Israeli Defense Forces Posts Photo of Gay Soldiers Holding Hands to Official Facebook Page

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    Jun 18, 2012 4:37 AM GMT
    IanCT saidIt would be so weird that Leeron (Wolverine4) comparing Israel to Palestine about the gay rights. Palestine is at war and under Israel's illegal occupation. Palestine is not a self-governing a sovereign country yet. Wolverine4 is very defensive about the Israel's illegal activities in the Palestinian territories. Sometime he ignores the fact that there is OCCUPATION and it is illegal.

    For starters, the "occupation" is not "illegal".
    An "occupation" is what happens between war and peace.
    The Arab parties were quick to war, lost and have been glacially slow to make peace.
    The slogan/soundbite "occupation" no longer being effective, the trolls now falsely add "illegal" for propaganda purposes.
    All of which has been extensively discussed in topics where that was the subject.
    (Unable to address issues in their place, the anti-Israel trolls are constantly spamming their failed propaganda everywhere else.)

    Getting back to the gay issue, we see the familiar two-phase system of lies.
    First they pretend that gays are doing fine under PA/Hamas rule.
    Then when forced to admit they aren't... they try to blame Israel for that.
    (Then, a week later, they repeat the first lie.)

    Just like they claimed that Jews started the violence in 1948.
    Only to then "explain" why the Arabs started the violence....

    The fact of the matter is that 98% of the Arabs in the disputed territories live under PA or Hamas rule.
    If they wanted to enact protections for gay people, they could have already done so 2 decades ago.
    Just as they were able to pass a racist law making land sale to Jews a capital offense - punishable by death.
    (Because they know, despite the cheap propaganda regurgitations, that Jews didn't "steal" land but bought it).


    So the question remains why the handful of trolls have done nothing to advance the cause of gay right in "Palestine".
    Instead giving us 2 layers of lies about the situation.
    Is it because they hate Jews/Israel more than they care for their gay brethren...?
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    Jun 18, 2012 6:51 AM GMT
    See what did I told you guys?


    Israel's occupation is illegal.

    Israeli Violations of International Law - (6) The current Israeli occupation of Palestinian territories is illegal. Military actions and occupations are considered legal only if they are based on self-defense (as Israel claims), but it is now clear that Israel's occupation is illegal because Israeli implementation of it clearly is about (1) acquisition of land by force, (2) economic exploitation of the occupied communities (both violations of international law), (3) through unwarranted self-serving alterations of local law (also a violation of international law), and (4) in violation of human rights through the practice of collective punishment and (5) the creation of "de facto" annexation also benefitting Israel and at the expense of the local population .

    http://www.israellawresourcecenter.org/

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    Jun 18, 2012 11:41 AM GMT
    I hate to burst everyone's bubble, but according to Haaretz the photo was staged, only one of those guys is actually gay:
    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/report-idf-staged-photo-of-gay-soldiers-on-facebook-page.premium-1.436234
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    jefrank saidI hate to burst everyone's bubble, but according to Haaretz the photo was staged, only one of those guys is actually gay:
    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/report-idf-staged-photo-of-gay-soldiers-on-facebook-page.premium-1.436234

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    Not only was it staged, it was staged for a purpose, that is a propganda act to make the IDF appear more fair and humane. The IDF which has a terrible reputation in its unfair and often violent actions against the Palestinians has a lot to cover up, but this action falls completely flat. Even many Israeli's aren't impressed by their "Pinkwashing".

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    On the ongoing effort to confront LIL'AIPAC (W4) and his minions propaganda >>>

    LIL'AIPAC !!! WE ARE STILL WAITING FOR YOU TO SET ASIDE YOUR PROPAGANDA AND RESPOND TO THE QUESTIONS ? We know you totally depend on repetition of lies and rhetoric to promote your sham causes, but how about being reasonable and answering the questions ?

    realifedad said PINKWASHING >>>>>>>>definition>>>>>>>>>The effort to shed light on one aspect of Israels "democracy", to draw attention away from the many very UNDEMOCRATIC actions against the Palestinians rights under the OCCUPATION and SETTLEMENT THEFT OF LAND.

    The minor aspect of Israels gay rights when held up against the whole picture of all the undemocratic aspects of Israels OCCUPATION is indeed quite pathetic. Rather childlike really, catch a little child at some destructive behavior and he is likely to say something like "but daddy I just fed the doggy like you asked me to" or some other little matter the child can use to distract from the bad behavior. The father will tell th child that whatever good he does is diminished and beside the point in light of the extreme bad behavior of destruction.

    Blind approval of Israels supposed status as a democracy by holding up such as gay rights falls flat and fails totally at impressing the openminded international observer. We all know and read often what Israeli trocities are being conducted on a daily basis that are anything but democratic actions against their victims the Palestinians.

    You Pro Israel members who might want to impress us need to do the patriotic thing by speaking out against the Occupation, the IDF murders of innocent children and peaceful demonstrators whose homes, lands and farms have been taken by Settlements. Then if statements are made about progress in Israels democracy on such small matters as gay rights readers would find it much more palatable. But this defensiveness, denying, and covering up of all the extremely undemocratic actions and then name calling against those who expose those bad actions does nothing but diminish you pro Israeli's cause, your blind AIPAC propagandist defenses only work to further delegitimize and isolate Israels cause. MANY MANY AN ARTICLE HAS BEEN WRITTEN ON THIS POINT BY JEWISH WRITERS ON JEWISH MEDIA.

    Are you Pro Israeli members reading your own peoples writings at all ?

    I'd be willing to bet that if you LIL'AIPAC types made some admissions, decried the Occupation and settlements rather than vehemently defending those actions and stopped the name calling to hush those who expose the truth, that many of us would accept your talking about the good gay aspect of Israel.

    Any of you pro Israeli members willing to accept this reasonable challenge?

    If not, why not ?






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    Jun 18, 2012 4:44 PM GMT
    jefrank saidI hate to burst everyone's bubble, but according to Haaretz the photo was staged, only one of those guys is actually gay.

    As Liev pointed out there is no shortage of gay couples in the IDF, or photos of gays - in uniform! - at pride events.

    Nor is there anything "misleading". The caption reads:

    It's Pride Month. Did you know that the IDF treats all of its soldiers equally?

    Which is correct.

    At most one can claim that a straight person was used to produce a pro-tolerance photo.
    as torrentprime saidThe fact that the guys in the photo aren't gay and are not a couple makes the picture better as far as I'm concerned.
    We don't win these battles without straight allies.

    If only we could or would see such a thing in the other 90% of the countries in the world....

    [Note: the hatists who continue their attacks on Israel rather than address the topic have already exposed themselves....
    If you haven't yet, just put them on "ignore". You'll find a lot of topics will then become readable!]
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    Jun 18, 2012 7:03 PM GMT
    The "occupation" is not "illegal".
    An "occupation" is what happens between war and peace.
    The Arab parties were quick to war, lost and have been glacially slow to make peace.
    The slogan/soundbite "occupation" no longer being effective, the trolls now falsely add "illegal" for propaganda purposes.
    All of which has been extensively discussed in topics where that was the subject.
    (Unable to address issues in their place, the anti-Israel trolls are constantly spamming their failed propaganda everywhere else.)

    IanCT saidBlah blah blah...
    Spam spam spam...


    Note what ianct couldn't address - the topic in this forum?!

    Getting back to the gay issue, we see the familiar two-phase system of lies.
    First they pretend that gays are doing fine under PA/Hamas rule.
    Then when forced to admit they aren't... they try to blame Israel for that.
    (Then, a week later, they repeat the first lie.)

    Just like they claimed that Jews started the violence in 1948.
    Only to then "explain" why the Arabs started the violence....

    The fact of the matter is that 98% of the Arabs in the disputed territories live under PA or Hamas rule.
    If they wanted to enact protections for gay people, they could have already done so 2 decades ago.
    Just as they were able to pass a racist law making land sale to Jews a capital offense - punishable by death.
    (Because they know, despite the cheap propaganda regurgitations, that Jews didn't "steal" land but bought it).

    So the question remains: why have the handful of trolls done nothing to advance the cause of gay rights in "Palestine"?
    Instead giving us 2 layers of lies about the situation.
    Is it because they hate Jews/Israel more than they care for their gay brethren...?

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    jefrank saidI hate to burst everyone's bubble, but according to Haaretz the photo was staged, only one of those guys is actually gay:
    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/report-idf-staged-photo-of-gay-soldiers-on-facebook-page.premium-1.436234

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    Not only was it staged, it was staged for a purpose, that is a propganda act to make the IDF appear more fair and humane. The IDF which has a terrible reputation in its unfair and often violent actions against the Palestinians has a lot to cover up, but this action falls completely flat. Even many Israeli's aren't impressed by their "Pinkwashing".

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    On the ongoing effort to confront LIL'AIPAC (W4) and his minions propaganda >>>

    LIL'AIPAC !!! WE ARE STILL WAITING FOR YOU TO SET ASIDE YOUR PROPAGANDA AND RESPOND TO THE QUESTIONS ? We know you totally depend on repetition of lies and rhetoric to promote your sham causes, but how about being reasonable and answering the questions ?

    realifedad said PINKWASHING >>>>>>>>definition>>>>>>>>>The effort to shed light on one aspect of Israels "democracy", to draw attention away from the many very UNDEMOCRATIC actions against the Palestinians rights under the OCCUPATION and SETTLEMENT THEFT OF LAND.

    The minor aspect of Israels gay rights when held up against the whole picture of all the undemocratic aspects of Israels OCCUPATION is indeed quite pathetic. Rather childlike really, catch a little child at some destructive behavior and he is likely to say something like "but daddy I just fed the doggy like you asked me to" or some other little matter the child can use to distract from the bad behavior. The father will tell th child that whatever good he does is diminished and beside the point in light of the extreme bad behavior of destruction.

    Blind approval of Israels supposed status as a democracy by holding up such as gay rights falls flat and fails totally at impressing the openminded international observer. We all know and read often what Israeli trocities are being conducted on a daily basis that are anything but democratic actions against their victims the Palestinians.

    You Pro Israel members who might want to impress us need to do the patriotic thing by speaking out against the Occupation, the IDF murders of innocent children and peaceful demonstrators whose homes, lands and farms have been taken by Settlements. Then if statements are made about progress in Israels democracy on such small matters as gay rights readers would find it much more palatable. But this defensiveness, denying, and covering up of all the extremely undemocratic actions and then name calling against those who expose those bad actions does nothing but diminish you pro Israeli's cause, your blind AIPAC propagandist defenses only work to further delegitimize and isolate Israels cause. MANY MANY AN ARTICLE HAS BEEN WRITTEN ON THIS POINT BY JEWISH WRITERS ON JEWISH MEDIA.

    Are you Pro Israeli members reading your own peoples writings at all ?

    I'd be willing to bet that if you LIL'AIPAC types made some admissions, decried the Occupation and settlements rather than vehemently defending those actions and stopped the name calling to hush those who expose the truth, that many of us would accept your talking about the good gay aspect of Israel.

    Any of you pro Israeli members willing to accept this reasonable challenge?

    If not, why not ?

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    Above in his latest post LIL'AIPAC just continues to repeat his Propaganda and to spread misinformation to cover up facts.

    Where are the responses to facts ?

    Ignoring them will not take them away, it only delegitimizes and Isolates the liar that keeps forwarding the propaganda in the face of reality.

    LIL'AIPAC tried to tell us that this Democracy Israel takes in Gays from other countries giving them refuge, when according to Israeli Writers this is completely false, not only that but they have been actively deporting refugees from Africa just in these last couple weeks, But LIL'AIPAC has been Pinkwashing to attract attention away from it.

    Lieing and trying to ignore reality in the face of widely known facts should be enough to embarass and hush the iies of most, but not this obnoxious Fanatic Zionist Zealot LIL'AIPAC.

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    Jun 19, 2012 5:41 AM GMT
    lol... me blah blah and spam?

    i guess he has nothing better to say
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    IanCT saidlol... me blah blah and spam?

    i guess he has nothing better to say





    IanCT is it just me or is LIL'AIPAC (W4) really coming unglued with his fanatic Propaganda repetition?

    Somehow he's missed the point that we don't buy into his lies to cover up the truth about what is going on in Israel, he must still think that continuous repetition will somehow make his propaganda lies become believed. Well we know better don't we !!.

    Lets keep asking those questions that LIL'AIPAC is afraid to answer, because he knows the answers and admissions from him totally blow his propaganda coverups.


    LIL'AIPAC, YOU HAVE QUESTIONS TO ANSWER, WE ARE WAITING, SO WHEN MAY WE EXPECT YOUR HONEST ANSWERS ???
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    realifedad said PINKWASHING >>>>>>>>definition>>>>>>>>>The effort to shed light on one aspect of Israels "democracy", to draw attention away from the many very UNDEMOCRATIC actions against the Palestinians rights under the OCCUPATION and SETTLEMENT THEFT OF LAND.

    The minor aspect of Israels gay rights when held up against the whole picture of all the undemocratic aspects of Israels OCCUPATION is indeed quite pathetic. Rather childlike really, catch a little child at some destructive behavior and he is likely to say something like "but daddy I just fed the doggy like you asked me to" or some other little matter the child can use to distract from the bad behavior. The father will tell th child that whatever good he does is diminished and beside the point in light of the extreme bad behavior of destruction.

    Blind approval of Israels supposed status as a democracy by holding up such as gay rights falls flat and fails totally at impressing the openminded international observer. We all know and read often what Israeli trocities are being conducted on a daily basis that are anything but democratic actions against their victims the Palestinians.

    You Pro Israel members who might want to impress us need to do the patriotic thing by speaking out against the Occupation, the IDF murders of innocent children and peaceful demonstrators whose homes, lands and farms have been taken by Settlements. Then if statements are made about progress in Israels democracy on such small matters as gay rights readers would find it much more palatable. But this defensiveness, denying, and covering up of all the extremely undemocratic actions and then name calling against those who expose those bad actions does nothing but diminish you pro Israeli's cause, your blind AIPAC propagandist defenses only work to further delegitimize and isolate Israels cause. MANY MANY AN ARTICLE HAS BEEN WRITTEN ON THIS POINT BY JEWISH WRITERS ON JEWISH MEDIA.

    Are you Pro Israeli members reading your own peoples writings at all ?

    I'd be willing to bet that if you LIL'AIPAC types made some admissions, decried the Occupation and settlements rather than vehemently defending those actions and stopped the name calling to hush those who expose the truth, that many of us would accept your talking about the good gay aspect of Israel.

    Any of you pro Israeli members willing to accept this reasonable challenge?

    If not, why not ?






    POOR LIL'AIPAC, still stuck in his Israeli AIPAC Propaganda mode, and oh so alone as he ignores fact by wordy non replies as above in his recents posts, STILL HAS QUESTIONS TO ANSWER THAT WHILE HE IGNORES POKES HOLES IN HIS REPETITIVE PROPAGANDA.


    WE ARE WAITING ?



    Still repeating propaganda and avoiding answering questions that poke holes in your Propaganda LIL'AIPAC

    Where's your answers ?
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    Jun 19, 2012 10:45 PM GMT
    Funny too that LIL'AIPAC speaks of love for gay brethren then lies about Israel supposedly helping Palestinian and other Arab country's and their gays. When the fact is Israel does not have practice of granting refuge to Palestinian, or other Arabic gays, they turn them away just like they are turning away African Refugees from Tel Iviv, They are being deported as we speak. But of course the Gays in the Military are just an effort to "PINKWASH" over all of these undemocratic actions of Israel.


    I've quoted the backing to my above comments, do you care to respond regarding your lies and propaganda to cover up the facts ?

    WE ARE WAITING LIL'AIPAC ????
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    Jun 20, 2012 5:40 AM GMT
    LIL'AIPAC, accusing folks that disagree with you haters, anti semites, anti jew, anti Israel and Etc. Etc Etc. doesn't make it so. As obnoxious and fanatically dispicable as you are with your Zionsit Zealot Propaganda I for one still don't hate you. Actually I feel sorry for your blindness and being so closeminded that all you can see is your Propaganda lies, you've truely convinced yourself

    Your accusations of Anti Semite and Hate fall flat and as a matter of fact, just as many jewish writers have mentioned in articles on Israeli sites, you do your cause harm by such accusations which are usually just typical AIPAC tactics to shut down criticism and to shut down the truth from getting out.


    Now would you like to answer those points and questions or just keep repeating your lies to cover up Israels atrocities agains the palestinians ?

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    Jun 20, 2012 1:25 PM GMT
    LIL'AIPAC, All of your points above have been addressed and responded to and are based on your repitious propaganda to cover up Israel's real actions,

    You've played this game of finally coming down to repeat performances on several topics where you were cornered with questions and points that completely diminish your Zionist Fanatic Propaganda. How about just cutting through the crap and accusations of hate and anti semitism directed at those who disagree with your propaganda and just answer the questions, It won't hurt you at all. LOL

    We are waiting.


    We know its hard for you to condescend to the Goyim by answering questions so we'll just request you stoop to just one at a time and maybe you can cope with that. The first point being:

    1. Israel does not offer refuge to gays as standard practice from Palestinians nor any other gay refugees seeking asilum from its other Arabic neighbors, in fact Israel is right now deporting African refugees. You have tried to lie and give the impression that Israel readily accepts gays as refugees from Arabic country's. Why are you trying to deceive us ? Don't bother with repeating propaganda because the Israeli record shows otherwise and the attempt certainly appears like PINKWASHING.


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    Jun 20, 2012 5:27 PM GMT
    Getting back to the gay issue, we see the familiar two-phase system of lies.
    First they pretend that gays are doing fine under PA/Hamas rule.
    Then when forced to admit they aren't... they try to blame Israel for that.
    (Then, a week - or hour - later, they again repeat the first lie.)

    Just like they claimed that Jews started the violence in 1948.
    Only to "explain", after being shown wrong, why the Arabs started the violence....
    (Then, a week - or hour - later, they again repeat the first lie.)

    The fact of the matter is that 98% of the Arabs in the disputed territories live under PA or Hamas rule.
    If they wanted to enact protections for gay people, they could have already done so 2 decades ago.
    Just as they were able to pass a racist law making land sale to Jews a capital offense - punishable by death.
    (Because they know, despite the cheap propaganda regurgitations, that Jews didn't "steal" land but bought it).


    So the question remains: why have the handful of trolls done nothing to advance the cause of gay rights in "Palestine"?
    Instead giving us 2 layers of lies about the situation.
    Is it because they hate Jews/Israel more than they care for their gay brethren...?
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    Jun 20, 2012 8:14 PM GMT
    AHHHHH !!! more repitition I see !!! LIL'AIPAC didn't like that idea of two way dialog I see.

    LIL'AIPAC you have questions to answer and points to respond to, we know the answers point to other than your usual propaganda and name calling, but give peace a chance. LOL
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    RLD saidthe attempt certainly appears like PINKWASHING


    You remember the sixties RLD? Let's all sing along now with the Israposse

    "All we are saaaaaaayyyyyyyyyying, is give war a chance"




    LOL !!! Your right here !!! Come to think of it, that's the song they sung over Iraq, and look what a 'smashing success' that was !!! LOL
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    Jun 21, 2012 2:35 AM GMT
    realifedad said LIL'AIPAC, All of your points above have been addressed and responded to and are based on your repitious propaganda to cover up Israel's real actions,

    You've played this game of finally coming down to repeat performances on several topics where you were cornered with questions and points that completely diminish your Zionist Fanatic Propaganda. How about just cutting through the crap and accusations of hate and anti semitism directed at those who disagree with your propaganda and just answer the questions, It won't hurt you at all. LOL

    We are waiting.


    We know its hard for you to condescend to the Goyim by answering questions so we'll just request you stoop to just one at a time and maybe you can cope with that. The first point being:

    1. Israel does not offer refuge to gays as standard practice from Palestinians nor any other gay refugees seeking asilum from its other Arabic neighbors, in fact Israel is right now deporting African refugees. You have tried to lie and give the impression that Israel readily accepts gays as refugees from Arabic country's. Why are you trying to deceive us ? Don't bother with repeating propaganda because the Israeli record shows otherwise and the attempt certainly appears like PINKWASHING.




    Leeron (Wolverine4) why are you lying?
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    Pouncer said
    RLD saidthe attempt certainly appears like PINKWASHING


    You remember the sixties RLD? Let's all sing along now with the Israposse

    "All we are saaaaaaayyyyyyyyyying, is give war a chance"


    All he thinks about "disputed territories" but it is an occupation.
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    Pouncer saidYou remember the sixties RLD? Let's all sing along now with the Israposse

    "All we are saaaaaaayyyyyyyyyying, is give war a chance"

    What an odd comment, coming from someone who opposes negotiations, compromise and peace.
    Instead incessantly pushing his Iranian propaganda seeking to rationalize, justify and perpetuate the war against Israel.

    Revisiting the Clinton Compromise Parameters
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/2271313

    Do you support the Clinton Compromise Parameters?
    Or are you still lying about them to rationalize/justify Arafat's rejection?

    Yalla, Peace!
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1285693

    If you wanted to give peace a chance, why did you boycott this topic for 8 months?

    Remember how I pointed out that the anti-Israel trolls can never discuss the issue of a topic in that topic?
    Instead seeking to disrupt/hijack other topics by regurgitating their already discredited propaganda lies?

    Indeed, AyaTrollah pouncer even attempted to hijack this topic:

    Arab-Israeli COOPERATION: Palestinian Authority Officials receive Agricultural Training in Israel
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/2408708

    What a sick f*ck.
    Was anyone fooled by propaganda pouncer?
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    IanCT> why are you lying?

    I'm not.
    After all, it was you/sxydrkhair who said that lying-for-the-cause is like a white-lie.
    And that those who don't do so are "traitors".

    I guess in a warped way I thank you for quoting RLD because it verifies that he's still blowing crap all over himself. I'm guessing others might be upset, though, because they put him on ignore for a reason (he is now the most ignored person on the system).

    Fine, let's have a little fun:

    RLD> All of your points above have been addressed and responded to

    If this were true, please provide a link to where one could find these answers.
    Or why not just cut-and-paste them here?


    RLD> We know its hard for you to condescend to the Goyim by answering questions

    And you wonder why so many RJers consider you an Anti-Semite?


    RLD> Israel does not offer refuge to gays as standard practice from Palestinians nor any other gay refugees seeking asilum from its other Arabic neighbors... You have tried to lie and give the impression that Israel readily accepts gays as refugees from Arabic country's.

    Note RLD can't quote me making any such claim?

    In RLD's case it may be that he's stupid enough to fall victim to his own lies and then twist what others say so he can pretend they lied.

    What I have said is that Palestinian Arabs seek refuge in Israel.

    I know, a neanderthal like RLD may not understand the difference.
    I wasn't trumpeting Israel as providing "asilum" but exposing the lies that gays live openly and freely in "Palestine".

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/3211772.stm

    Palestinian gays flee to Israel
    The Palestinian gays feel safer on the other side of the border

    A number of gay Palestinian men are risking their lives to cross the border into Israel, claiming they feel safer among Israelis than their own people.

    According to some estimates, there are now 300 gay Palestinian men secretly living and working in Israel.

    Their willingness to live there - despite the risk of being detained and deported as a security threat - is due to Palestinian attitudes towards gay men, they claim.

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    Jun 21, 2012 7:53 PM GMT
    LIL'AIPAC !! for about the 3rd time HERE IS THE ARTICLE based on research from a JEWISH WRITER ON THE ISRAELI SITE HAARETZ NEWS, telling all about how ISRAEL DOES NOT AS A MATTER OF USUAL PRACTICE GIVE REFUGE TO PALESTINIAN GAYS.

    NOW WILL YOU READ IT ? and quit telling your propaganda lies, This Jewish writer dispels Israels Ambassador Orens similar to your propaganda. so here it is again !!


    Here's an article from a Jewish writer on the Israeli HAARETZ NEWS with the writer quite disgusted over "PINKWASHING" by Israels Ambassador, he also lays out the facts that ISRAEL DOES NOT OFFER REFUGE ON ANYWHERE CLOSE TO A REGULAR BASIS FOR PALESTINIAN GAYS SEEKING REFUGE NOR FROM ANY OTHER ARAB NEIGHBORING COUNTRY.



    ARE YOU READING LIL"AIPAC (W4) ? Is this Jewish writer a "HATIST" because he exposes the facts about Israels dismal record ?


    Michael Oren pinkwashes the truth about Israel and gay Palestinians
    The appropriation of gay rights in Israel diverts the conversation from Palestinian oppression in an attempt to present Israel as a liberal democracy.
    By Aeyal Gross May.09, 2012 | 6:23 PM | 6

    "Israel did not fight for the rights of gays, not in the sixties nor in the seventies. Only at the end of the eighties and in the nineties, in the wake of vigorous activism on the part of members of the LGBT community and a small number of politicians who supported them, did any progress take place. This included the cancelation of the criminality of homosexual intercourse and the creation of a law and a ruling that would prevent discrimination. Now, said progress, part real and part imagined, is being appropriated for Israeli hasbara.

    Not only is the LGBT community being appropriated, but so are the Palestinians. Oren claimed in his speech that Israel provide asylum for LGBT Palestinian organizations that cannot freely operate in the territories. In reality, Israel has refused to take in LGBT Palestinians. A report published in 2008 by the Refugee Rights Clinic of Tel Aviv University describes Israel's refusal to even weigh the requests for asylum by LGBT Palestinians. While the headquarters of two LGBT Palestinian organizations that operate in both Israel and in the West Bank are located in Israel, the state does not give them "shelter," and their appropriation for Israel's propaganda needs is outrageous – not only because of the ongoing oppression of Palestinians in Israel and in the territories, but also because the appropriation is done in order to divert the conversation from Palestinian oppression in an attempt to present Israel as a liberal democracy.

    The protesters, among them Israelis, were right to blame Oren for what is known across the world as "pinkwashing." Now, with Pride Month is just around the corner, the question that the Israeli LGBT community faces is whether or not it will participate in Oren's tactics, under the framework known as "homo-nationalism," or to celebrate the achievements and progress toward equality of the LGBT community in Israel, out of a commitment to equality for anyone who suffers oppression and discrimination, including the Palestinian community. "






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    Jun 21, 2012 7:59 PM GMT
    I note above LIL'AIPAC that you like to mince words as if that proves your propaganda point, so I used the word 'asylum' and you used the word 'refuge', I also used the word 'refuge' to refer to ISRAEL DOES NOT PROVIDE REFUGE FOR PALESTINIAN GAYS AS A STANDARD PRACTICE, in fact their practice as the above jewish writer exposes is to turn them away. ISRAEL IS NOT THE PRO DEMOCRACY 'SAVIOR' IN THE MIDDLE EAST WHERE ARABIC GAYS SEEKING REFUGE CAN COME FOR HELP.

    Your point is to trott out Israel as the Pro Gay Democracy in the Middle East, what is your motive and what good is it to promote Israels 'Gay' love when they won't give refuge? Your trying to tell us all with your Propaganda what a gleaming example of democracy Israel is and facts are that they are not of much value, in fact most of their actions having to do with the Occupation and Settlement theft of land are anything but democratic, the IDF allowing a few gays is not help when they abuse, mistreat, beat and etc. Palestinians unecessarily and are regularly in trouble for it and jailing Palestinians without charges .

    Wake up LIL'AIPAC, when your trying to make points in favor of your propaganda by mincing words, you are embarassing your cause, you are not making any headway in making the overall Undemocratic actions of Israel look any better by your efforts, nor is your name calling and demeaning treatment of the 'Goyim' you end up just giving more evidence that your an arrogant pain in the ass. LOL
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    Jun 21, 2012 8:32 PM GMT
    LIL'AIPAC quoted RLD> We know its hard for you to condescend to the Goyim by answering questions

    And you wonder why so many RJers consider you an Anti-Semite?



    How the hell does my statement about your treating RJ members who point out the falacies of your Propaganda as "Goyim" (beneath you, as in 'ignore the 'goyim', their opinions don't count, they are stupid, dumb like cattle only to be used) have anything to do with the 'Anti Semite' charge ? There you go again using that false charge which just throws a bad light on your cause. How do you think throwing out this charge so quickly helps your cause at all? Perhaps you should read the several articles from Jewish writers on Haaretz news about the harm of overusing the Anti Semite charge.

    The problem is your treatment of RJ'rs as "GOYIM", not my pointing it out. All anyone has to do is know what the word means, then read your usual fare of name calling and demeaning words to understand my point completely. That problem belongs to you, pointing it out does not show anti anything.
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    Jun 22, 2012 7:37 PM GMT
    sxydrkhair is a palestinian-american and he likes Israel more than me. I've had a lot of experiences when I was living in bethlehem last year with my boyfriend. nothing like what you're saying.

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    I'm not. After all, it was you/sxydrkhair who said that lying-for-the-cause is like a white-lie.


    no... we never say that... you made that up... (like always) icon_rolleyes.gif