Israeli Defense Forces Posts Photo of Gay Soldiers Holding Hands to Official Facebook Page

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    Jun 14, 2012 9:37 PM GMT
    damn Israelis. you guys are always trouble makers.
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    Jun 15, 2012 1:03 AM GMT
    IanCT saiddamn Israelis. you guys are always trouble makers.


    i think its really obvious here who's the real trouble maker..its all the muslim countries..thats for sure including Palestianians or however you spell it lol.
    As far as I know Israelis are peaceful people and kind too. They don't kill eachother at the protests like wild savages.

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    Jun 15, 2012 1:13 AM GMT
    and btw..its nothing personal as I have muslim friends myself. I do know that there are good and bad Musllims as I have met a lot of good people that were muslim. But I'm looking at the whole picture and it seems like there's a lot of evil going in muslim countries and I think religion/difference is to blame. I do have to say though I really don't like Palestinians and thats just my opinion. I'm basing my view from everything that I've seen, heard and read.
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    Jun 15, 2012 5:00 AM GMT
    Wolverine4 saidLOL.

    As I said:

    The hatists who continue their attacks on Israel rather than address the topic have already exposed themselves....
    If you haven't yet, just put them on "ignore". You'll find a lot of topics, absent their babble, will then become readable!





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    LOL on you LIL'AIPAC (W4) you must be doing some reading, but ignoring the facts that are bering brought out are not in fact attacks against Israel but against Leadership actions that give Israel a black eye in the view of the International community and are in fact making a fool of due to your 'supposed' ignoring.


    Care to give some proof for your accusations and refute the facts we are bringing to the forefront ? Your canned Anti this and Anti that accusations don't cover up the facts no matter how much you desire that they will. LOL

    You AIPAC'ers try hard to cover up the facts and accuse hate as the motive for exposing the truth, but such accusations the more made, fall flat more and more these days with the truth daily exposed on the internet and even isolate Israel more. There are many many articles to this effect on Jewish sites, DO YOU READ THEM LIL'AIPAC ? So keep play ignoring because I'm being reasonable and your missing it and the points that I'm exposing from your fellew Jews. LOL Carry on because the many who see right through your Zionist Propaganda are reading and you make a fool of yourself and your cause.

    Lies and propaganda won't cover up the truth about Israeli leadership actions, they just serve to further delegitimize and Isolate Israel all the moreand unfortunately it affects the millions of decent peace loving Israeli Jews and world Jewry who are also against the Israeli leaderships atrocities and mistreatment of Palestinians.

    Have you read that article on Haaretz and many others on the internet about Pink washing which expose just how Little Israel's leadership does for gays from other countries bordering Israel ? I HAVE !!! Many others apparently have too.

    We know that you AIPAC types would just love to shut down criticism by your accusations that our only motives are hatred, but sorry, that just doesn't work anymore. The truth needs to be exposed everytime propagandists like LIL'AIPAC try to hide the truth with propaganda designed to cover up the truth, if peace is ever to come for Palestinians in particular.


    BELOW I AM INCLUDING THE LATEST ARTICLE FROM A JEWISH SELF PROCLAIMED ZIONIST WHO WROTE FOR HAARETZ NEWS, HE HAS SOMETHING FOR BOTH SIDES OF THE ISSUE >>>>>>>> BUT MUCH CRITICISM FOR ISRAELS >>>>>>>> "BRUTAL OCCUPATION"

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    Jun 15, 2012 5:08 AM GMT
    Heres the Latest article on Pink washing from a Jewish writer on Israels HAARETZ NEWS


    ARE YOU READING LIL'AIPAC (W4) ?


    Mudslinging over Israel's 'pinkwashing' obscures the real solutions
    Activists should be fighting for LGBTQ equality as if there was no Israeli occupation, and fighting the occupation whether or not officials use Israel’s LGBTQ record as a public relations tactic.
    By Mira Sucharov | Jun.14, 2012 | 11:20 PM

    "I am neither an Israeli citizen, nor gay. But I am a Jew and a Zionist, and I also am what’s known in LGBTQ parlance as an “ally.” In addition to devoting my life’s work to understanding Israel in all its complexities and much of my community-engaged research to following LGBTQ issues in Judaism, I sit on the board of a liberal Zionist organization in North America, and am active in a grassroots initiative for Jewish community LGBTQ inclusiveness in Ottawa."

    So it is with great fascination that I have been watching the latest round of the “Israel pinkwashing” debate unfold. And what I see is sadly more expressions of cynicism and distraction from the real issues on all sides.

    The IDF recently posted a photo on its Facebook page of two male soldiers holding hands. Word soon spread that the photo had been staged. Outrage predictably ensued. A few weeks earlier, Israeli officials had pulled a similar stunt: in honor of Pride, the city of Tel Aviv had painted the bars of a crosswalk rainbow colors for a photo-op before returning them to white a few hours later.

    Truth be told, the fact that these efforts were staged was more intriguing to me than disturbing. If the IDF cares that much about promoting its image as a place where LGBTQ soldiers can serve openly that it would ask two servicemen (one of whom, apparently, was gay) to pose in a homoerotic way, I find that, well, kind of touching.

    But as the pinkwashing accusers see it, the IDF draws attention to its relative openness to gays and lesbians in order to shore up its self-image as the “most moral army in the world,” all the while the IDF conducts a humiliating occupation - with no end in sight.

    Similarly, Israel advocacy groups, especially on college campuses, often partner with student LGBTQ groups to polish Israel’s image in the face of heavy criticism of Israel’s ethno-national character and its occupation policies.

    There is indeed much truth to this analysis.

    But the current mudslinging over pinkwashing (visit the Twitter barbs being traded between Ali Abunimah, editor of Electronic Intifada, and Avi Mayer, the social media liaison at the Jewish Agency) obscures what should be the real solutions, solutions that should be based on what is sadly becoming a quaint value in the age of shock talk: the value of fair-mindedness.

    Before Prime Minister Stephen Harper gave Canada’s public stance in the Middle East its current tone, Canadian diplomats long articulated the principle of fair-mindedness: criticize each side on its own terms, and give credit where credit is due. It was an approach that allowed the country to “punch above its weight” diplomatically, and have a say on some of the thorniest issues. Before the Arab-Israeli multilateral talks dwindled in the mid-1990s, Canada had been a “gavel holder” for the refugee working group.

    How would more fair-mindedness help unravel the pinkwashing conundrum?

    Instead of obsessing over whether the IDF and Tel Aviv municipalities photos were staged, whether the IDF’s openness toward LGBTQ soldiers (a feat that indeed long preceded the repeal of America’s “Don’t-Ask-Don’t-Tell” policy) is undermined by the lack of same-sex marriage (or any civil marriage at all) in Israel, and whether Tel Aviv’s globally famous Pride festival hides the realities of the brutal occupation, activists should be fighting for LGBTQ equality as if there was no Israeli occupation, and fighting the occupation whether or not officials use Israel’s LGBTQ record as a public relations tactic.

    So yes - Israel’s supporters should promote Israel’s positive
    treatment of gays and lesbians, while at the same time decrying the societal homophobia that exists: witness MK Anastassia Michaeli’s homophobic rant this week and the negative reaction she received from other lawmakers. And Israel’s supporters also need to grapple publicly with Israel’s serious moral failings, not least of which is the occupation coupled with the various inequalities still plaguing Israel’s Arab citizens.

    With groups like Breaking the Silence, bringing to light crucial issues surrounding the moral corruption of the occupation, Israel cannot afford to hew to the status quo - whether or not the soldiers knocking on Palestinian doors in the middle of the night are gay, straight or closeted - without some serious policy reckoning.

    And of course, if activists really want to see an end to pinkwashing, the most obvious solution is to fight for LGBTQ rights everywhere. Then Israel’s claims will be that much less remarkable. And humanity - in all its beautiful sexual diversity - will be that much better off.



    SO LIL'AIPAC (w4) DOES THIS JEWISH WRITER HATE ISREAL BECAUSE HE MIXES PRAISE FOR ISRAEL WITH SOME PRETTY HARSH CRITICISM OF THE OCCUPATION (settlements)?
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    Jun 15, 2012 5:27 AM GMT
    Here's an article from a Jewish writer on the Israeli HAARETZ NEWS with the writer quite disgusted over "PINKWASHING" by Israels Ambassador, he also lays out the facts that ISRAEL DOES NOT OFFER REFUGE ON ANYWHERE CLOSE TO A REGULAR BASIS FOR PALESTINIAN GAYS SEEKING REFUGE NOR FROM ANY OTHER ARAB NEIGHBORING COUNTRY.



    ARE YOU READING LIL"AIPAC (W4) ? Is this Jewish writer a "HATIST" because he exposes the facts about Israels dismal record ?


    Michael Oren pinkwashes the truth about Israel and gay Palestinians
    The appropriation of gay rights in Israel diverts the conversation from Palestinian oppression in an attempt to present Israel as a liberal democracy.
    By Aeyal Gross May.09, 2012 | 6:23 PM | 6

    "Israel did not fight for the rights of gays, not in the sixties nor in the seventies. Only at the end of the eighties and in the nineties, in the wake of vigorous activism on the part of members of the LGBT community and a small number of politicians who supported them, did any progress take place. This included the cancelation of the criminality of homosexual intercourse and the creation of a law and a ruling that would prevent discrimination. Now, said progress, part real and part imagined, is being appropriated for Israeli hasbara.

    Not only is the LGBT community being appropriated, but so are the Palestinians. Oren claimed in his speech that Israel provide asylum for LGBT Palestinian organizations that cannot freely operate in the territories. In reality, Israel has refused to take in LGBT Palestinians. A report published in 2008 by the Refugee Rights Clinic of Tel Aviv University describes Israel's refusal to even weigh the requests for asylum by LGBT Palestinians. While the headquarters of two LGBT Palestinian organizations that operate in both Israel and in the West Bank are located in Israel, the state does not give them "shelter," and their appropriation for Israel's propaganda needs is outrageous – not only because of the ongoing oppression of Palestinians in Israel and in the territories, but also because the appropriation is done in order to divert the conversation from Palestinian oppression in an attempt to present Israel as a liberal democracy.

    The protesters, among them Israelis, were right to blame Oren for what is known across the world as "pinkwashing." Now, with Pride Month is just around the corner, the question that the Israeli LGBT community faces is whether or not it will participate in Oren's tactics, under the framework known as "homo-nationalism," or to celebrate the achievements and progress toward equality of the LGBT community in Israel, out of a commitment to equality for anyone who suffers oppression and discrimination, including the Palestinian community. "

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    Jun 15, 2012 5:33 AM GMT
    I searched on just one Israeli site by putting in one word "PINKWASHING" and 7 articles came up, and no where close to most of them were backing our RJ propagandist LIL'AIPAC (W4) and his efforts to cover up the truth.

    Is it any wonder that some of us have to set the record straight after all the steady flow of LIL'AIPAC lies and propaganda coverups ?
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    Jun 15, 2012 5:40 AM GMT
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    IanCT saiddamn Israelis. you guys are always trouble makers.


    i think its really obvious here who's the real trouble maker..its all the muslim countries..thats for sure including Palestianians or however you spell it lol.
    As far as I know Israelis are peaceful people and kind too. They don't kill eachother at the protests like wild savages.




    No Israeli's don't kill each other, but far too many stand by far too frequently as does far too many IDF soldiers while god damn settlers, harass and terrorise Palestinians on their own land and farms, and don't say a thing against their government leaders stealing Palestinian lands, homes and farms for settler housing and barrier zones for those illegal settlements. Yesireeeee, that's a hella peacefull way for Israeli's to conduct themselves.

    Thank god most Israeli's though aren't like that, just far too many, that like their leadership put a scar on the reputation of the whole country.
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    Jun 15, 2012 8:18 AM GMT
    It seems to me though that the majority of israeli's don't support the illegal settlers. I'm not 100% sure but I believe most of the settlers are religious?
    At the same time, I understand how Israelis feel though and where they coming from. I would be pissed if I were Israeli too because most of the older generation got kicked out of their own lands too and I'm talking about from most of the muslim countries. Jews are not even able to visit most of these Muslim countries, never mind returning to live there. While Israeli Palestinians live in Israel a normal life and able to pray and there are even mosques in Israel. I just find it unfair and I can understand why this conflict goes on and on. Besides, Israel is such a small land while Arabs have so much land in this world, why can't any of those countries help their fellow Palestinians..I mean they fought for Palestinians because they considered them their blood and brothers.

    Even I left Uzbekistan as a refugee when I came to U.S., Its a muslim country and even though the relations between the jews and muslims weren't that bad compared to other countries, the muslims still spied on the Jews and we didn't feel that safe...its still friendly though.

    I also wanted to mention the sucide attacks and how horrible were they. If I were in Israel at that time, I would be really scared and terrified for my life. Its just sickening to do something like that and some of those suicide bombers were females, its crazy. Just killing innocent people that haven't done anything to deserve it and on top of that killing themselves. I was watching those videos and just wanted to throw up, thinking to myself how in the world can someone commit just a gross act. Its just mentally disturbing.
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    Jun 15, 2012 3:57 PM GMT
    realifedad said I searched on just one Israeli site by putting in one word "PINKWASHING" and 7 articles came up, and no where close to most of them were backing our RJ propagandist LIL'AIPAC (W4) and his efforts to cover up the truth.

    Is it any wonder that some of us have to set the record straight after all the steady flow of LIL'AIPAC lies and propaganda coverups ?


    Just because their not letting Palestinians in, does not make it pinkwashing. I would feel the same if I were Israeli..very unsafe around Palestinians from the West Bank, no matter what their sexual orientation is gay or straight. I understand it's for the security purposes and for the publics safety. It's like why should Israel babysit gay Palestinians when their own people don't want anything to do with them and abandoning them and killing.
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    Jun 15, 2012 4:04 PM GMT
    Being homosexual is not that bad with Jews compared to some other religions like Christianity and Islam that have a lot of anti-gay groups and organizations. In fact, 80% of Jews in U.S. support gay marriage according to latest statistics and ultra orthodox doesn't make up the majority of the population, just a small percentage.
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    Jun 15, 2012 5:53 PM GMT
    AyaTrollah pouncer> when you finally cease to occupy a population against its will

    The "occupation" is the result of Arab parties rejecting peace and seeking instead to destroy Israel.

    An occupation is what happens between war (started by the Arabs) and peace (still rejected by too many Arab parties).

    The internationally recognized formula, binding on the parties, is UNSCR 242.
    It established the "land for peace" (not "peace for land") formula.
    When the Arabs accept peace - and a political border is negotiated - Israel will withdraw to that border.

    Imagine that nazi Germany or Japan refused to make peace even after the Allies occupied them.
    Would anyone blame the war on the Allies, as if the prior German/Japanese aggression was obviated by the "occupation"?
    Would anyone expect the Allies to withdraw even as German leaders were talking of retaking France and launching rockets at the Sudetenland?

    The problem is that the Arab parties were quick to war and glacially slow to peace. The first Arab state to accept UNSCR 242 - after a decade! - was Egypt, and it was expelled from the Arab League for doing so (despite being the largest Arab country). It took a quarter of a century (and Saddam's drubbing) for other Arab parties to follow suit.

    All of which is extensively discussed in other topics.

    1947-1948: Arabs reject compromise and attack Israel
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/960691

    UN Security Council Resolution 242, Oslo Accords, Camp David & Taba.
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/354843

    Revisiting the Clinton Compromise Parameters
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/2271313

    So why bring it up again here?
    Oh, that's right. Propaganda pouncer is a pathological racist hatist.
    He just can't - ever - put a cork in it.
    Just the mention of "Jew" is enough to set him off.
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    Jun 15, 2012 8:53 PM GMT
    Post useless links not making you any good Leeron. icon_biggrin.gif

    The illegal "occupation" is the result of Israeli parties rejecting peace and destroy Palestinians.
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    Jun 15, 2012 9:40 PM GMT
    What.
    The.
    Actual.
    Fuck.

    Lol, no. I don't believe it's thank to America's war for oil is the reason I'm allowed to freely roam on the internet. Whenever I talk about military, people tend to paint this scenario where the whole world would be in ruins without the military. And then you'd have to figure who would put it in ruins to begin with.
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    Jun 15, 2012 9:48 PM GMT
    IanCT saidPost useless links not making you any good Leeron. icon_biggrin.gif

    The illegal "occupation" is the result of Israeli parties rejecting peace and destroy Palestinians.




    IanCT, we note again that LIL'AIPAC (W4) continues to try 'talking over' and quoting over all the facts that I exposed from jewish Israeli writers, He just cannot stand to deal with facts that dispute his AIPAC and Zionist Propganda used to cover up the facts.


    note to above that when he lists deals the Palestinian leadership supposedly passed up, he leaves off all the obvious onesided Israeli deal small print as the reasons behind not taking those deals, he also leaves off that in at least two instances, the Israeli leadership changed hands and the one that followed such as 'NETAN YAHOOOO' refused to carry on the peace deal. LIL'AIPAC likes to keep those pertinent details quiet. LOL OH WELL !!! MORE OF THE SAME PROPAGANDA FROM LIL'AIPAC that we've grown accustomed too and have a duty to expose.


    LIL'AIPAC brings up Nazi Germany, HMMMM !!! Seems to me that Israeli leadership is using Nazi Gernamny tactics to take away Palestinians homes lands and farms, just like what was so unfortunately done to the jews of Europe. you would think that they'd "DO UNTO OTHERS AS THEY WOULD HAVE DONE UNTO THEMSELVES"
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    Jun 16, 2012 3:35 AM GMT
    Buddha saidWhenever I talk about military, people tend to paint this scenario where the whole world would be in ruins without the military. And then you'd have to figure who would put it in ruins to begin with.

    True. As the saying goes:

    If the Arabs put down their weapons, there would be no war.
    If the Israelis put down their weapons, there would be no Israel.

    Yalla, Peace!
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    Jun 16, 2012 4:17 AM GMT
    LMAO !!! LIL'AIPAC (W4), If the israeli leadership weren't so hell bent on having their cake and the arab's cake too, as in stealing land from its neighbors and mistreating them at every turn they would'nt need the weapons to a large degree. Most of israels problems were and are still being brought on themselves, because to the Israeli leadership, what is ours is ours only, what is yours is ours to take and your supposed to like it and take your beating with no complaint, because we Israelis are chosen of god who gave us what you live on. Care to prove that wrong LIL'AIPAC ?

    IT JUST DOES'T WORK THAT WAY LIL'AIPAC, Stop causing the problems by land theft for settlements, stop clinging to the atrocious Occupancy and you won't need so many weapons and you won't be making so many enemies. This is why in the UN your left with one dominant "VETO" partner and that is the US, which is bought by Jewish money, and AIPAC arm twisting in the halls of congress, with the threat of unleashing the money and Propaganda campaign to remove those who don't vote with Israels Lobby AIPAC.

    Now tell us LIL'AIPAC that you haven't read any of the articles written by Jewish writers on Jewish owned Media just how the above works and just how wrong and self defeating it is to the legitimacy of Israel and how it adds to Israels Isolation.

    LIL'AIPAC, you've still got a lot of jewish written points to respond to here and in previous posts, Ignoring won't make the facts go away you know.
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    Buddha saidWhat.
    The.
    Actual.
    Fuck.

    Lol, no. I don't believe it's thank to America's war for oil is the reason I'm allowed to freely roam on the internet. Whenever I talk about military, people tend to paint this scenario where the whole world would be in ruins without the military. And then you'd have to figure who would put it in ruins to begin with.



    Sadly for the last decade the US with the pushing and heavy involvement of Israel has brought about the vast majority of war distruction in our world.

    In the History behind the lead up to the Afghanistan, and Iraq wars, there were several think tanks dominated by Dual US/Israeli citizens that were behind planning and pushing for those wars even going back to Clintons administration. the dominant of these was "Project for the New American Century" led primarily by the likes of William Krystol. Many of these were brought into the Bush Administration with totals of Dual Nationals in his War Administration amounting to 41 to the total number of 54.

    That 'Think Tank" was disbanded in disgrace after the Iraq war faliures, but morphed into other groups so we still have the William Krystols popping up their war mongering heads to now be promoting war with Iran. Who benefits from this ? ISRAEL, this is not a war in the interests of the USA, no more than was Iraq.

    Be sure to do a Google check on the above, the facts are all readily available.


    OH BUT ISRAEL IS SOFT ON GAYS, SO ITS ALL GOOD !!! LMAO !!!! How democratic of them !!! while on the other hand they are stealing land daily for internationally illegal settlements on Occuppied Palestinian Territory claiming that "GOD SAYS ITS OURS". What twisted Hypocritical logic.


    Keep ignoring LIL'AIPAC, the facts they are so stubborn though that they overule ignoring, or is that 'ignorance' that facts overule? guess it works both ways.

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    Jun 16, 2012 7:06 AM GMT
    It would be so weird that Leeron (Wolverine4) comparing Israel to Palestine about the gay rights. Palestine is at war and under Israel's illegal occupation. Palestine is not a self-governing a sovereign country yet. Wolverine4 is very defensive about the Israel's illegal activities in the Palestinian territories. Sometime he ignores the fact that there is OCCUPATION and it is illegal.
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    Jun 16, 2012 8:46 AM GMT
    MelB4Ever saidThe whole pinkwashing thing is such a bullshit. Israeli gay activists actually had to work very hard in order to achieve gay rights in Israel today. Its not like the government did all the work. People are just using the whole pinkwashing thing as an excuse because they have problem with Israel and another thing is having LGBT rights should have nothing to do with Israeli-Palestianian conflict. One has nothing to do with the other.


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    Jun 16, 2012 2:32 PM GMT
    PINKWASHING >>>>>>>>definition>>>>>>>>>The effort to shed light on one aspect of Israels "democracy", to draw attention away from the many very UNDEMOCRATIC actions against the Palestinians rights under the OCCUPATION and SETTLEMENT THEFT OF LAND.

    The minor aspect of Israels gay rights when held up against the whole picture of all the undemocratic aspects of Israels OCCUPATION is indeed quite pathetic. Rather childlike really, catch a little child at some destructive behavior and he is likely to say something like "but daddy I just fed the doggy like you asked me to" or some other little matter the child can use to distract from the bad behavior. The father will tell th child that whatever good he does is diminished and beside the point in light of the extreme bad behavior of destruction.

    Blind approval of Israels supposed status as a democracy by holding up such as gay rights falls flat and fails totally at impressing the openminded international observer. We all know and read often what Israeli trocities are being conducted on a daily basis that are anything but democratic actions against their victims the Palestinians.

    You Pro Israel members who might want to impress us need to do the patriotic thing by speaking out against the Occupation, the IDF murders of innocent children and peaceful demonstrators whose homes, lands and farms have been taken by Settlements. Then if statements are made about progress in Israels democracy on such small matters as gay rights readers would find it much more palatable. But this defensiveness, denying, and covering up of all the extremely undemocratic actions and then name calling against those who expose those bad actions does nothing but diminish you pro Israeli's cause, your blind AIPAC propagandist defenses only work to further delegitimize and isolate Israels cause. MANY MANY AN ARTICLE HAS BEEN WRITTEN ON THIS POINT BY JEWISH WRITERS ON JEWISH MEDIA.

    Are you Pro Israeli members reading your own peoples writings at all ?

    I'd be willing to bet that if you LIL'AIPAC types made some admissions, decried the Occupation and settlements rather than vehemently defending those actions and stopped the name calling to hush those who expose the truth, that many of us would accept your talking about the good gay aspect of Israel.

    Any of you pro Israeli members willing to accept this reasonable challenge?

    If not, why not ?

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    Jun 16, 2012 4:21 PM GMT
    Wolverine4Israel inherited from the British a system where family law (including marriage) was goverend by the religious establishments (Jewish, Muslim, Christian and others). The absence of civil marriage is bad and is being worked on. It's just a matter of time and it is likely that gay marriages will be built it.


    Not so - English law permitted civil non-religious marriage before the mandate and it has thrived since. The absence of civil marriage happens because of the ultra-orthodox lobby in the Knesset, as you well know. it's not going to change soon. Stop blaming others for actions of the Hasidim.
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    Wolverine4Israel inherited from the British a system where family law (including marriage) was goverend by the religious establishments (Jewish, Muslim, Christian and others). The absence of civil marriage is bad and is being worked on. It's just a matter of time and it is likely that gay marriages will be built it.

    Not so - English law permitted civil non-religious marriage before the mandate and it has thrived since. The absence of civil marriage happens because of the ultra-orthodox lobby in the Knesset, as you well know. it's not going to change soon. Stop blaming others for actions of the Hasidim.

    The religious right is a small minority.

    The Mandatory system, administered by the British, established religious courts to govern family law including marriage.
    There was no civil marriage during the Mandate period.
    These are facts, and your ignorance - much as you may like to flaunt it - doesn't change them
    (Nor does the crude manipulation of what I said, which spoke not of "English law" but Mandate law.)

    Of course, if you had a shred of honestly you'd have mentioned that the orthodox Christian and Muslim communities (which may outnumber the orthodox Jewish population in Israel!) are also interested in maintaining the religious monopoly on issues of family law.

    Again, Israel does recognize civil - and gay - marriages performed abroad.
    And it has recognized civil - and gay - common law marriages.


    This, along with other protections for LGBT rights, puts Israel in the top 10 or 20 countries in the world.
    The hatists, of course, seek to twist the truth here just as they do everywhere else.
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    Jun 17, 2012 4:15 PM GMT
    AyaTrollah pouncer> Maybe instead of saying Israel "inherited" this iniquity from the British, we should say Israel "maintained" it for the better part of its 64 years...

    Still unable to explain his previous arguments from contradicting premises, propaganda pouncer again shows us that his hate for Israel/Jews exceeds his love for anything. He really should try to get out of his mother's basement more often.

    Previously:

    AyaTrollah pouncer previously> in the 1950s the IDF was the only official state institution to try and jail soldiers for homosexual behaviour

    So if you wish to twist the truth to your anti-Israel uber-alles agenda, the most you can say is that Israel "maintained" this system, in a very limited way, for less than a decade - more than half a century ago.

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    realifedad said PINKWASHING >>>>>>>>definition>>>>>>>>>The effort to shed light on one aspect of Israels "democracy", to draw attention away from the many very UNDEMOCRATIC actions against the Palestinians rights under the OCCUPATION and SETTLEMENT THEFT OF LAND.

    The minor aspect of Israels gay rights when held up against the whole picture of all the undemocratic aspects of Israels OCCUPATION is indeed quite pathetic. Rather childlike really, catch a little child at some destructive behavior and he is likely to say something like "but daddy I just fed the doggy like you asked me to" or some other little matter the child can use to distract from the bad behavior. The father will tell th child that whatever good he does is diminished and beside the point in light of the extreme bad behavior of destruction.

    Blind approval of Israels supposed status as a democracy by holding up such as gay rights falls flat and fails totally at impressing the openminded international observer. We all know and read often what Israeli trocities are being conducted on a daily basis that are anything but democratic actions against their victims the Palestinians.

    You Pro Israel members who might want to impress us need to do the patriotic thing by speaking out against the Occupation, the IDF murders of innocent children and peaceful demonstrators whose homes, lands and farms have been taken by Settlements. Then if statements are made about progress in Israels democracy on such small matters as gay rights readers would find it much more palatable. But this defensiveness, denying, and covering up of all the extremely undemocratic actions and then name calling against those who expose those bad actions does nothing but diminish you pro Israeli's cause, your blind AIPAC propagandist defenses only work to further delegitimize and isolate Israels cause. MANY MANY AN ARTICLE HAS BEEN WRITTEN ON THIS POINT BY JEWISH WRITERS ON JEWISH MEDIA.

    Are you Pro Israeli members reading your own peoples writings at all ?

    I'd be willing to bet that if you LIL'AIPAC types made some admissions, decried the Occupation and settlements rather than vehemently defending those actions and stopped the name calling to hush those who expose the truth, that many of us would accept your talking about the good gay aspect of Israel.

    Any of you pro Israeli members willing to accept this reasonable challenge?

    If not, why not ?






    POOR LIL'AIPAC, still stuck in his Israeli AIPAC Propaganda mode, and oh so alone as he ignores fact by wordy non replies as above in his recents posts, STILL HAS QUESTIONS TO ANSWER THAT WHILE HE IGNORES POKES HOLES IN HIS REPETITIVE PROPAGANDA.


    WE ARE WAITING ?