Administration.


    not to belabor the point... but the jump then went down... under the obama administration... which is to say it rose at the peak of the recession, then has continued to fall... the rate for african americans never returned their original levels under bush.

    so, again, please explain this:

    obama takes office with a record-level of african american unemployment (record for the recent time) in which the recession, which originates during the bush presidency, claims many jobs. the rate climbs and peaks under obama, but then drops to the level (roughly) of when he took office. so your point is they're suffering disproportionately because the previous administration made their unemployment skyrocket, then the current administration has been battling it to bring it down, which it has since the recession's peak, and this is obama's fault?


    The alternative view which I have pointed out is that the unemployment rate for blacks is higher than it was when Obama came to office, that the impact of the recession was worse for Blacks and to add to this, Obama has declared the recession officially over.

    What's worse as I point out is that the labor participation rate has been falling which probably means that that blacks are also disproportionately represented in those dropping out. Either way, it means that the unemployment rate would be higher if it weren't for the drop outs because of poor job opportunities. Further, I would suggest Obama's policies have meant that the rate hasn't fallen faster.


    again, the current unemployment rate for african americans is about the same as when he took office. and stop talking about probably because that isn't true. we're not looking to the labor participation rate for information about african american employment because you can't make any positive conclusions from it. zero. zilch. it's not how the methodology of that statistic works.

    further, the recession was declared ended by the economic definition of a recession, not because the president magically decided it was. it peaked under him, which is why unemployment spiked under him... and it has since been dropping. if anything, african americans suffered most in terms of hiked unemployment under bush's second term.

    i have no idea where you base anything off. all the statistics i post seem to counter your assertions and you keep on shifting points or drawing erroneous or spurious claims.

    so for the last time:

    1. in terms of unemployment, up to today, blacks have had a basically unchanged percentage in unemployment since obama took office, and the significant rise and fall of the rate in between is do to the recession peaking and the slow recovery from it.

    2. statistically, the worse setback to african american employment occurred before he took office.

    3. the labor participation rate has no direct correlation to african american unemployment and any assertions drawn from it in regards to that point cannot be proven.

    if you disagree with any of this, please see the charts provide by the bureau of labor and statistics.