Big Pharma HIV Scam, Using Poppers, Destroying the Immune System?

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    pf008 saidI've been on meds since 2006, and thanks to them, i'm healthier than ever. I went from 158 lbs to 190, tcells from 82 to 550, and been undetectable ever since. So I'm proof that drugs work well. I wouldn't be here without them.

    Also, I should point out, that I don't drink, do drugs, or smoke. Alot of guys I think that turn poz start using drugs and drinking out of depression. I didn't, and I think it's been conducive to my good health.

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    AMEN!!

    Meds have kept me going and undetectable for 18 years. So please don't believe everything you read.


    pf008 saidI've been on meds since 2006, and thanks to them, i'm healthier than ever. I went from 158 lbs to 190, tcells from 82 to 550, and been undetectable ever since. So I'm proof that drugs work well. I wouldn't be here without them.

    Also, I should point out, that I don't drink, do drugs, or smoke. Alot of guys I think that turn poz start using drugs and drinking out of depression. I didn't, and I think it's been conducive to my good health.

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    OMG, congrats to BOTH of You! icon_smile.gif Amazing how far modern medicine has come.

    On another note... poppers.... tried them twice.

    Like anything in this world, MODERATION IS KEY.



    Thank you Running icon_smile.gif btw I don't have any intentions to quit doing what I'm doing icon_smile.gif
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    Jul 15, 2012 2:38 PM GMT
    RunnerWannabe saidPosting BS on the internet is not a criminal offense and asking administrators or others to treat it as such is just sounding shrill.



    "Shrill"? The Colonel???? Noooooo! SHUT THE FRONT DOOR!!!!! icon_lol.gif
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    RunnerWannabe saidPosting BS on the internet is not a criminal offense and asking administrators or others to treat it as such is just sounding shrill.

    There is BS, and there is misinformation that kills people. If you want to defend posts that say AIDS does not exist, HIV tests are a fraud, and HIV poz guys should not take their meds, by all means do so.

    I really think you're on the losing side of that argument. But more than that, you contribute to deaths in the gay community, when you refuse to refute these lies about HIV/AIDS diagnosis & treatment, and say there's nothing wrong with posting them.
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    Jul 15, 2012 2:51 PM GMT
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    RunnerWannabe saidPosting BS on the internet is not a criminal offense and asking administrators or others to treat it as such is just sounding shrill.

    There is BS, and there is misinformation that kills people. If you want to defend posts that say AIDS does not exist, HIV tests are a fraud, and HIV poz guys should not take their meds, by all means do so.

    I really think you're on the losing side of that argument. But more than that, you contribute to deaths in the gay community, when you refuse to refute these lies about HIV/AIDS diagnosis & treatment, and say there's nothing wrong with posting them.




    Oh, Lordy --- how many stiff Bloody Marys have you had already this morning?Nobody --- I repeat NOBODY is defending any of this. The one on the "losing side" of this argument --- which shouldn't really even be an argument -- is YOU!
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    whateveryo saidPoppers damage the immune system ?! Oh shit ! icon_eek.gif

    At the very beginning of the AIDS epidemic (like before you were born, I guess icon_eek.gif ), poppers were suspected to be the cause, because gays used them so much. It was speculated that poppers were destroying their immune systems.
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    Jul 15, 2012 2:57 PM GMT
    Man, these theories are 3 decades old - like from the early days of fear mongering when no one knew anything about HIV, were grasping at straws, and suggested that poppers caused HIV/AIDS because lots of gay men used poppers and lots of gay men had AIDS. You should know that there are people known as "AIDS DENIALISTS" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDS_denialism who commonly mix pseudo-science with conspiracy theory and come up with frankly crazy ideas that HIV doesn't cause AIDS, that the pharmaceutical companies are using this to further their own profits, and for the purpose of wiping out or further enslaving _______ (insert marginalised social group here - e.g. gays, blacks, asians, women, etc).

    HIV/AIDS is the single largest and most researched health condition in the world. it is also the largest global community of scientists, doctors, clinicians, geneticists, laboratory technicians, activists, civil societies, and individuals focused on one issue. there is no way that peer-reviewed scientific and social research would overlook a supposed conspiracy theory of the magnitude that you're suggesting. The global scientific community agrees that HIV and AIDS exists and your YouTube video is crap.

    Also, as an HIV+ person (of 11 years), I know first hand how anti-retroviral medicines changed my life for the better.

    the sad fact is that not too long ago, the previous government of South Africa had a health minister who was an AIDS denialist, claiming the same things you're claiming, misinformed by the ridiculous conspiracy theories. Her name was Manto Tshabalala-Msimang http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manto_Tshabalala-Msimang, and was responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths in the country, because she believed that AIDS could be cured with lemons, garlic and beet root, and would not prescribe a national AIDS treatment plan. There is proof in deaths that HIV+ people who followed her plan of treatment with lemon and garlic died, while HIV+ people who took anti-retroviral medications live to this day. I think you need to be more critical about what you're seeing on the internet.
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    Art_Deco said
    RunnerWannabe saidPosting BS on the internet is not a criminal offense and asking administrators or others to treat it as such is just sounding shrill.

    There is BS, and there is misinformation that kills people. If you want to defend posts that say AIDS does not exist, HIV tests are a fraud, and HIV poz guys should not take their meds, by all means do so.

    I really think you're on the losing side of that argument. But more than that, you contribute to deaths in the gay community, when you refuse to refute these lies about HIV/AIDS diagnosis & treatment, and say there's nothing wrong with posting them.


    Do you have any idea the thousands of topics that fall into that category? You have the anti-vaccine conspiracy theorists. You have the anti-climate change conspiracy theorists. You have the fad diet people, people who hock herbal remedies to cure cancer, weight loss through drinking nothing but Cayenne pepper and lemon juice or pray the disease away. You have websites for people that are pro-anorexia and pro-morbid obesity people's rights. You have websites from black people who say HIV was invented by the government to kill black people, from gay people that say HIV was invented by the government to kill gay people, or better yet the groups that say HIV doesn't exist at all so let's just bareback. Tangential to that are the people who say getting sick is just a state of mind so if you truly believe you can't get sick you won't. That is just a quick free association on the types of sites and links that show up millions of times a day in Google searches across the planet and I'm not even trying hard to come up with ideas yet.

    If you think you are on a winning side of fighting misinformation on the internet, then I have a bridge in Brooklyn you may be interested in buying from me. No one will stop the flow of misinformation and just calling it out is the respectable and sane thing to do. Pretending it is part of some grander conspiracy versus being just part of most humans believe idiotic stuff like this all the time is also not doing your cause any favors either btw.
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    It's too early to argue over nothing ;)
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    Here is something interesting... The doctor below was working with NIH to develop as a wide spread cure, but they wanted to make it too expensive so he just went back to Israel.

    us patent cure for aids 5676977
    silver 4 oxygen 4
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    The diamagnetic semiconducting molecular crystal tetrasilver tetroxide (Ag4 O4) is utilized for destroying the AIDS virus, destroying AIDS synergistic pathogens and immunity suppressing moieties (ISM) in humans.

    A single intravenous injection of the devices is all that is required for efficacy at levels of about 40 PPM of human blood. The device molecular crystal contains two mono and two trivalent silver ions capable of "firing" electrons capable of electrocuting the AIDS virus, pathogens and ISM. When administered into the bloodstream, the device electrons will be triggered by pathogens, a proliferating virus and ISM, and when fired will simultaneously trigger a redox chelation mechanism resulting in divalent silver moieties which chelate and bind active sites of the entities destroying them. The devices are completely non-toxic. However, they put stress on the liver causing hepatomegaly, but there is no loss of liver function.

    A novel molecular scale device is described which is bactericidal, fungicidal, viricidal and algicidal. The anti-pathogenic properties of the device are attributed to electron activity indigenous to diamagnetic semiconducting crystals of tetrasilver tetroxide (Ag4 O4) which contains two monovalent and two trivalent silver ions in each molecular crystal. When the crystals are activated with an oxidizing agent, they release electrons equivalent to 6.4×10-19 watts per molecule which in effect electrocute pathogens. A multitude of these devices are effective at such low concentrations as 0.3 PPM used as preservatives in a variety of formulations ranging from cosmetics to pharmaceuticals. Indeed, they are intended as active ingredients for pharmaceuticals formulated to destroy such pathogens as Staphylococcus aureus, and epidermidis, the latter of which it completely destroys in a nutrient broth culture of about 1 million organisms at 0.6 PPM, or Candida albercans, the vaginal yeast infection at 2.5 PPM, and the AIDS virus at 18 PPM.
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    mz29xy saidHere is something interesting... The doctor below was working with NIH to develop as a wide spread cure, but they wanted to make it too expensive so he just went back to Israel.

    us patent cure for aids 5676977
    silver 4 oxygen 4
    dr rabbi anterman

    The diamagnetic semiconducting molecular crystal tetrasilver tetroxide (Ag4 O4) is utilized for destroying the AIDS virus, destroying AIDS synergistic pathogens and immunity suppressing moieties (ISM) in humans.

    A single intravenous injection of the devices is all that is required for efficacy at levels of about 40 PPM of human blood. The device molecular crystal contains two mono and two trivalent silver ions capable of "firing" electrons capable of electrocuting the AIDS virus, pathogens and ISM. When administered into the bloodstream, the device electrons will be triggered by pathogens, a proliferating virus and ISM, and when fired will simultaneously trigger a redox chelation mechanism resulting in divalent silver moieties which chelate and bind active sites of the entities destroying them. The devices are completely non-toxic. However, they put stress on the liver causing hepatomegaly, but there is no loss of liver function.

    A novel molecular scale device is described which is bactericidal, fungicidal, viricidal and algicidal. The anti-pathogenic properties of the device are attributed to electron activity indigenous to diamagnetic semiconducting crystals of tetrasilver tetroxide (Ag4 O4) which contains two monovalent and two trivalent silver ions in each molecular crystal. When the crystals are activated with an oxidizing agent, they release electrons equivalent to 6.4×10-19 watts per molecule which in effect electrocute pathogens. A multitude of these devices are effective at such low concentrations as 0.3 PPM used as preservatives in a variety of formulations ranging from cosmetics to pharmaceuticals. Indeed, they are intended as active ingredients for pharmaceuticals formulated to destroy such pathogens as Staphylococcus aureus, and epidermidis, the latter of which it completely destroys in a nutrient broth culture of about 1 million organisms at 0.6 PPM, or Candida albercans, the vaginal yeast infection at 2.5 PPM, and the AIDS virus at 18 PPM.


    This is over my head. When you say devices, you mean like nanotechnology?
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    Jul 15, 2012 3:21 PM GMT
    GordonLee90232 saidI have seen on other websites that the manager of the website would have swiftly deleted that persons account if he just went around trying to have fights with the other members like that Art Dieco guy does.


    Gordon, take it all with a grain of salt when it comes to Art_Deco --- fondly known around these parts as the light "Colonel Cuckoo". No one really takes him seriously. He likes to fantasize about being an "obsession" to some, but he is good comic fodder nonetheless.
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    CuriousJockAZ said...G. Edward Griffin. He is more of a conspiracy theorist than a right wing loon, though he is actually classified politically as a Libertarian who founded Freedom Force International in 2002, a libertarian activist network, whose members value individual freedom above government power. To be clear, I am in no way supporting or do I agree with the information in the OP.

    There is nothing wrong with posting an article that contains incorrect information if the purpose or result is generating discussion so that those who are informed can discredit the information and less knowledgeable RJ members get the facts. Isn't that better than having the less knowledgeable members only read from the conspiracy sites or other sites peddling incorrect information?

    The reaction by Art_Deco, continual and in so many different threads, helps explain why many members have commented that they don't take anything he says seriously. Also explains the reaction of those he continually slanders in taking him to task and ridiculing him in other threads. I personally don't favor doing that because with his reputation what it already is, like beating a dead horse.
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    Its actually a molecular composition of oxygen and silver injected intravenously into the blood stream. Virus and bacteria can not survive in an oxygen rich environment and silver is the most anti viral of all metals.
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    Jul 15, 2012 3:39 PM GMT
    I can see why conspiracy theories are seductive: they over-simplify things which are confusing/technical/scientific, they speak to the insecurities that many people have about things which they don't understand, they rely on convenient lapses in logic which are easy to dismiss, and they point the figure at a culprit which the public really has a desire to identify.

    but in truth, life is often complex. every one has fears and insecurities and things which they don't understand. matters of life and death often have no logic, and can seem unfair. and global pandemics are of such a terrifying scale, that we really want to be able to identify one source cause or reason for why things are so bad.

    when considering what to believe in, here's a useful trick: rather than let your mind fill in the blanks to someone else's half-baked theories, try to latch onto and support real actions, such as the people and institutions who are doing actual work: those who are researching the disease, clinically testing vaccines and microbicides, doctors who are treating people, public health institutions who are forming and maintaining health care systems, pharmacists who provide medicines that work, the nurses and humanitarians who provide care for those who are sick. these are the tangible things that you should support.
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    There is nothing wrong with posting an article that contains incorrect information if the purpose or result is generating discussion so that those who are informed can discredit the information and less knowledgeable RJ members get the facts. Isn't that better than having the less knowledgeable members only read from the conspiracy sites or other sites peddling incorrect information?

    Except... *I* was the one who discredited this (mis) "information". False statements that said HIV doesn't exist, HIV testing is a fraud, HIV meds are worthless. Not you - you didn't say a peep about this dangerous misinformation.

    And when I did that, you and your conservaposse buddies attacked me. Did you not want the truth known? What really is your agenda?

    There is EVERYTHING wrong with posting incorrect information, when it can lead to gay deaths. What part of that do you and your buddies not understand about that?

    Would there be nothing wrong if someone gave advice here to take no meds when you have pneumonia? If I claim that cancer is a fraud, that doesn't warrant treatment, will you ignore that statement? Are such claims OK, because I'm "generating discussion"?

    Your argument is idiotic & unsupportable. And only endorsed by the dozen or so here who oppose anything that is beneficial to the gay community. Their pattern is clear, their goal obvious, and it ain't to do any good for gays.
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    Jul 15, 2012 4:40 PM GMT
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    Your argument is idiotic & unsupportable. And only endorsed by the dozen or so here who oppose anything that is beneficial to the gay community. Their pattern is clear, their goal obvious, and it ain't to do any good for gays.



    No, actually it's YOU who is making an idiotic and unsupportable argument....or, unless I missed it, WHERE is your support here for your loonie assertions? Also, unless I missed it, I don't recall ANYONE here supporting the information in the original OP. So, really, all you are doing here is air fisting with an invisible villain that no one here seems to be seeing but you.

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    Art_Deco said
    Your argument is idiotic & unsupportable. And only endorsed by the dozen or so here who oppose anything that is beneficial to the gay community. Their pattern is clear, their goal obvious, and it ain't to do any good for gays.



    No, actually it's YOU who is making an idiotic and unsupportable argument....or, unless I missed it, WHERE is your support here for your loonie assertions? Also, unless I missed it, I don't recall ANYONE here supporting the information in the original OP. So, really, all you are doing here is air fisting with an invisible villain that no one here seems to be seeing but you.


    My superhero... fighting the villainous Captain Cuckoo!

    Art, if you were a bit more sensible, you might bring something positive to the threads, but everything you write blames everything bad on the conservatives. You've really gone off the deep end.

    ....wow... just wow....
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    socalfitness said
    There is nothing wrong with posting an article that contains incorrect information if the purpose or result is generating discussion so that those who are informed can discredit the information and less knowledgeable RJ members get the facts. Isn't that better than having the less knowledgeable members only read from the conspiracy sites or other sites peddling incorrect information?

    Except... *I* was the one who discredited this (mis) "information". False statements that said HIV doesn't exist, HIV testing is a fraud, HIV meds are worthless. Not you - you didn't say a peep about this dangerous misinformation.

    You are to be commended for discrediting the misinformation. I was not aware of the thread until it had been discredited by several already.

    And when I did that, you and your conservaposse buddies attacked me. Did you not want the truth known? What really is your agenda?

    You were not attacked for discrediting the information. You were attacked for introducing your typical right-wing conspiracy theory, suggesting illegal activity that RJ members are engaged in, and suggesting the Admin look into.


    There is EVERYTHING wrong with posting incorrect information, when it can lead to gay deaths. What part of that do you and your buddies not understand about that?

    There is incorrect information posted everywhere on the internet already, and with google, it is all easily found. As long as there are members willing to discredit and discuss, then the greater good is served.

    Would there be nothing wrong if someone gave advice here to take no meds when you have pneumonia? If I claim that cancer is a fraud, that doesn't warrant treatment, will you ignore that statement? Are such claims OK, because I'm "generating discussion"?

    The fact is there is crazy information all over the place, you and your conspiracy theories being one example. If we were to curtail posts of crazy utterances, your post count would become frozen.

    Your argument is idiotic & unsupportable. And only endorsed by the dozen or so here who oppose anything that is beneficial to the gay community. Their pattern is clear, their goal obvious, and it ain't to do any good for gays.

    I think I did an excellent job in supporting it. What has been and remains unsupportable is your continued conspiracy theories and slander against other RJ members. It doesn't bother me in the slightest because it has become obvious to many members, so it's more of a joke, and you come across as a clown. icon_lol.gif
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    Jul 15, 2012 4:49 PM GMT
    Art_Deco saidExcept... *I* was the one who discredited this (mis) "information". False statements that said HIV doesn't exist, HIV testing is a fraud, HIV meds are worthless. Not you - you didn't say a peep about this dangerous misinformation.

    There were ten posts before you either making fun of this ridiculous article, or saying that it was wrong. Anyone who read them wouldn't need to listen to you.

    And when I did that, you and your conservaposse buddies attacked me. Did you not want the truth known? What really is your agenda?

    They f***ing agreed with you on the fact that the article was BS. They just didn't want you attacking all republicans for it. Yeah there are some dumb conspiracy theory conservatives, like the author of the article. There are also some conspiracy theory liberals that go on just as pointless rants. Like you when saying that all conservatives want gays to get HIV. It isn't true. Yes, some dumb conspiracy theorists and religious dopes might want that, but that isn't all that makes up the conservative group. In fact, far from it. Attacking all conservatives due to the misinformation of one goon can't be expected to get any response from conservatives other than "What the f***?"

    There is EVERYTHING wrong with posting incorrect information, when it can lead to gay deaths. What part of that do you and your buddies not understand about that?

    CuriousJockAZ flat out said he didn't agree with the post. His comment wasn't even saying that he doesn't want people to take HIV tests. It was him saying he doesn't want people to think all republicans want the mass destruction of gays. You are grasping at straws that simply aren't there.

    Would there be nothing wrong if someone gave advice here to take no meds when you have pneumonia? If I claim that cancer is a fraud, that doesn't warrant treatment, will you ignore that statement? Are such claims OK, because I'm "generating discussion"?

    I'm sorry, I live in a hippie town (Anyone from MT can back me up on that) and there are tons of people who DO make those claims, They say to stop taking western medicine because it is useless, and to start taking this herb with that tonic and etc. So I'm not sure where you are going with that one.

    Your argument is idiotic & unsupportable. And only endorsed by the dozen or so here who oppose anything that is beneficial to the gay community. Their pattern is clear, their goal obvious, and it ain't to do any good for gays.

    To be clear, I fully support the health of the gay community. I am all for gay marriage rights. I wish that it would be mandatory for all Americans to take HIV tests AT LEAST once a year after turning 18, so that people wouldn't be having sex while not knowing their own status as often. I support gay pride events everywhere. And furthermore, I am in no way conservative, and that is defined by the fact that I do believe that taxes need to be raised, and that the government needs to help poor people more. So your argument that only conservatives will back them up in this particular thread is ridiculous.
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    Jul 15, 2012 4:50 PM GMT
    socalfitness saidI think I did an excellent job in supporting it. What has been and remains unsupportable is your continued conspiracy theories and slander against other RJ members. It doesn't bother me in the slightest because it has become obvious to many members, so it's more of a joke, and you come across as a clown. icon_lol.gif



    Now, now, Socal, let's not forget that good "comic relief" is a commodity we hold dear hear at RJ ---- even if it is so often-times unintended where Colonel Cuckoo is concerned.
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    Jul 15, 2012 4:54 PM GMT
    CJAZ - In your initial post you only briefly mentioned the OPs piece because it was pretty obviously ridiculous. Right? It didn't really need much commentary, yeah?
    Why can't you do the same thing with AD's conspiracy post?

    I mean, I understand calling him out once (a conspiracy about a conspiracy - suggesting open discussion should be banned in the forums, etc.).
    But then it's been said and everyone get's it. There's no ongoing war that needs fighting. The back and forth just becomes distracting from real discussions about pseudo-science and medical conspiracy -- which are actually useful and can be helpful to some.

    I know some people develop... for lack of better term "intense personal relationships" (adversarial or otherwise) on RJ, but: It it's for a reason, is it a good enough reason? If it's for fun, can't you guys keep it in threads that already have that tenor?

    Not trying to be a jerk. An honest question/request.

    (And I realize it's a separate issue that probably won't get much traction, but the name calling that's just designed to make people feel hurt -- could people at least think about just dropping it? If someone is really bothering you you can block them. If they're not then does attacking fragile people [c'mon, a lot of users here are probably pretty fragile] really seem worth it? Not trying to be a goody two-shoes [whatever weird etymology that phrase has] -- just hoping we can bring out more of the best around here ; )
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    Jul 15, 2012 5:03 PM GMT
    neosyllogy saidCJAZ - In your initial post you only briefly mentioned the OPs piece because it was pretty obviously ridiculous. Right? It didn't really need much commentary, yeah?
    Why can't you do the same think with AD's conspiracy post?

    I mean, I understand calling him out once (a conspiracy about a conspiracy - suggesting open discussion should be banned in the forums, etc.).
    But then it's been said and everyone get's it. There's no ongoing war that needs fighting. The back and forth just becomes distracting from real discussions about pseudo-science and medical conspiracy -- which are actually useful and can be helpful to some.

    I know some people develop... for lack of better term "intense personal relationships" (adversarial or otherwise) on RJ, but: It it's for a reason, is it a good enough reason? If it's for fun, can't you guys keep it in threads that already have that tenor?

    Not trying to be a jerk. An honest question/request.



    No jerkiness taken...and I not only respect your opinion, I agree with it. Here is the rub though....The dear perpetual "victim" posing as a one man Army against those sinister Republicans who have, in his mind, infiltrated this site with the sole agenda to disrupt is really the one common denominator in much, if not all of this. In thread after thread, many not political in nature at all, he swoops in with his right-wing conspiracy theories and sets the stage for it to be derailed. Then, when it happens, suddenly the pitiful Colonel Cuckoo whines to anyone who will listen that he has been "personally attacked" by what he deems "an obsession" of the conservaposse. All he really is here is fodder for amusement. That all being said, I respect very much what you are saying, and I will gladly bow out in this thread because I really stated my opinion on the original topic of the thread in my very first post.

    CuriousJockAZ saidTo be clear, I am in no way supporting or do I agree with the information in the OP.
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    neosyllogy saidCJAZ - In your initial post you only briefly mentioned the OPs piece because it was pretty obviously ridiculous. Right? It didn't really need much commentary, yeah?
    Why can't you do the same thing with AD's conspiracy post? ...

    Although your question was directed to CJAZ, I responded above and will offer my comments.

    The point of the side discussions becoming distracting and derailing threads is a valid one. But the other point is AD's message is continually repeated in many threads, and utterances, even if ridiculous, if not forcefully challenged can take root, especially among members who only see threads occasionally. Having members, not just those associated with some clique, challenge him might encourage him to back off. But it doesn't seem to happen, so it is a bit of a dilemma.
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    Jul 15, 2012 5:17 PM GMT
    socalfitness saidHaving members, not just those associated with some clique, challenge him might encourage him to back off. But it doesn't seem to happen, so it is a bit of a dilemma.


    neosyllogy, in fairness, one last point I think needs to be made is that many of us have sincerely tried to pave the way for a "kinder, gentler" atmosphere here at RealJock. In fact, I even took the proactive initiative of starting a thread to encourage exactly that...
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/2506241
    However, you'll notice who the usual suspect was who turned that thread negative right away. Even when others encouraged him to try to play nice, he was seemingly unwilling. So, again, there is one common denominator in much of this and if the RJ admins should seriously be looking at anyone to solve an ongoing problem around here, it should probably be him.