Jul 27, 2008 7:06 PM GMT
A group of cyclists protesting their right to the road ended up assaulting a driver after an argument.
mindgarden saidThat has happened at least twice a week, all summer, mostly in Portland. Mostly set off by yahoos doing stupid things on bikes, but really there's no excuse for either party.
In chat the other day, one guy was explaining how traffic rules don't apply to cyclists because the purpose of traffic regulations is to punish SUV drivers for being bad people.
KentuckyTuss said I'm one of the guys that believes bikes should stay off the road....
The average bicycle speed is about 20mpg give or take. The city speed limit here is 35mph, which means people drive 40MPH.. DOUBLE that of a bicyclist.
I ride my bike to work pretty regular, so I know from experience that it's not that difficult to ride on a sidewalk.
metlboy saidBut average walking speed is about 4mph, so a cyclist on the sidewalk is going 5 times as fast as a pedestrian. If we're going to sort traffic by speed, we're going to need a lot more lanes.
KentuckyTuss saidmetlboy saidBut average walking speed is about 4mph, so a cyclist on the sidewalk is going 5 times as fast as a pedestrian. If we're going to sort traffic by speed, we're going to need a lot more lanes.
It's physics, guy. Think about it. A cyclist having a collision with a pedestrian is what? Around 250lbs hitting 175lbs? Even traveling at five times the speed it ends in a scraped knee, maybe a few bruises, and on rare occasion a broken bone. At the core of it, because of the speeds they are traveling, a bike rider has WAY more reaction time to avoid a pedestrian. And visa versa.
A car/truck/SUV having a collision with a cyclist is.. 2000lbs or more, hitting 250lbs? Usually results in broken bones, or serious injury, very possibly death. (hopefully wearing a helmet and traveling at low speeds that won't happen)
It's just common sense that it's safer for the cyclist to ride on the sidewalks. I'm not making this argument because I'm an asshole driver that doesn't feel like sharing the road. I ride my bike A LOT (to save gas mostly) and even with the 'dangers' like people pulling out of driveways, or getting hooked at intersections, I know that in reality if I just pay attention to my surroundings that I can SAFELY, and EASILY avoid a large majority of dangers.
"Be granted all the rights and be subject to all the duties" applicable to drivers of any vehicle. A bicycle is a vehicle, not a toy, and, as such, must obey the traffic rules and regulations pertaining to all highway users. Motorists should regard bicyclists as they would any other vehicle."
Your argument that bicycles should be allowed on sidewalks is basically that cars should be allowed to plow down pedestrians on sidewalks. In fact, the laws in Kentucky are *not* to ride a bike on a sidewalk. It is to ride on the right side of the road in the same direction as traffic.
I think advocating breaking the law is a bad idea for any serious cyclist.
Then the next time I see a cyclist use a crosswalk to bypass a red light, I'm calling the cops.
And maybe the state should make you guys pay vehicle protection rates for BICYCLE insurance? No?
Besides, the majority of bike riders are 15 year olds on a mongoose. Not triathlon contestants out for training.
MY VIEW ON THIS SITUATION REFLECTS THAT. So untie the knot in your panties.
I know what the law is. But guess what? In Tennessee it's illegal to shoot a whale from the window of a moving vehicle. Some laws.. are retarded. And I for one have a brain, and can figure out which ones I should, and should not, follow in regards to my safety.