Israeli Defense Forces Posts Photo of Gay Soldiers Holding Hands to Official Facebook Page

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    Jun 22, 2012 9:30 PM GMT
    IanCT saidsxydrkhair is a palestinian-american and he likes Israel more than me. I've had a lot of experiences when I was living in bethlehem last year with my boyfriend. nothing like what you're saying.

    Wolverine4 said
    I'm not. After all, it was you/sxydrkhair who said that lying-for-the-cause is like a white-lie.


    no... we never say that... you made that up... (like always) icon_rolleyes.gif




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    IanCT, I have to congratulate you on how well you take and handle this LIL'AIPAC here at RJ, having been through what you have at the hands of such hate filled Zionist Fanatics in your home town Bethleham, I cannot imagine being so patient as you have been with this LIL'AIPAC Hatist.

    If just 1 out of 10 Israeli's are anywhere near to being as obnoxious and one sided with their rhetoric as LIL'AIPAC is here on RJ, it must be very hard indeed to keep your temper in dealing with them. Fortunately I take it that in general the Israeli population ore fair minded, its the minority that are like the example LIL AIPAC.

    You and all Palestinians who put up with such people, their lies, their treating Palestinian as "GOYIM" and the even worse treatment by the settlers and the IDF who guard them as they mistreat the locals with US arms and amunition, must have whats called 'the patience of the saints'. Bless you and your family Ian !!! You have my sympathies.

    As one Jewish writer on the Israeli site Haaretz News says. There's "a special place in hell" for such people as the fanatic LIL'AIPAC who respects no one unless they favor his Propaganda. He can say all he wants trying to make Israels acceptance of a few gays as a 'shining example of Democracy in the Middle East, but most of us know that to be a bare faced lie in light of all the atrocities committed at the direction of its leadership.
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    realifedad said
    IanCT saidsxydrkhair is a palestinian-american and he likes Israel more than me. I've had a lot of experiences when I was living in bethlehem last year with my boyfriend. nothing like what you're saying.

    Wolverine4 said
    I'm not. After all, it was you/sxydrkhair who said that lying-for-the-cause is like a white-lie.


    no... we never say that... you made that up... (like always) icon_rolleyes.gif




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    IanCT, I have to congratulate you on how well you take and handle this LIL'AIPAC here at RJ, having been through what you have at the hands of such hate filled Zionist Fanatics in your home town Bethleham, I cannot imagine being so patient as you have been with this LIL'AIPAC Hatist.

    If just 1 out of 10 Israeli's are anywhere near to being as obnoxious and one sided with their rhetoric as LIL'AIPAC is here on RJ, it must be very hard indeed to keep your temper in dealing with them. Fortunately I take it that in general the Israeli population ore fair minded, its the minority that are like the example LIL AIPAC.

    You and all Palestinians who put up with such people, their lies, their treating Palestinian as "GOYIM" and the even worse treatment by the settlers and the IDF who guard them as they mistreat the locals with US arms and amunition, must have whats called 'the patience of the saints'. Bless you and your family Ian !!! You have my sympathies.

    As one Jewish writer on the Israeli site Haaretz News says. There's "a special place in hell" for such people as the fanatic LIL'AIPAC who respects no one unless they favor his Propaganda. He can say all he wants trying to make Israels acceptance of a few gays as a 'shining example of Democracy in the Middle East, but most of us know that to be a bare faced lie in light of all the atrocities committed at the direction of its leadership.


    LIL AIPAC (Wolverine4) = Hasbara
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    Jun 24, 2012 2:33 AM GMT


    Israeli Soldier Holds Hunger Strike in Solidarity With Palestinians in Detention

    - Common Dreams staff



    An Israeli Defense Forces soldier has begun a hunger strike to show solidarity with Palestinian administrative detainees.

    Families of detainees hold a sit-in at Unknown Solider's Square (al-Jundi) in Gaza in support of Palestinian prisoners' movement hunger strike. (photo: Joe Catron)

    The soldier, Yaniv Mazor, is currently in military prison for refusing to serve in part of an "occupation army."

    Ann Harrison of Amnesty International has said, “Israel has used its system of administrative detention – intended as an exceptional measure against people posing an extreme and imminent danger to security – to trample on the human rights of detainees for decades. It is a relic that should be put out to pasture.”


    Oh BUT LIL'AIPAC and his Zionist Propaganda artists will tell us that we just hate Israel and want to see it fail, we hate Jews and are anti semitic or we wouldn't expose these facts.

    LIL'AIPAC would tell us that the above is beside the point, The IDF allows Gays in the military so that "washes" away any negatives like holding Palestinians infefinately without being charged. In other words LIL'AIPAC "PINKWASHES" the many IDF despotic acts because they allow Gays to serve.

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    Jun 24, 2012 7:47 AM GMT
    Pouncer said
    SxyDrkHair said
    IanCT saidsxydrkhair is a palestinian-american and he likes Israel more than me.


    I am not taking sides Ian. It is true that Israel is the only country in the Middle East has LGBT rights. It is also true that there is pink-washing in Israel. It is true that Israel's unsympathetic and unbending policy towards gay Palestinians. When Wolverine4 is comparing between Israel and Palestine about the LGBT rights, then we all know that is pathetic because the Palestinian territories remained under Israeli military control.

    I support Palestine all the way! woohoo!


    Amen to that!


    x 2, great one
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    Jun 24, 2012 7:48 AM GMT
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    Israeli Soldier Holds Hunger Strike in Solidarity With Palestinians in Detention

    - Common Dreams staff



    An Israeli Defense Forces soldier has begun a hunger strike to show solidarity with Palestinian administrative detainees.

    Families of detainees hold a sit-in at Unknown Solider's Square (al-Jundi) in Gaza in support of Palestinian prisoners' movement hunger strike. (photo: Joe Catron)

    The soldier, Yaniv Mazor, is currently in military prison for refusing to serve in part of an "occupation army."

    Ann Harrison of Amnesty International has said, “Israel has used its system of administrative detention – intended as an exceptional measure against people posing an extreme and imminent danger to security – to trample on the human rights of detainees for decades. It is a relic that should be put out to pasture.”


    Oh BUT LIL'AIPAC and his Zionist Propaganda artists will tell us that we just hate Israel and want to see it fail, we hate Jews and are anti semitic or we wouldn't expose these facts.

    LIL'AIPAC would tell us that the above is beside the point, The IDF allows Gays in the military so that "washes" away any negatives like holding Palestinians infefinately without being charged. In other words LIL'AIPAC "PINKWASHES" the many IDF despotic acts because they allow Gays to serve.



    Like LIL'AIPAC cares?
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    Jun 24, 2012 7:50 AM GMT
    yourname2000 said@Ian: are you saying Wolverine is a douche? icon_razz.gif


    Yes totally!! icon_lol.gif
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    Jun 25, 2012 6:04 AM GMT
    So much blathering above (along with the requisite personal attacks), yet so little substance.

    Getting back to the gay issue, we see the familiar two-phase system of lies.
    First they pretend that gays are doing fine under PA/Hamas rule.
    Then when forced to admit they aren't... they try to blame Israel for that.
    (Then, a week - or hour - later, they again repeat the first lie.)


    Just like they claimed that Jews started the violence in 1948.
    Only to "explain", after being shown wrong, why the Arabs started the violence....
    (Then, a week - or hour - later, they again repeat the first lie.)

    The fact of the matter is that 98% of the Arabs in the disputed territories live under PA or Hamas rule.
    If they wanted to enact protections for gay people, they could have already done so 2 decades ago.
    Just as they were able to pass a racist law making land sale to Jews a capital offense - punishable by death.
    (Because they know, despite the cheap propaganda regurgitations, that Jews didn't "steal" land but bought it).


    So the question remains: why have the handful of trolls done nothing to advance the cause of gay rights in "Palestine"?
    Instead giving us 2 layers of lies about the situation.
    Is it because they hate Jews/Israel more than they care for their gay brethren...?
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    Jun 25, 2012 2:49 PM GMT
    IanCT said
    realifedad said

    Israeli Soldier Holds Hunger Strike in Solidarity With Palestinians in Detention

    - Common Dreams staff



    An Israeli Defense Forces soldier has begun a hunger strike to show solidarity with Palestinian administrative detainees.

    Families of detainees hold a sit-in at Unknown Solider's Square (al-Jundi) in Gaza in support of Palestinian prisoners' movement hunger strike. (photo: Joe Catron)

    The soldier, Yaniv Mazor, is currently in military prison for refusing to serve in part of an "occupation army."

    Ann Harrison of Amnesty International has said, “Israel has used its system of administrative detention – intended as an exceptional measure against people posing an extreme and imminent danger to security – to trample on the human rights of detainees for decades. It is a relic that should be put out to pasture.”


    Oh BUT LIL'AIPAC and his Zionist Propaganda artists will tell us that we just hate Israel and want to see it fail, we hate Jews and are anti semitic or we wouldn't expose these facts.

    LIL'AIPAC would tell us that the above is beside the point, The IDF allows Gays in the military so that "washes" away any negatives like holding Palestinians infefinately without being charged. In other words LIL'AIPAC "PINKWASHES" the many IDF despotic acts because they allow Gays to serve.



    Like LIL'AIPAC cares?




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    Well your right about that IanCT !! But in the process of his showing how little he cares about facts, and by mearly repeating his propaganda 'ad nauseum' without answering questions or responding civily without his Hatist accusations, all LIL'AIPAC accomplishes for his cause is showing just how obnoxious his ilk is at lieing for their cause. After all to LIL'AIPAC's way of thinking "WHY RESPOND TO THE GOYIM".. LOL !! He's the perfect example of why there is no peace with the likeminded Israeli Leadership.

    We'll keep exposing facts which give this Zionist Fanatic LIL'AIPAC more opportunities to show just how prejudiced his propaganda has made him against Palestinians, his reactions only hurts his own cause and strengthens ours.
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    Jun 26, 2012 3:18 AM GMT
    Pouncer saidYou remember the sixties RLD? Let's all sing along now with the Israposse

    "All we are saaaaaaayyyyyyyyyying, is give war a chance"

    What an odd comment, coming from someone who opposes negotiations, compromise and peace.
    Instead incessantly pushing his Iranian propaganda seeking to rationalize, justify and perpetuate the war against Israel.

    Revisiting the Clinton Compromise Parameters
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/2271313

    Do you support the Clinton Compromise Parameters?
    Or are you still lying about them to rationalize/justify Arafat's rejection?

    Yalla, Peace!
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1285693

    If you wanted to give peace a chance, why did you boycott this topic for 8 months?
    Only to then start your anti-peace spam propaganda campaign?

    Remember how I pointed out that the anti-Israel trolls can never discuss the issue of a topic in that topic?
    Instead seeking to disrupt/hijack other topics by regurgitating their already discredited propaganda lies?

    Indeed, AyaTrollah pouncer even attempted to hijack this topic:

    Arab-Israeli COOPERATION: Palestinian Authority Officials receive Agricultural Training in Israel
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/2408708

    What a sick f*ck.
    No one is fooled by propaganda pouncer.
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    Jun 26, 2012 5:01 PM GMT
    It was ianct/sxydrkhair who said that lying-for-the-cause is like a white-lie.
    And that those who don't do so are "traitors".
    Furthermore that his deleting inconvenient facts from a Wikipedia article makes it more "fair".
    (You know, like removing facts about hitler is ok because the article is otherwise "unfair" to him.)

    Documenting these lies is simple and I can come up with hundreds of instances.

    For example:

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/960691#54845_964449_name

    Indeed, there is even a topic devoted to a collection of some of their most absurdly entertaining claims:

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1443151

    Yet they persist, completely out-of-touch with how most RJers perceive them.
    For example:

    CrankyMcBadass [to AyaTrollah pouncer]> All around shitty excuse for a human being

    TrentGrad> RLD, you didn't even address what c4 said...and you never do!
    TrentGrad> The personal remarks in particular are getting really abusive!

    TexDef07> Crude illiterate writing is so often the vehicle for equally crude thinking.
    As they always have, antisemitism and ignorance go hand in hand.

    TroyAthlete> Reallifedad hates Jews. That is well known from long ago.

    SkittleGangsta> Your grammar is excruciating. I can't read this

    Don_FitAndBi [to sxydrkhair]> Do you even see how dishonest you are?

    GuerrillaSodomite> [sxydrkhair] start[s] out with a declaration... that he wants everyone to believe and then attempts to fabricate the history to support this. When caught in this, he changes the story like he never told the lie in the first place.

    GS> The dumbfuckery alone of some of the opposing/anti-Israel posts makes me want to convert and become a rabid Zionist just to further piss these idiots off. Seriously people, can you make an argument and not sound like a howling half retarded rabid baboon?

    MenschPress> I find W4's usage of logic, math, and his nicely-arranged lists of checkable claims of fact to be far more compelling than your blanket flame of him. Is there a specific factual claim he has made which you would dispute? I'd love to see a discussion focused on facts.

    Why is it that in topic after topic they flee from "a discussion focused on facts", also seeking to divert/hijack topics or, at best, make them unreadable (to those who haven't "ignored" them) by seeking to drown out facts with their "rabid howling"?
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    Jun 26, 2012 10:21 PM GMT
    Now LIL'AIPAC is still avoiding responding to questions and points that totally wipe out his propaganda tales and for some reason is dregging up others name calling to come up with support for just jimself and more repetitions of that same old tired Propaganda and accusations of "hatist", Anti this and Anti that. This is really quite pathetic !!!



    Now here's a fact LIL'AIPAC



    You cannot have it both ways !!!


    You cannot support the Clinton Parameters for a Palestinian independent state next to the State of Israel, while still holding to your far right Zionist Zealot beliefs that:

    (1) Palestinians homeland is in Jordan and not in the West Bank,

    (2) moving Palestinians off their property for Settlement Building and buffer zones for Isreli security(which is against the international law) is the right path for Israel to take against them.

    (3) the West Bank is only for the Jews and the Palestinians are squaters on the Israeli Homeland


    Your Father wrote and article which from your writings here, you quite apparently agree with titled. (paraphrased) "Why do Palesinians need a second homeland"


    So which is it LIL'AIPAC, do you hold to 1.2. & 3 above? or do you want to tell us that you want an Independent Palestinian State starting at the 67' lines with agreed upon swaps, next to the state of Isreal in the West Bank With contiguous access to the Gaza Strip ?

    Continueing to ignore and just repeat your propaganda and name calling only hurts your cause and shows your lack of willingness for have open dialog and compromise.


    We are still waiting ?
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    Jun 28, 2012 5:29 PM GMT
    See also:

    They're Here, They're Queer, It's No Big Deal
    Gay Israelis have been serving openly in the military for 17 years, and their country is safer for it.

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/2457141

    http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2010/02/03/theyre_here_theyre_queer_its_no_big_deal
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    Jun 28, 2012 7:55 PM GMT
    [quote][cite]Wolverine4 said[/cite]See also:


    Now LIL'AIPAC is still avoiding responding to questions and points that totally wipe out his propaganda tales and for some reason is dregging up others name calling to come up with support for just jimself and more repetitions of that same old tired Propaganda and accusations of "hatist", Anti this and Anti that. This is really quite pathetic !!!



    Now here's a fact LIL'AIPAC



    You cannot have it both ways !!!


    You cannot support the Clinton Parameters for a Palestinian independent state next to the State of Israel, while still holding to your far right Zionist Zealot beliefs that:

    (1) Palestinians homeland is in Jordan and not in the West Bank,

    (2) moving Palestinians off their property for Settlement Building and buffer zones for Isreli security(which is against the international law) is the right path for Israel to take against them.

    (3) the West Bank is only for the Jews and the Palestinians are squaters on the Israeli Homeland


    Your Father wrote and article which from your writings here, you quite apparently agree with titled. (paraphrased) "Why do Palesinians need a second homeland"


    So which is it LIL'AIPAC, do you hold to 1.2. & 3 above? or do you want to tell us that you want an Independent Palestinian State starting at the 67' lines with agreed upon swaps, next to the state of Isreal in the West Bank With contiguous access to the Gaza Strip ?

    Continueing to ignore and just repeat your propaganda and name calling only hurts your cause and shows your lack of willingness for have open dialog and compromise.


    We are still waiting ?

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    What's the matter LIL'AIPAC, ? Now that the questions point out the hypocrisy of your statements above, you want to change the subject again ?

    Do you fear admitting the truth ?


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    gayidf.jpg

    lgbt-idf.jpg

    Israelis-Kiss.jpg Ha Ha the old geezer snapping a pic!!

    1293274.jpg Just a cutie!

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    Jul 10, 2012 9:15 PM GMT
    You lose... PINKWASHING! HASBARA - pro-Israel propaganda

    mouillepoint thinks there is no apartheid in the West Bank. He claimed that he is from South Africa. lol What a joke.

    Hebron's Shuhada street is a good example dividing Palestinians and illegal Israeli settlers.
    Hebron_shuhada.jpg

    Palestinians only can walk on the left.
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    Jul 10, 2012 9:21 PM GMT
    THE TRUTH



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    Jul 11, 2012 5:42 AM GMT
    ROTFL. People like ianct still don't realize that this is a discussion of gay issues on a gay site.
    (On FB, one of sxydrkhair's profiles claims to be str8. Are they telling the truth here, or there?)

    Getting back to the gay issue, we see the familiar two-phase system of lies.
    First they pretend that gays are doing fine under PA/Hamas rule.
    Then when forced to admit they aren't... they try to blame Israel for that.
    (Then, a week - or hour - later, they again repeat the first lie.)


    Just like they claimed that Jews started the violence in 1948.
    Only to "explain", after being shown wrong, why the Arabs started the violence....
    (Then, a week - or hour - later, they again repeat the first lie.)

    The fact of the matter is that 98% of the Arabs in the disputed territories live under PA or Hamas rule.
    If they wanted to enact protections for gay people, they could have already done so 2 decades ago.
    Just as they were able to pass a racist law making land sale to Jews a capital offense - punishable by death.
    (Because they know, despite the cheap propaganda regurgitations, that Jews didn't "steal" land but bought it).


    So the question remains: why have the handful of trolls done nothing to advance the cause of gay rights in "Palestine"?
    Instead giving us 2 layers of lies about the situation.
    Is it because they hate Jews/Israel more than they care for their gay brethren...?
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    Jul 11, 2012 5:50 AM GMT
    realifedad said[quote][cite]Wolverine4 said[/cite]See also:


    Now LIL'AIPAC is still avoiding responding to questions and points that totally wipe out his propaganda tales and for some reason is dregging up others name calling to come up with support for just jimself and more repetitions of that same old tired Propaganda and accusations of "hatist", Anti this and Anti that. This is really quite pathetic !!!



    Now here's a fact LIL'AIPAC



    You cannot have it both ways !!!


    You cannot support the Clinton Parameters for a Palestinian independent state next to the State of Israel, while still holding to your far right Zionist Zealot beliefs that:

    (1) Palestinians homeland is in Jordan and not in the West Bank,

    (2) moving Palestinians off their property for Settlement Building and buffer zones for Isreli security(which is against the international law) is the right path for Israel to take against them.

    (3) the West Bank is only for the Jews and the Palestinians are squaters on the Israeli Homeland


    Your Father wrote and article which from your writings here, you quite apparently agree with titled. (paraphrased) "Why do Palesinians need a second homeland"


    So which is it LIL'AIPAC, do you hold to 1.2. & 3 above? or do you want to tell us that you want an Independent Palestinian State starting at the 67' lines with agreed upon swaps, next to the state of Isreal in the West Bank With contiguous access to the Gaza Strip ?

    Continueing to ignore and just repeat your propaganda and name calling only hurts your cause and shows your lack of willingness for have open dialog and compromise.


    We are still waiting ?

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    What's the matter LIL'AIPAC, ? Now that the questions point out the hypocrisy of your statements above, you want to change the subject again ?

    Do you fear admitting the truth ?




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    HERE WE GO AGAIN LIL'AIPAC, you change the subject, then refuse to answer questions based on what you stated, then leave the topic for about ten days or so and come back and accuse others of being off topic. You've done this so many times we've lost tract of them all.


    SO LIL'AIPAC, WE ARE STILL WAITING FOR YOUR RESPONSES

    Remember, LIL'AIPAC, Facts exposed about you, that you refuse to respond to will not go away, ignoring them only weakens your positions to the readers.who read all posts. YOU EMBARASS YOUR CAUSE BY YOUR TACTICS !!!
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    Jul 11, 2012 6:14 AM GMT
    IanCT saidTHE TRUTH









    IanCT, thank you very much for these vids, I particularly liked that second one where a very handsome and intelligent and 'apparent' israeli expressed what we have been trying to get across to this LIL'AIPAC (W4).

    LIL'AIPAC of course completely ignored the vid and refuses to respond. I have to wonder, does he really think he's impressing anyone with these tactics ? The rest of us are paying attention to all sides and he's like a needle stuck on a record in one groove,

    LIL'AIPAC personifies the ilk in Israel and the ISRAELI LOBBY AIPAC whose blindness keeps ahold of he status quo and in the end blocks all hopes of peace.


    Thanks again for that vid, I know that there are majorities in Israel who like that Israeli young man are peace loving and reasonable. if it were up to his like minded Israeli's there woud be peace rather than Settlement theft of land.

    But then the LIL'AIPAC ILK are the louder and more organized with finacial backing to promote the status quo Occupation and theft of Palestinian land for settlements to the detriment of peace. LIL'AIPAC keeps saying he likes the 'Clinton Parameters' and then out of the other side of his mouth beleives that Palestinians don't even belong in Palestine. What Hypocrites !!!