The RJ Repubs - Have They Gone Nuts?

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    Jun 08, 2012 9:11 PM GMT
    smartmoney said
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    jock_1 saidThis was the biggest election in the history of my state. I am so proud of my fellow Wisconsinites for making such a couragous decision to stick with a great Gov. We didnt win the lottery tonight, the nation did !!!


    And how do you benefit from this?

    More tolerance toward you being gay? Hell no.


    You forget gay republicans are, by definition, unscrupulous people. They do not really give a shit about being gay or about preserving or improving the rights of other gay people.

    You know, if you define republican as Jim DeMInt republican, then yes, but that would be like trying to define democrats as those tax and spend liberals who can't wait to reward their union boyfriends with big contracts for no show jobs.
    Come now.
    Many people, I am sure, became republicans because they believe that smaller government is a good idea, that people should keep more of the money they earn and send less of it to Washington. Many republicans, gay or straight, believe that all individuals should be treated equally.
    There are radical and embarrassing elements to both parties. To try and tar everyone with the radial aspects of either party is immature and irresponsible.


    I do not believe all republicans are bad people. I am sure many Republican voters are decent, upstanding citizens. I am also happy to concede there are Republican policies which have merit.

    One cannot escape the fact, however, that Republican policies are generally not supportive of gay people and gay rights. For example, how many republicans in Congress voted for the repeal of DADT? In another thread on this site, we have a young gay man celebrating the fact he has just passed basic training in the USN. If the Republican Party had had its way, he would still be skulking in the shadows, having to hide the fact he was a gay man serving in the USN.

    It is a question of dignity and how much one values equal rights for gay people. However you cut it, being a gay Republican is just unscrupulous.
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    Jun 08, 2012 9:44 PM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 said
    smartmoney said
    Ex_Mil8 said
    wrestlervic said
    jock_1 saidThis was the biggest election in the history of my state. I am so proud of my fellow Wisconsinites for making such a couragous decision to stick with a great Gov. We didnt win the lottery tonight, the nation did !!!


    And how do you benefit from this?

    More tolerance toward you being gay? Hell no.


    You forget gay republicans are, by definition, unscrupulous people. They do not really give a shit about being gay or about preserving or improving the rights of other gay people.

    You know, if you define republican as Jim DeMInt republican, then yes, but that would be like trying to define democrats as those tax and spend liberals who can't wait to reward their union boyfriends with big contracts for no show jobs.
    Come now.
    Many people, I am sure, became republicans because they believe that smaller government is a good idea, that people should keep more of the money they earn and send less of it to Washington. Many republicans, gay or straight, believe that all individuals should be treated equally.
    There are radical and embarrassing elements to both parties. To try and tar everyone with the radial aspects of either party is immature and irresponsible.


    I do not believe all republicans are bad people. I am sure many Republican voters are decent, upstanding citizens. I am also happy to concede there are some Republican policies which have merit.

    One cannot escape the fact, however, that Republican policies are generally not supportive of gay people and gay rights. For example, how many republicans in Congress voted for the repeal of DADT? In another thread on this site, we have a young gay man celebrating the fact he has just passed basic training in the USN. If the Republican Party had had its way, he would still be skulking in the shadows, having to hide the fact he was a gay man serving in the USN.

    It is a question of dignity and how much one values equal rights for gay people. However you cut it, being a gay Republican is just unscrupulous.




    LOL
    The big problem with smartmoney's comment is the part about Repubs believing that "small government is a good idea".
    Haha!

    Who gives a shit whether Repubs BELIEVE "small government is a good idea".
    The fact is that their RECORD shows that all of the recent Repub presidents have been BIG GOVERNMENT budget-busting and grossly fiscally irresponsible.
    They've enlarged the government not made it smaller - and they've added TRILLIONS more to the National Debt than Democratic presidents.

    This meme about Repubs believing in small government is bullshit.
    The Repubs haven't reduced the size of the government when they've been in the White House - they've ENLARGED IT.
    And the president with the worst record for growing the government on his watch is Repub Ronald Reagan.

    http://www.politicususa.com/big-government-obama-reagan.html

    http://www.businessinsider.com/one-more-must-see-chart-on-government-spending-under-obama-and-reagan-2012-1

    Don't believe the bullshit right-wing talking points lies.
    The Repubs talk a lot about "small government" but their record is one of "deficits don't matter" BIG GOVERNMENT.
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    Jun 08, 2012 9:51 PM GMT
    TropicalMark said
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    jock_1 said We didnt win the lottery tonight, the nation did !!!


    You didnt win the lottery but the Democrats won control of the state senate!


    The senate is out of session for the rest of the year. The victory is symbolic at best. Elections in November could place control back into Repub hands.
    Therein lies the entire destruction of this republic..

    Democracy isnt about 'control'. Fascism is. Fascism's goal to promote the rule of people deemed innately superior while seeking to purge society of people deemed innately inferior is a prominent far-right stance.

    Fascism promotes political violence and war, as forms of direct action that create national regeneration, spirit and vitality.

    WTF! You're off your rocker. The use of "control" was perfectly valid.
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    Jun 08, 2012 9:55 PM GMT
    Caslon19000 said
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    DalTX said
    jock_1 said We didnt win the lottery tonight, the nation did !!!


    You didnt win the lottery but the Democrats won control of the state senate!


    The senate is out of session for the rest of the year. The victory is symbolic at best. Elections in November could place control back into Repub hands.
    Therein lies the entire destruction of this republic..

    Democracy isnt about 'control'. Fascism is. Fascism's goal to promote the rule of people deemed innately superior while seeking to purge society of people deemed innately inferior is a prominent far-right stance.

    Fascism promotes political violence and war, as forms of direct action that create national regeneration, spirit and vitality.

    WTF! You're off your rocker. The use of "control" was perfectly valid.
    READ what I said again. Good gawd.icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jun 08, 2012 10:16 PM GMT
    RickRick91 saidThe Repubs talk a lot about "small government" but their record is one of "deficits don't matter" BIG GOVERNMENT.


    Yes, well they are all for 'small government', until it comes to moralizing about and interfering in the private lives of certain sections of American society.
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    Jun 08, 2012 10:19 PM GMT
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    RickRick91 saidThe Repubs talk a lot about "small government" but their record is one of "deficits don't matter" BIG GOVERNMENT.


    Yes, well they are all for 'small government', until it comes to moralizing about and interfering in the private lives of certain sections of American society.



    They're all for "small government" as an empty slogan - but they haven't actually governed that way for decades.
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    Jun 08, 2012 10:35 PM GMT
    TropicalMark said
    Caslon19000 said
    TropicalMark said
    rkyjockdn said
    DalTX said
    jock_1 said We didnt win the lottery tonight, the nation did !!!


    You didnt win the lottery but the Democrats won control of the state senate!


    The senate is out of session for the rest of the year. The victory is symbolic at best. Elections in November could place control back into Repub hands.
    Therein lies the entire destruction of this republic..

    Democracy isnt about 'control'. Fascism is. Fascism's goal to promote the rule of people deemed innately superior while seeking to purge society of people deemed innately inferior is a prominent far-right stance.

    Fascism promotes political violence and war, as forms of direct action that create national regeneration, spirit and vitality.

    WTF! You're off your rocker. The use of "control" was perfectly valid.
    READ what I said again. Good gawd.icon_rolleyes.gif

    I read it the first time.
  • GQjock

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    Jun 08, 2012 10:49 PM GMT
    In Fact, Federal Data Show Wisconsin Lost Jobs Under Walker

    BLS: Nearly 13,000 Jobs Lost In Wisconsin Since January 2011. Data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics show that since Walker became governor in January 2011, Wisconsin has lost 12,800 jobs, as of April:


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    [Bureau of Labor Statistics, accessed 6/4/12]

    Journal Sentinel: Wisconsin's Job Numbers During Walker's First 13 Months In Office Was The "Worst Among The 50 States." In March, the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel compared job gains and losses among all 50 states between December 2010 and January 2011 and found Wisconsin's performance under Walker to be the "worst among the 50 states":

    In Gov. Walker's first 13 months (using December 2010 as the baseline), the state lost 8,500 non-farm jobs. That was worst among the 50 states. Only four other states experienced a net decrease in that time. The chart below shows where other Midwestern states rank and shows the top state for job growth, Texas:

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    Jun 08, 2012 10:57 PM GMT
    Caslon19000 said
    TropicalMark said
    Caslon19000 said
    TropicalMark said
    rkyjockdn said
    DalTX said
    jock_1 said We didnt win the lottery tonight, the nation did !!!


    You didnt win the lottery but the Democrats won control of the state senate!


    The senate is out of session for the rest of the year. The victory is symbolic at best. Elections in November could place control back into Repub hands.
    Therein lies the entire destruction of this republic..

    Democracy isnt about 'control'. Fascism is. Fascism's goal to promote the rule of people deemed innately superior while seeking to purge society of people deemed innately inferior is a prominent far-right stance.

    Fascism promotes political violence and war, as forms of direct action that create national regeneration, spirit and vitality.

    WTF! You're off your rocker. The use of "control" was perfectly valid.
    READ what I said again. Good gawd.icon_rolleyes.gif

    I read it the first time.
    well apparently you couldnt understand that it was not a partisan statement.icon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gif
  • conservativej...

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    Jun 08, 2012 10:59 PM GMT
    Wisconsinites did what they wanted to do. That is the success. They did not cow down to liberals like the bunch here on RJ.

    Congrats jock_1 for a job well done.
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    Jun 08, 2012 11:00 PM GMT
    Not surprisingly, GQjock, you used skewed statistics to try and make Walker look bad. However, since you're the one that loves the term "reality check", the cold hard reality is that the people of Wisconsin are clearly pleased with their Governor. He got elected the first time, and by an even bigger margin the second time. The results pretty much speak for themselves. The United States Department of Labor's Bureau of Labor Statistics are as follows:

    http://www.bls.gov/web/laus/laumstrk.htm
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    Jun 08, 2012 11:12 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidNot surprisingly, GQjock, you used skewed statistics to try and make Walker look bad. However, since you're the one that loves the term "reality check", the cold hard reality is that the people of Wisconsin are clearly pleased with their Governor. He got elected the first time, and by an even bigger margin the second time. The results pretty much speak for themselves. The United States Department of Labor's Bureau of Labor Statistics are as follows:

    http://www.bls.gov/web/laus/laumstrk.htm


    Not surprisingly you cannot read a graph
    Those graphs from the Division of Labor Statistics show what the unemployment rate HAS been Since Scott Walker Has been Governor

    But you know what ... Wisconsin bought themselves more of the same
    and he cost A WHOLE LOT icon_wink.gif
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    Jun 09, 2012 12:13 AM GMT
    OMG what a pisser, once again the left overlook their very own obsessions, and sins. Thanks for the laugh with ones morning Coffee.
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    Jun 09, 2012 3:55 AM GMT
    Walker has a Koch in his pocket...that's all I need to know, to understand the man is corrupt and will do anything to get "ahead", even if it means screwing over his fellow Americans.

    This country is on 10,000 ft free-fall path towards solid concrete ground, yet all we fucking hear about is "republicans this" and "democrats that"

    There's a lot of finger pointing amongst y'all and not enough compromise and solutions.
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    Jun 09, 2012 4:20 AM GMT
    [quote][cite]ConfederateGhost said[/cite]Walker has a Koch in his pocket...that's all I need to know, to understand the man is corrupt and will do anything to get "ahead", even if it means screwing over his fellow Americans.




    LOL
    Scott StreetWalker takes Koch in more than just his pocket.

    His rich benefactors spent 30 million keeping StreetWalker in the Governor's mansion.
    Now they expect StreetWalker to put out and do their bidding.

    We'll be watching and keeping track of StreetWalker's every TRICK.
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    Jun 09, 2012 4:25 AM GMT
    ConfederateGhost saidThis country is on 10,000 ft free-fall path towards solid concrete ground, yet all we fucking hear about is "republicans this" and "democrats that"

    There's a lot of finger pointing amongst y'all and not enough compromise and solutions.


    ▲This.
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    Jun 09, 2012 4:37 AM GMT
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    ConfederateGhost saidThis country is on 10,000 ft free-fall path towards solid concrete ground, yet all we fucking hear about is "republicans this" and "democrats that"

    There's a lot of finger pointing amongst y'all and not enough compromise and solutions.


    ▲This.






    Nope.

    It's not up to us RJ members to reach "compromise" and find "solutions" to the problems that face our country.
    It's up to our elected representatives to do that.
    It's THEIR JOB.

    Given the fact that they've failed to do that (as we can all agree) - its totally appropriate to point fingers at the jackasses in Congress who have failed to reach compromises or find solutions.

    And FYI - bitching about "finger pointing" is in itself just more "finger pointing".
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    Jun 09, 2012 4:47 AM GMT
    The few lines you just wrote expose to the rest of us who are unbiased, that you've no true concern with helping our country. If you don't believe compromise and solutions start on the basic level...on a community level, then all you are doing is furthering the rift. How can we expect our representatives to do what we are not willing to do ourselves?

    If we don't learn now to meet in the middle, there won't be a middle to meet at.



    RickRick91 said
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    ConfederateGhost saidThis country is on 10,000 ft free-fall path towards solid concrete ground, yet all we fucking hear about is "republicans this" and "democrats that"

    There's a lot of finger pointing amongst y'all and not enough compromise and solutions.


    ▲This.






    Nope.

    It's not up to us RJ members to reach "compromise" and find "solutions" to the problems that face our country.
    It's up to our elected representatives to do that.
    It's THEIR JOB.

    Given the fact that they've failed to do that (as we can all agree) - its totally appropriate to point fingers at the jackasses in Congress who have failed to reach compromises or find solutions.

    And FYI - bitching about "finger pointing" is in itself just more "finger pointing".
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    Jun 09, 2012 4:58 AM GMT
    What CG said.

    Seeking balance (or being moderate) should not be mistaken for tepidity or a compromise unto useless mediocrity.

    Rather, it should be a measured and critical response to accumulate the greatest good with the least expense.

    At a community level growing up to the Federal level.

    I'm convinced that most of the GOP / Democratic Party "divide" is as deep as some of the Lady Gaga/Madonna threads as far as the actual Senators and Congresspersons go - and that they likely have more than a few laugh at us rubes who are more than happy to roll about in the mud of what passes for intelligent political discourse (Fox News/MSNBC)

    That is to say, both parties are two heads on the same mutated bird which the many of the Founding Fathers had something of an aversion to - party politics.
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    Jun 09, 2012 5:00 AM GMT
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    AlphaTrigger said
    ConfederateGhost saidThis country is on 10,000 ft free-fall path towards solid concrete ground, yet all we fucking hear about is "republicans this" and "democrats that"

    There's a lot of finger pointing amongst y'all and not enough compromise and solutions.


    ▲This.






    Nope.

    It's not up to us RJ members to reach "compromise" and find "solutions" to the problems that face our country.
    It's up to our elected representatives to do that.
    It's THEIR JOB.

    Given the fact that they've failed to do that (as we can all agree) - its totally appropriate to point fingers at the jackasses in Congress who have failed to reach compromises or find solutions.

    And FYI - bitching about "finger pointing" is in itself just more "finger pointing".


    cite]ConfederateGhost said[/cite]The few lines you just wrote expose to the rest of us who are unbiased, that you've no true concern with helping our country. If you don't believe compromise and solutions start on the basic level...on a community level, then all you are doing is furthering the rift. How can we expect our representatives to do what we are not willing to do ourselves?

    If we don't learn now to meet in the middle, there won't be a middle to meet at

    >[/quote]


    I think it's already too late in that we've started our descent into UNcivil war and breakup of the United States for much the same reason as the behavior we see here on a daily basis.
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    Jun 09, 2012 5:08 AM GMT
    @Freedomisntfree - It's that mentality that is destroying the middle ground. You already believe we're done for, which means you've chosen a side. In having chosen a side, you've eliminated the possibility of compromise. In your head, compromise is defeat/loss.

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    Jun 09, 2012 5:15 AM GMT
    ConfederateGhost said@Freedomisntfree - It's that mentality that is destroying the middle ground. You already believe we're done for, which means you've chosen a side. In having chosen a side, you've eliminated the possibility of compromise. In your head, compromise is defeat/loss.



    Correct. I've choosen a side. We can no longer compromise.
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    Jun 09, 2012 5:20 AM GMT
    Yes, I know. I've read many of your posts, and looked into many of your stances. I know what side you are on, and I know compromise has floated higher than you'll reach.

    freedomisntfree said
    ConfederateGhost said@Freedomisntfree - It's that mentality that is destroying the middle ground. You already believe we're done for, which means you've chosen a side. In having chosen a side, you've eliminated the possibility of compromise. In your head, compromise is defeat/loss.



    Correct. I've choosen a side. We can no longer compromise.
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    Jun 09, 2012 5:30 AM GMT
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    freedomisntfree said
    ConfederateGhost said@Freedomisntfree - It's that mentality that is destroying the middle ground. You already believe we're done for, which means you've chosen a side. In having chosen a side, you've eliminated the possibility of compromise. In your head, compromise is defeat/loss.



    Correct. I've choosen a side. We can no longer compromise.


    [quote][cite]ConfederateGhost said[/cite]Yes, I know. I've read many of your posts, and looked into many of your stances. I know what side you are on, and I know compromise has floated higher than you'll reach.


    Done. Finished. It's over. Time for uncivil war.
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    Jun 09, 2012 5:36 AM GMT
    ConfederateGhost saidThe few lines you just wrote expose to the rest of us who are unbiased, that you've no true concern with helping our country. If you don't believe compromise and solutions start on the basic level...on a community level, then all you are doing is furthering the rift. How can we expect our representatives to do what we are not willing to do ourselves?

    If we don't learn now to meet in the middle, there won't be a middle to meet at.



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    ConfederateGhost saidThis country is on 10,000 ft free-fall path towards solid concrete ground, yet all we fucking hear about is "republicans this" and "democrats that"

    There's a lot of finger pointing amongst y'all and not enough compromise and solutions.


    ▲This.






    Nope.

    It's not up to us RJ members to reach "compromise" and find "solutions" to the problems that face our country.
    It's up to our elected representatives to do that.
    It's THEIR JOB.

    Given the fact that they've failed to do that (as we can all agree) - its totally appropriate to point fingers at the jackasses in Congress who have failed to reach compromises or find solutions.

    And FYI - bitching about "finger pointing" is in itself just more "finger pointing".






    You entirely misunderstand my point.
    I'm not saying that at a community level we shouldn't compromise.
    We're not talking about that.
    We're talking about posting comments on the blogs here - and you objected to the "finger pointing".

    My point is that we don't have the power to solve the problems our country faces - our representatives in power do.
    When they fail to do that we have the responsibility to hold them accountable. (AKA - point fingers)
    By doing that we show that we're "concerned with helping our country".

    Criticizing the two political parties on these blog threads is about holding our representatives accountable.
    And FYI I give credit to the Repubs who post on the blog threads here for caring about our country - even if I disagree with the substance of their posts.
    Unlike you I would never question anyone's concern for our country.
    (That's below the belt BTW).

    The fact is that when it comes to pointing fingers - Independents are the most guilty if you think about it.
    Dems only (mostly) blame Repubs.
    Repubs only (mostly) blame Dems.
    But Indys blame BOTH parties.
    That's twice the "finger pointing"!
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