Cut vs. Uncut, where is the data for STD risk being less for cut guys?

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    Jul 29, 2008 8:44 PM GMT
    XRuggerATX said
    healthseeker saidI think the abrasions could come from the foreskin being pulled, pinched or torn whereas the glans is more, ahh, aerodynamic.
    You're right about the cdc but I think they are the ones that released the study most recently, though mainly focused on sub-saharan Africa.


    OK full disclosure here. When I've barebacked (don't attach a stigma guys...a thoroughly tested, monogamous, and unconditionally trusting relationship, it was) some of the sex got pretty rough and lasted a long time. But I've never once seen an abrasion, tear, or pinch. No broken skin. But my cut friend showed me an abrasion on his dick once from a long BB session with his girlfriend. I know...lots of anatomical variables at play here, but I guess that's my point. You can blindly follow statistics and end up disappointed in some way, or you can trust your own intelligent mind to gather multiple sources of information and then make a confident, common-sense decision.

    One thing is for sure. No blades below my neck ever. I don't care what the government or a bunch of guys citing questionable sources try and tell me. Thankfully, most of the world is uncut and most guys I've known are into uncut guys.





    The abrasions are not always visible.
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    Jul 29, 2008 8:49 PM GMT
    RedSoxFever33 said
    XRuggerATX said
    healthseeker saidI think the abrasions could come from the foreskin being pulled, pinched or torn whereas the glans is more, ahh, aerodynamic.
    You're right about the cdc but I think they are the ones that released the study most recently, though mainly focused on sub-saharan Africa.


    OK full disclosure here. When I've barebacked (don't attach a stigma guys...a thoroughly tested, monogamous, and unconditionally trusting relationship, it was) some of the sex got pretty rough and lasted a long time. But I've never once seen an abrasion, tear, or pinch. No broken skin. But my cut friend showed me an abrasion on his dick once from a long BB session with his girlfriend. I know...lots of anatomical variables at play here, but I guess that's my point. You can blindly follow statistics and end up disappointed in some way, or you can trust your own intelligent mind to gather multiple sources of information and then make a confident, common-sense decision.

    One thing is for sure. No blades below my neck ever. I don't care what the government or a bunch of guys citing questionable sources try and tell me. Thankfully, most of the world is uncut and most guys I've known are into uncut guys.





    The abrasions are not always visible.


    Fair enough. Invisible, whether glans, foreskin, tongue, middle finger...etc.
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    Jul 29, 2008 10:44 PM GMT
    I shower twice a day and there is no cheese! The idea of pulling back the foreskin to clean there is not novel to many Latin Americans, and for the record most of the world is uncut....And before sex I would wash up anyways, it's like washing your hands before eating no?icon_lol.gif

    Look up botched circumcisions, it is what keeps me from wanting any of my kids (in future) to ever have any laser close down there. You do know it is the residents and not the trained doctors that usually do the surgery to "practice." icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jul 29, 2008 10:50 PM GMT
    i have not seen uncut penis for ages ...

    i think the last time i saw an uncut penis was when i was in elementary school ...

    well, me & my boyfriend are both cut ...

    so, how does an uncut penis look like? ... ha ha ha ...
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    Jul 29, 2008 11:05 PM GMT
    RedSoxFever33 said
    XRuggerATX said
    healthseeker saidI think the abrasions could come from the foreskin being pulled, pinched or torn whereas the glans is more, ahh, aerodynamic.
    You're right about the cdc but I think they are the ones that released the study most recently, though mainly focused on sub-saharan Africa.


    OK full disclosure here. When I've barebacked (don't attach a stigma guys...a thoroughly tested, monogamous, and unconditionally trusting relationship, it was) some of the sex got pretty rough and lasted a long time. But I've never once seen an abrasion, tear, or pinch. No broken skin. But my cut friend showed me an abrasion on his dick once from a long BB session with his girlfriend. I know...lots of anatomical variables at play here, but I guess that's my point. You can blindly follow statistics and end up disappointed in some way, or you can trust your own intelligent mind to gather multiple sources of information and then make a confident, common-sense decision.

    One thing is for sure. No blades below my neck ever. I don't care what the government or a bunch of guys citing questionable sources try and tell me. Thankfully, most of the world is uncut and most guys I've known are into uncut guys.





    The abrasions are not always visible.


    Backing up a bit now, if you've participated in this thread to feel better or more confident about your decision to get cut later in life based on the advice of one urologist and the WebMD site (brought to you by CBS television network), I'm afraid you'll get no validation from me, nor can I be convinced. Obviously I would not have made that move.

    If that all seems a bit pointed, understand that perpetuating a myth that uncut dicks stink or are diseased only pisses off the vast majority of hygenic uncut guys.

    If someone had a nasty habit like licking dirty pavement every two hours, they could do one of two things. They could stop licking the pavement and adopt cleaner habits, or they could do something like cut off their tongue or wire their jaw shut.
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    Jul 29, 2008 11:18 PM GMT
    I've been with one cut guy, didn't exactly know what to do with iticon_confused.gif


    Are uncut European guys a big turn off in the US?
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    Jul 29, 2008 11:20 PM GMT
    I know I'll catch hell for this one but; the cut guys usually taste better.
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    Jul 29, 2008 11:22 PM GMT
    John43620 saidI know I'll catch hell for this one but; the cut guys usually taste better.


    Ironically, I prefer cut guys, but it's more of a penis-as-sculpture thing I guess.
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    Jul 29, 2008 11:29 PM GMT
    I would recommend you wash anything you're about to put into your mouth...cut or uncut. icon_rolleyes.gif

    I have no real preference for either, both my bfs were cut and I am uncut so no big deal to me. I just hate the citing of that CDC study as some sort of proof.

    I will never have my kids have the surgery or do it as an adult.
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    Jul 29, 2008 11:29 PM GMT
    XRuggerATX saidIf that all seems a bit pointed, understand that perpetuating a myth that uncut dicks stink or are diseased only pisses off the vast majority of hygenic uncut guys.


    Exactly. Thank you, XRugger.

    As for "...D*ck cheese...etc..." from RedSox, this sounds like a worst-case scenario list drummed up to prop up a decision already made and never to be revisited.

    My own preferences have nothing to do with uncut or cut. Either works and fits for me... icon_biggrin.gif

    However, I have yet to have an issue with hygiene with my uncut member...it is clean because I am conscious of the hygiene issues.
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    Jul 29, 2008 11:38 PM GMT
    Not participating to feel better about my decision XRuggerATX. That decision was totally mine because of the health issues it was causing me. Honestly I dont need anyone's validation because it is in fact my own penis. Hey you're UC more power to you. Im simply stating what i have learned from my doc, WebMD and the oh lets says 7 or 8 doctor friends i have(NYU grads like me wink wink)


    You choose to keep your extra skin more power to you. I was just answering Chuy2010. Trust me i probably know more about this subject than any person on this thread because

    1. I have the TRUE view from both sides (cut and uncut)

    2. I took over 6 years to research this decision...


    i didn't just walk in the doc's office one day and say "hey cut off this extra skin please" lol
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    Jul 29, 2008 11:53 PM GMT
    RedSoxFever33 saidNot participating to feel better about my decision XRuggerATX. That decision was totally mine because of the health issues it was causing me. Honestly I dont need anyone's validation because it is in fact my own penis. Hey you're UC more power to you. Im simply stating what i have learned from my doc, WebMD and the oh lets says 7 or 8 doctor friends i have(NYU grads like me wink wink)


    You choose to keep your extra skin more power to you. I was just answering Chuy2010. Trust me i probably know more about this subject than any person on this thread because

    1. I have the TRUE view from both sides (cut and uncut)

    2. I took over 6 years to research this decision...


    i didn't just walk in the doc's office one day and say "hey cut off this extra skin please" lol


    Fair enough. But back off on the dickcheese and smelly talk will ya? Some of us clean guys might wanna get laid for chrissakes! ;-)
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    Jul 29, 2008 11:54 PM GMT
    LOL true! Sorry XRuggerATX (hug and kiss) icon_smile.gif
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    Jul 30, 2008 3:42 AM GMT
    Googling "circumcision reduces STDs" will net you a vast swath of news articles detailing how, all other things considered equal, being circumcised reduced susceptibility to STDs (primarily HIV, but several other prominent ones were mentioned also). Among those articles they will point to a few common reputably performed studies -- including one that was conducted over a 25 year span among several hundred new zealand boys growing up. So the data is there for reduced STD susceptibility but it is still not completely airtight in why that is. Some theories have been advanced all pointing to certain lymph-associated cells on the foreskin allowing sexually transmitted viruses an easier route to their target nerve cells and so forth.

    Nonetheless, while being circumcised may reduce the chances of acquiring an STD by no means should it be a dependable method of protection. The safest route while engaging in sex would be to use a condom and so long as true safe sex is practiced there really isn't much concern whether or not a guy is circumcised or uncircumcised.
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    Jul 30, 2008 3:47 AM GMT
    I'm not so much concerned about STD risk as controlling my urge to inflate the loose foreskin on a flacid penis and try to make balloon animals out of it.icon_biggrin.gif
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    Jul 30, 2008 1:57 PM GMT
    RedSoxFever33 saidfirst off being of a man of both experiences personally (cut and uncut) being uncut is a breeding ground for bacteria. My urologist( who is Fu**ing hot) informed me of this. Which prompted me to make the decision i made 2 years ago.

    It's because of how "warm" it gets down there which cause the bacteria to form.


    Examples....

    D*ck Cheese

    Sometime distasteful smell


    Three words: SOAP AND WATER! Man, why is it Americans are so willing to lop bits off of penises because they're too bloody lazy to take the time to clean????
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    Jul 31, 2008 6:44 PM GMT
    Xanadude,

    In an effort to, hopefully, stop a flame war from happening. RedsoxFever33 has expounded his answer. Please scroll up to find his expanded answer to your question.

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    Jul 31, 2008 7:18 PM GMT
    Just to reiterate what others have stated.
    Don't focus on cut/uncut when determining risk for catching an STD - you might just regret it.
    Be more concerned about the guys sexual practices.
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    Jul 31, 2008 7:26 PM GMT
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    Three words: SOAP AND WATER! Man, why is it Americans are so willing to lop bits off of penises because they're too bloody lazy to take the time to clean????[/quote]

    I've got to agree with you there. If it were the case that we should cut off things to keep them clean, there would be many other parts of the body to chop off too. Guys should just keep themselves clean, and I'm more worried about the individual. If it were the case that all uncut guys were going to get major infections, etc., Europe would be rampant with them, and it's not.

    I'm cut (unfortunately) and really wish I weren't. Of course, nobody gave me the choice about it. If you think about it, why would you rob the part of your body that has the most stimulus during sex, and as most guys are concerned about how big their dicks are, why would you want to cut it?

    My biggest problem with it is that you should be able to choose what happens with your body, and to subject it to a newborn that doesn't have a choice about it violate so many of my ethics.
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    Jul 31, 2008 8:19 PM GMT
    matt45710 said[quote][cite]xanadude said[/cite]


    Three words: SOAP AND WATER! Man, why is it Americans are so willing to lop bits off of penises because they're too bloody lazy to take the time to clean????


    I'm cut (unfortunately) and really wish I weren't. Of course, nobody gave me the choice about it. If you think about it, why would you rob the part of your body that has the most stimulus during sex, and as most guys are concerned about how big their dicks are, why would you want to cut it?[/quote]

    how do you know it has the most stimulus? you are cut so you wouldn't really know the difference.

    also, size has nothing to do with it. getting the skin cut doesn't affect the size of your penis.
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    Jul 31, 2008 8:26 PM GMT
    [quote][cite]txguy1605 said
    how do you know it has the most stimulus? you are cut so you wouldn't really know the difference.

    also, size has nothing to do with it. getting the skin cut doesn't affect the size of your penis.[/quote]

    Well, I course I can't know exactly, but I do know that if you cut off a whole bunch of nerve sensors, you have less than you would have had.

    I do know that many men (like me) that are cut very tightly are at the limit of how big we can be hard. If we had more skin, we might be a bit larger.
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    Jul 31, 2008 8:28 PM GMT
    mickeytopogigio saidBusted.

    Mythbusters_title_screen.jpg


    You're my hero, Mickey.... ROFL!!!! icon_lol.gif
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    Jul 31, 2008 8:32 PM GMT
    Once I ran out of Q-Tips and my ears got kind of dirty. I was beginning to fear I'd get an infection on one side. So I told myself "this will never happen again" and cut off my ear.

    (then I sent it to Steve Sandvoss)
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    Jul 31, 2008 8:39 PM GMT
    The bottom line is that it is MUTILATION originally conceived by early religious fanatics to prevent men from having as easy a time masturbating and fucking. The foreskin is partially present to give your dick something in which to thrust back and forth, minimizing dry friction around contact points and maximizing the "wet" friction between the inside of the vagina (or rectum for us) and the glans, which is SUPPOSED TO BE WET and is on an uncut guy. We weren't created with bottles of gun oil and ID glide in mind, and even straight cut guys have to resort to that stuff, too.

    Condoms aside, that's a whole different story, but we're not supposed to NEED lube to have sex. It wasn't Adam and Eve and a quart pump of Wet in the garden of Eden. icon_wink.gif

    No children of mine will ever be mutilated in the name of hygiene or any false god. icon_neutral.gif
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    Jul 31, 2008 10:43 PM GMT
    XRuggerATX saidOnce I ran out of Q-Tips and my ears got kind of dirty. I was beginning to fear I'd get an infection on one side. So I told myself "this will never happen again" and cut off my ear.

    (then I sent it to Steve Sandvoss)


    OMG, you're my hero now. Sorry Mickey *hehehe* icon_wink.gif