Israeli Defense Forces Posts Photo of Gay Soldiers Holding Hands to Official Facebook Page

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    Jun 13, 2012 7:41 AM GMT
    Firebrand saidAnother reason why Israel > Palestine


    Another reason why Palestine > Israel

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    Palestinian men are braver than Israeli soldiers. He is not afraid of that machine gun.
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    Jun 13, 2012 7:43 AM GMT
    thadjock said, "there was never a better example of gay israeli military beef than Dror Barak, aka Roman Ragazzi (porn name)"

    You like dead Israeli? haha
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    Jun 13, 2012 9:11 AM GMT
    IanCT saidthadjock said, "there was never a better example of gay israeli military beef than Dror Barak, aka Roman Ragazzi (porn name)"

    You like dead Israeli? haha

    One can always count on the hatists to have absolutely no class whatsoever.

    And the idiot-for-the-cause doesn't stop there:

    ianct> Palestinian men are braver than Israeli soldiers. He is not afraid of that machine gun.

    It's not a machine gun. It's a rubber bullet canister.
    (He's got an automatic weapon slung on his back and it isn't engaged.)

    And yeah, those Palestinian Arab terrorists who target innocent civilians and murder them in cold blood aren't what the rest of us would consider "brave". Neither are those who fire rockets (at Israeli civilians) from school yards and hospital roofs. Using their own population as human shields.

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1736068

    Let's also recall that while Israeli women & children (under 15) account for a disproportionate number of Israelis who were murdered, on the Palestinian Arab side these amount to only about 10% of casualties (despite constituting 75% of the population). Which shows us that the "brave" Palestinian Arab terrorists intentionally target not just civilians, but women & children - while the IDF soldiers (rare anecdotes aside - as is the case with US forces) do a pretty good job of avoiding such casualties.


    But let's get back to LGBT issues, eh?

    Gay Palestinians
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1061322

    Countries that support gays or kill them
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/984797
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    UPDATE: Received from another RJ member who I don't know if he wants his name published..... Thank you RJ Member! icon_smile.gif

    Army’s ‘gay soldiers’ photo was staged, is misleading

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-gay-soldiers-photo-is-misleading-military-source-says/
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    Jun 13, 2012 2:01 PM GMT
    Those with anti-Israel and anti-Semitic tendencies will use this as evidence of "pink-washing" which is their fanciful term for Israel's alleged conspiracy to use the Jewish State's tolerance of GLBT people to counter the alleged mistreatment of the Palestinian people.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jonathanmiller/the-crazy-lie-of-pinkwash_b_1565869.html

    It's sad the IDF couldn't find two ACTUAL gay soldiers to do this, because I know many ( myself included) who would have volunteered if just asked.
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    Jun 13, 2012 2:17 PM GMT
    LIEV saidThose with anti-Israel and anti-Semitic tendencies will use this as evidence of "pink-washing" which is their fanciful term for Israel's alleged conspiracy to use the Jewish State's tolerance of GLBT people to counter the alleged mistreatment of the Palestinian people.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jonathanmiller/the-crazy-lie-of-pinkwash_b_1565869.html

    It's sad the IDF couldn't find two ACTUAL gay soldiers to do this, because I know many ( myself included) who would have volunteered if just asked.




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    Why are you always using this worn out 'anti-Israel' and 'anti-semitic' accusation for any criticism at all? Using this tactic I think hurts the Israeli cause and Jewish causes as well, it is a worn out tactic and people accused of it over legitimate criticism are made even more determined to expose the truth by such accusations. The tactic is self defeating. Can't you see this point ?

    the "Pinkwashing" subject was originated and came from Jewish writers on a Jewish site Haaretz.Com. These patriotic jewish writers spoke of this issue because in their opinion tollerance of gays did not nor does not "WASH" or diminish the anti democratic actions of the Israeli leaders against the Palestinians from many fronts. Look up the article on Haaretz News ?

    Are you calling the Jewish writers Anti Israel and Anti Semitic because they dared to expose the Hypocrisy ?

    Exposing the truth does not a hater make.

    I for one Like you even though we disagree on some things, I can disagree with you without any thought whatever whether or not you are or are not Jewish,
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    Jun 13, 2012 2:24 PM GMT
    Some families in Palestinian territories who have lost their homes and family members over the Israeli leadership and the IDF actions involving the Occupation and Settlement/Barrier theft of land, homes and farms have every right to hate all of the above. Were LIL'AIPAC (W4) to walk for a year in their shoes, perhaps he would be more understanding, But above he chooses rather to forward his Zionist Zealot Propaganda and 'Pinkwash' (per the Israeli writer), to cover atrocities that are anything but democratic.
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    Jun 13, 2012 3:18 PM GMT
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    LIEV saidThose with anti-Israel and anti-Semitic tendencies will use this as evidence of "pink-washing" which is their fanciful term for Israel's alleged conspiracy to use the Jewish State's tolerance of GLBT people to counter the alleged mistreatment of the Palestinian people.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jonathanmiller/the-crazy-lie-of-pinkwash_b_1565869.html

    It's sad the IDF couldn't find two ACTUAL gay soldiers to do this, because I know many ( myself included) who would have volunteered if just asked.




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    Why are you always using this worn out 'anti-Israel' and 'anti-semitic' accusation for any criticism at all? Using this tactic I think hurts the Israeli cause and Jewish causes as well, it is a worn out tactic and people accused of it over legitimate criticism are made even more determined to expose the truth by such accusations. The tactic is self defeating. Can't you see this point ?

    the "Pinkwashing" subject was originated and came from Jewish writers on a Jewish site Haaretz.Com. These patriotic jewish writers spoke of this issue because in their opinion tollerance of gays did not nor does not "WASH" or diminish the anti democratic actions of the Israeli leaders against the Palestinians from many fronts. Look up the article on Haaretz News ?

    Are you calling the Jewish writers Anti Israel and Anti Semitic because they dared to expose the Hypocrisy ?

    Exposing the truth does not a hater make.

    I for one Like you even though we disagree on some things, I can disagree with you without any thought whatever whether or not you are or are not Jewish,


    Probably for the same reasons that you continually chime in with "theft of land" and "apartheid state."
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    Jun 13, 2012 3:42 PM GMT
    The whole pinkwashing thing is such a bullshit. Israeli gay activists actually had to work very hard in order to achieve gay rights in Israel today. Its not like the government did all the work. People are just using the whole pinkwashing thing as an excuse because they have problem with Israel and another thing is having LGBT rights should have nothing to do with Israeli-Palestianian conflict. One has nothing to do with the other.
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    Jun 13, 2012 4:46 PM GMT
    to Pouncer: Everyone on RealJock knows that your full of shit so just do me a favour and bug off and stop posting ur garbage which no one cares about.
    and yeah I'm sure their swimming in human rights in the West Bank icon_rolleyes.gif please...get REAL!
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    Jun 13, 2012 4:51 PM GMT
    #freePalestine #downwithZionism
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    Jun 13, 2012 5:59 PM GMT
    It's funny how little it takes to get the hatists to spew their sh*t.

    It's funny seeing RLD still ranting like a lunatic (does he wipe off his screen when he's done? I'm sure it's full of spit!), not to mention his faux argument of "this came from a Jewish/Israeli source so it must be right". As if that person has a monopoly on the truth and somehow the other 99% of Jews/Israelis aren't similarly automatically right.

    Where else do we see such faux logic?
    From homophobes who seem to think that "cured" homosexuals have a similar monopoly on the truth!
    As if they know the "gay agenda" and admit it while the rest of us only wish there was such a thing... icon_rolleyes.gif

    But then, when you can't win an argument on its merits, people like RLD make such appeals to (false) authority.


    Then there's this clown (who many have questioned if he's even gay or just on this site as an iranian agent. After all, he embraces Hamas, Hizbullah and Iran's Ahmadinejad while regurgitating official Iranian propaganda lies. And have you looked at his 1 picture with an impossible date stamp and which hasn't ever been updated?! Probably can't find more pictures of that poor sap.)

    Ayatrollah pouncer> in the 1950s the IDF was the only official state institution to try and jail soldiers for homosexual behaviour, and homosexuality was only legalized in Israel in 1988 (fully 30 years after it was legalized in the Jordanian-occupied West Bank!)

    Look at the cognitive dissonance. First he tells us that Israeli institutions, aside from the IDF way back in the 1950s, never pursued gays. Then he argues that homosexuality was "legalized" in 1988. It was "decriminalized" - you'd think gay people would understand the difference - in 1988 when a specific statute from the British era was intentionally removed from the books. This was followed by the passage of laws protecting the rights of gay people.

    In contrast, Jordan at one point annulled a bunch of of old British laws. The sodomy law, incidentally and with no specific intention, was thus eliminated. But in the 50+ years since, not a single law protecting the rights of gay people has been passed. No such thing in Trans/Jordan's former "West Bank" under PA rule, let alone in Gaza under Hamas rule.

    Indeed, gays flee from these territories to Israel for safety!

    Gay Palestinians
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1061322

    Countries that support gays or kill them
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/984797

    Hopefully anyone who wasn't previously familiar with propaganda pouncer's habitual - pathological - lies now understands melb4ever's reaction. pouncer is one of the most "ignored" people on the system - not far behind RLD.

    See also:

    Intellectual dishonesty hall of shame: Freedom of opinion/press is found in Iran, not in US or UK.
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1443151
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    Jun 13, 2012 7:00 PM GMT
    The fact that the guys in the photo aren't gay and are not a couple makes the picture better as far as I'm concerned.
    We don't win these battles without straight allies.
    A straight guy willing to hold hands with a gay one for an anti-homophobia picture is exactly the type of "what difference does orientation make" statement we need.

    I think those facts make the message stronger.
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    Jun 13, 2012 7:54 PM GMT
    could be a good thing... as a side note, wars are waged because of wealth, territory, and greed... all of which are domains of breeders. Gay people, by principle, don't breed and don't have the need to provide for an ever-growing mass of children and offsprings. Arguably the biggest factor of wars are caused by breeding related issues. Less breeders, less wars. The fucking human race is the only animal that wages wars. All other animals don't wage epic wars.

    The movie about the love between two soldiers on opposite side speaks volume. They can be the example for all breeders. IF ALL SOLDIERS go to bed with the other side, there will be NO WARS. The politicians will be forced to peaceful measures.... It would be impressive if they will ever post the movie on their official facebook page.
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    Jun 13, 2012 7:57 PM GMT
    Israel does not need me to jump to its defense.

    Israel existed long before me and will exist long after me and the same applies to individuals who decry the very existence of the Jewish State.

    #Kthxbai
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    Jun 13, 2012 9:15 PM GMT
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    realifedad said
    LIEV saidThose with anti-Israel and anti-Semitic tendencies will use this as evidence of "pink-washing" which is their fanciful term for Israel's alleged conspiracy to use the Jewish State's tolerance of GLBT people to counter the alleged mistreatment of the Palestinian people.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jonathanmiller/the-crazy-lie-of-pinkwash_b_1565869.html

    It's sad the IDF couldn't find two ACTUAL gay soldiers to do this, because I know many ( myself included) who would have volunteered if just asked.




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    Why are you always using this worn out 'anti-Israel' and 'anti-semitic' accusation for any criticism at all? Using this tactic I think hurts the Israeli cause and Jewish causes as well, it is a worn out tactic and people accused of it over legitimate criticism are made even more determined to expose the truth by such accusations. The tactic is self defeating. Can't you see this point ?

    the "Pinkwashing" subject was originated and came from Jewish writers on a Jewish site Haaretz.Com. These patriotic jewish writers spoke of this issue because in their opinion tollerance of gays did not nor does not "WASH" or diminish the anti democratic actions of the Israeli leaders against the Palestinians from many fronts. Look up the article on Haaretz News ?

    Are you calling the Jewish writers Anti Israel and Anti Semitic because they dared to expose the Hypocrisy ?

    Exposing the truth does not a hater make.

    I for one Like you even though we disagree on some things, I can disagree with you without any thought whatever whether or not you are or are not Jewish,


    Probably for the same reasons that you continually chime in with "theft of land" and "apartheid state."


    Your comparison is quite obviously a false equivalency

    My friend, the whole problem revolves around "theft of Land" It is the most often spoken of issue blocking peace. and I don't know where you get that I continually use "apartheid state" but now that you mention it, Many a jewish writer on Jewish/Israeli sites make that comparison. Have you read them ?

    Do you for one minute think that I hate you ? Israel is there to stay and can be good if the Zealots would back off and end the Occupation and the theft of land to make peace. Do you really think I hate Israel just because I criticize "the theft of land" and settlement building that is seen around the world even in the US as a block to peace ?

    This whole mess caused by Israels leadership is costing we American Tax payers BILLIONS, not only does this give us reason to criticize but it is our patriotic duty to expose the waste used to maintain the status quo. Saying so does not a hater make.

    Do the patriotic thing and fight against the Occupancy and the settlement building on stolen land that is the Palestinian Homeland, why don't you push for israel treating the Palestinians more farely, rather then how the Jews were treated when forced to leave their homes, land and farms in Europe ?
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    Firebrand saidAnother reason why Israel > Palestine


    Another reason why Palestine > Israel

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    Palestinian men are braver than Israeli soldiers. He is not afraid of that machine gun.


    Because he's going to enjoy his 7 virgins in heaven...Nice to have such assurance!
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    Jun 13, 2012 9:22 PM GMT
    LIEV saidIsrael does not need me to jump to its defense.

    Israel existed long before me and will exist long after me and the same applies to individuals who decry the very existence of the Jewish State.

    #Kthxbai


    ))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

    Who in hell here on RJ has decried Israels very existence ?

    Do you actually believe that's the motive behind the legitimate criticism of the international community and individual members, when they speak of obvious wrongs perpetraited against the Palestinians that are a block to peace ?

    Do you fear Israels demise so much that you infer on any criticism that behind it has to be a seeking for Israel's destruction ?

    What in the world is behind such statements ?


    There's so many good reasons to be having these conversations, to clear the air, don't you think so ?
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    Jun 13, 2012 9:28 PM GMT
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    IanCT said
    Firebrand saidAnother reason why Israel > Palestine


    Another reason why Palestine > Israel

    598561_408284039210395_185912090_n.jpg

    Palestinian men are braver than Israeli soldiers. He is not afraid of that machine gun.


    Because he's going to enjoy his 7 virgins in heaven...Nice to have such assurance!




    Come on Mock !! Most Palestinian protestors are protesting settlements or the taking of land, homes and farms for more "walls" around the settlements. Seven virgins has absolutely nothing to do with it. This is hear and now that those protestors are concerned about, most protests are peaceful actions against losing more of their homes, land and farms.

    What would you and I do if someone took our places that our family had lived on for generations, just because some 3000 year old bible story claimed otherwise would be of no comfort or practical application to todays problem of their losing their place.
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    Jun 14, 2012 12:43 AM GMT
    torrentprime saidThe fact that the guys in the photo aren't gay and are not a couple makes the picture better as far as I'm concerned.
    We don't win these battles without straight allies.
    A straight guy willing to hold hands with a gay one for an anti-homophobia picture is exactly the type of "what difference does orientation make" statement we need.

    I think those facts make the message stronger.



    You know the more I think of your post, the more I think your right We certainly do need straight people with open minds and hearts on our side.
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    Jun 14, 2012 1:32 AM GMT
    [quote][cite]Wolverine4 said[/cite]It's funny how little it takes to get the hatists to spew their sh*t.

    It's funny seeing RLD still ranting like a lunatic (does he wipe off his screen when he's done? I'm sure it's full of spit!), not to mention his faux argument of "this came from a Jewish/Israeli source so it must be right". As if that person has a monopoly on the truth and somehow the other 99% of Jews/Israelis aren't similarly automatically right.

    Where else do we see such faux logic?
    From homophobes who seem to think that "cured" homosexuals have a similar monopoly on the truth!
    As if they know the "gay agenda" and admit it while the rest of us only wish there was such a thing... icon_rolleyes.gif

    But then, when you can't win an argument on its merits, people like RLD make such appeals to (false) authority.

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    Such accusations from LIL'AIPAC (W4) !!! LOL !!!!

    And this from one of the most hateful name calling pain in the ass to Palestinians on this site as well as anyone else who dares dissagree with his one sided AIPAC and Zionist Zealot Propaganda.

    We here at RJ understand that you recognise no other Authority other than the above which exist only to cover attrocities with propaganda for the goal of accomplishing the overtaking of 'greater Israel' in spite of having to move the Palestinians out of the way and regardless of how doing so delegitimizes and Isolates Israel from the internaional community in the process. But carry on, its your country losing credibility not mine.

    Funny that all LIL'AIPAC accomplished in his little speal is accuse me of exactly how he conducts himself.


    LIL'AIPAC, Since its obvious that you did not ignore me in total above, WOULD YOU USE THE COURTESY TO ADDRESS THE POINTS RATHER THAN JUST BLOW OFF STEAM ?
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    Indeed, gays flee from these territories to Israel for safety!

    In the article on Haaretz news they referred to 'Pinkwashing' also in relation to a very very dismal record in Israel at actually giving refuge to any gays from Palestine or any other of its neighbors. DID YOU READ THE ARTICLE ?


    One more thing LIL'AIPAC, One of the most sure signs of and proof of a Zionist propagandist is there use of the tactic of accusing their enemies of exactly what they are doing themselves. Starting or causing a problem, then blaming the victim, Kinda like mistreating the Palestinians at every turn then when they react the propagandists accuse them of hating, anti semitism, seeking the distruction of Israel, and terrorism. DUH LIL'AIPAC, what do you expect?

    Now your trying to tell us how wonderful and democratic Israel is, totally ignoring all its atrocities because they allow gays, when the fact is that few Gays from Israels neighboring Arab countries are allowed refuge in "democratic Israel". I just hope they aren't as maligned as the african refugees are being treated right now in Israel as thy round them up and deport them. but you probably haven't read that on Haaretz News either, because it doesn't fit into your AIPAC list of acceptable Propaganda.

    Care to give us some facts that dispute the Jewish writers at Haaretz News and many other Jewish/Israeli sites ?

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    Jun 14, 2012 3:38 AM GMT
    metta8 said
    UPDATE: Received from another RJ member who I don't know if he wants his name published.....

    Army’s ‘gay soldiers’ photo was staged, is misleading

    As Liev pointed out there is no shortage of gay couples in the IDF, or photos of gays - in uniform! - at pride events.

    Nor is there anything "misleading". The caption reads:

    It's Pride Month. Did you know that the IDF treats all of its soldiers equally?

    Which is correct.

    At most one can claim that a straight person was used to produce a pro-tolerance photo.
    as torrentprime saidThe fact that the guys in the photo aren't gay and are not a couple makes the picture better as far as I'm concerned.
    We don't win these battles without straight allies.

    If only we could or would see such a thing in the other 90% of the countries in the world....

    [Note: the hatists who continue their attacks on Israel rather than address the topic have already exposed themselves....
    If you haven't yet, just put them on "ignore". You'll find a lot of topics will then become readable!]
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    Jun 14, 2012 4:25 AM GMT
    SxyDrkHair saidMonktwinkie, Believe it or not, that guy is a Palestinian Christian from Beit Jala lol Are you an islamophobia? It seems like you are...

    C'mon.. Mock is a card carryin member of the tea party! They have to hate anything not Christian or Jewish. (and Jewish only because they are the antithesis of "Islam")
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    Jun 14, 2012 4:28 AM GMT
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    SbStudent saidTel aviv is the number one spot on my places to visit list! Never mind that the IDF is a horrible entity that is probably guilty of war crimes. They're still sexy as all hell!!!

    Probably not guilty of "war crimes".

    Judge Goldstone recants: new evidence/data "indicate that civilians were NOT intentionally targeted" by Israel.
    Unlike by Hamas.

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1469998

    Sexy? Of course!





    ugh, i just want to marry all of them!
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    Jun 14, 2012 5:04 AM GMT
    LOL.

    As I said:

    The hatists who continue their attacks on Israel rather than address the topic have already exposed themselves....
    If you haven't yet, just put them on "ignore". You'll find a lot of topics, absent their babble, will then become readable!