Big Pharma HIV Scam, Using Poppers, Destroying the Immune System?

  • nanidesukedo

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    Jul 15, 2012 5:26 PM GMT
    6packabs saidI subscribe to a newsletter by the Telly Award Winning documentary film maker, author, researcher, G. Edward Griffin. Some time ago, about two months I think, he cited a documentary and this is what it said:

    G. Edward Griffin: House of Numbers. Here is a documentary that challenges the common view about HIV and AIDS. [Be prepared to learn that (1) HIV testing is bunk, (2) AIDS statistics are manipulated to justify funding for AIDS programs, (3) the most common AIDS drugs are deadly even to healthy people, and (4) HIV has never been seen under the microscope, is entirely theoretical, and may not even exist. This is a blockbuster.]
    YouTube Posted 2012 May 3


    http://www.realityzone.com/20120504.html

    The Documentary on Youtube:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwgmzbnckII

    I'm intrigued to see what you guys here think of this.

    Of note, Poppers were once used like crazy, according to the documentary, found in gay clubs, bars, and anything gay. This states that this substance damages and destroys the immune system.

    And what of all those who demanded to be on the HIV drugs early on? It was their death sentence!

    Fascinating.


    I'll keep this simple - as an actual doctor who treats patients with HIV...if you believe this bunk, you are bat shit crazy. Like bat shit dangerous crazy. It's this type of thinking that kills people. Stop with it. Pls k thx.
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    Jul 15, 2012 7:51 PM GMT
    I've heard of organizations downplaying the reality of AIDS in order to intentionally cause harm to others. Be careful with this type of stuff. Just sayin'
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    Jul 15, 2012 8:03 PM GMT
    I agree with other posters that you read a denialist website.

    You have to agree though that poppers AREN'T DOING ANY GOOD for your system. I've read that they temporarily interfere with immune system reactions. Physiologically they chemically vasodilate blood vessels, including the ones in the anus, causing muscles there to warm up faster than usual (that's what muscles require--blood makes them warm up). More blood means more places for HIV to go if it is there--much like having an open cut or coinfection with another STI.

    When your blood vessels vasodilate (cross sectional area gets larger), your central nervous system detects this change (that it did not voluntarily cause!!!) and reacts by using the other mechanism it has to prevent lack of blood flow to the brain and maintaining cardiac output--it reacts by increasing heart rate! This is the involuntary rush you get from using this commonly abused drug.

    Those are the acute effects--chronic effects of snorting harmful chemicals that cause major drops in blood pressure followed by increase in heart rate? Well you could get cancer, brain ischemia, or heart attack eventually.
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    Jul 15, 2012 8:26 PM GMT
    yourname2000 saidSo.....millions of people in Africa are dying of poppers? icon_confused.gif

    Seems legit. icon_razz.gif


    Lmfao icon_smile.gif
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    Jul 15, 2012 8:40 PM GMT
    yourname2000 saidSo.....millions of people in Africa are dying of poppers? icon_confused.gif

    Seems legit. icon_razz.gif


    Well, there is a tiny kernel of truth there that is distorted into a half-truth in the OP. There are multiple ongoing and overlapping health crises in Africa, not all of which have earmarked aid funding. Some overwhelmed hospitals are reporting all kinds of things as "AIDS" because if they reported, for example, that they had 30 cases of "cholera" they wouldn't get any funding to cover it. So some of the statistics are confounded.
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    Jul 15, 2012 10:44 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidHowever, you'll notice who the usual suspect was who turned that thread negative right away. Even when others encouraged him to try to play nice, he was seemingly unwilling. So, again, there is one common denominator in much of this and if the RJ admins should seriously be looking at anyone to solve an ongoing problem around here, it should probably be him.

    Indeed I did notice - it was you. I agreed with RunnerWannabe that the OP was drivel. And that it was echoed by Right Wing loonies, which is a fact.

    Which created an opening for you to attack me personally, your default position on everything I post. And diverting attention from the important message I was trying to send, refuting the OP's quotes:

    (1) HIV testing is bunk, (2) AIDS statistics are manipulated to justify funding for AIDS programs, (3) the most common AIDS drugs are deadly even to healthy people, and (4) HIV has never been seen under the microscope, is entirely theoretical, and may not even exist.

    And then his own statement:

    And what of all those who demanded to be on the HIV drugs early on? It was their death sentence!

    Which are false and dangerous claims.

    I strongly opposed those statements that endanger young gay men who may not know any better. Your response was instead to strongly oppose me, not those lies, because I noted that these are positions taken not just by Griffin, but by extreme right wingers, with whom you evidently identify yourself. Your extremist Gov. Jan Brewer of AZ comes to mind, when you said: "We love Jan Brewer in AZ," a strong opponent of gays and gay health care.

    I lost a partner to AIDS, and my current partner lost his previous partner to AIDS. We were just away at an AIDS fundraiser a few hours ago, while you were trashing me here. You love to push my hot buttons, and I'll admit, nothing is hotter for me than deliberate HIV/AIDS misinformation, and apathy.

    Well, congratulations, you pressed the right button: HIV/AIDS. Proud of yourself? And I still haven't heard you actually denounce the OP's harmful statements, or offer the correct information to counter statements that could lead gay men to make tragic choices.

    The best you can manage is that you don't support them. Well isn't that special? Sure to get the attention of naive young gay men reading that crap, who don't know any better.

    All you've denounced in detail, as usual, is me. You certainly know how to articulate that message, don't you? All because I don't remain silent in the face of your unrelenting right-wing propaganda here. Well, shoot the messenger, as they say, but don't address the message.
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    whateveryo saidPoppers damage the immune system ?! Oh shit ! icon_eek.gif


    NYE will kill you!?!

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    Jul 16, 2012 1:50 AM GMT
    mz29xy saidHere is something interesting... The doctor below was working with NIH to develop as a wide spread cure, but they wanted to make it too expensive so he just went back to Israel.

    us patent cure for aids 5676977
    silver 4 oxygen 4
    dr rabbi anterman

    The diamagnetic semiconducting molecular crystal tetrasilver tetroxide (Ag4 O4) is utilized for destroying the AIDS virus, destroying AIDS synergistic pathogens and immunity suppressing moieties (ISM) in humans.

    A single intravenous injection of the devices is all that is required for efficacy at levels of about 40 PPM of human blood. The device molecular crystal contains two mono and two trivalent silver ions capable of "firing" electrons capable of electrocuting the AIDS virus, pathogens and ISM. When administered into the bloodstream, the device electrons will be triggered by pathogens, a proliferating virus and ISM, and when fired will simultaneously trigger a redox chelation mechanism resulting in divalent silver moieties which chelate and bind active sites of the entities destroying them. The devices are completely non-toxic. However, they put stress on the liver causing hepatomegaly, but there is no loss of liver function.

    A novel molecular scale device is described which is bactericidal, fungicidal, viricidal and algicidal. The anti-pathogenic properties of the device are attributed to electron activity indigenous to diamagnetic semiconducting crystals of tetrasilver tetroxide (Ag4 O4) which contains two monovalent and two trivalent silver ions in each molecular crystal. When the crystals are activated with an oxidizing agent, they release electrons equivalent to 6.4×10-19 watts per molecule which in effect electrocute pathogens. A multitude of these devices are effective at such low concentrations as 0.3 PPM used as preservatives in a variety of formulations ranging from cosmetics to pharmaceuticals. Indeed, they are intended as active ingredients for pharmaceuticals formulated to destroy such pathogens as Staphylococcus aureus, and epidermidis, the latter of which it completely destroys in a nutrient broth culture of about 1 million organisms at 0.6 PPM, or Candida albercans, the vaginal yeast infection at 2.5 PPM, and the AIDS virus at 18 PPM.

    Thank you. That information was very interesting and worthy of further exploration. Notwithstanding the merits of the conventional HIV treatment drugs, we should all be aware that Big Pharma seeks to suppress the availability of cures for any disease that it cannot control and profit from making available. Government agencies are complicit in this (FDA, NIH, etc in the USA and similar agencies in most developed economies) - no conspiracy theory here. Thanks again - useful reading.
  • musclmed

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    Jul 16, 2012 6:23 AM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    Art_Deco said
    More than drivel, this is dangerous propaganda from extreme Right Wing loonies. That tell gay men not to take their HIV meds, don't get tested, there is no such thing as AIDS, etc. Beyond drivel, this is criminally irresponsible, and RJ Admin might want to look into this. This isn't a mere "opinion" but a life-threatening agenda, that has no place on a gay site.


    And this disproves what I wrote HOW? Do you support the HIV poz not taking their meds? Do you oppose HIV testing? Do you believe there is no such thing as AIDS? Your disclaimer is rather weak.

    As usual, you make this a personal attack on me, while deflecting attention away from the matter at hand: the OP posting dangerous misinformation from sources that the Right Wing endorses and promotes.

    Will you go on record as saying his post is bad information, bad science, and bad for gay men to follow? It would be nice if for once you could shift your sick obsession with me, to topics that are vital to the gay community. Try for once to think of our community, and not your own agenda, OK?


    Of course this is a garbage science. I know I am involved in HIV research .

    However you have 0 credibility and have a bit of nerve expecting others to rebuke the OP.

    Your medical knowledge is limited to your own strange life and google.

    In many threads you speak of your own drunk driving while having a seizure disorder and a myriad of other idiotic quasi-medical opinions.

    So save it. There is no right wing conspiracy
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    Jul 16, 2012 7:00 AM GMT
    nanidesukedo said
    6packabs saidI

    Fascinating.


    I'll keep this simple - as an actual doctor who treats patients with HIV...if you believe this bunk, you are bat shit crazy. Like bat shit dangerous crazy. It's this type of thinking that kills people. Stop with it. Pls k thx.



    and as a RN, thank you. exactly what i was thinking.
  • AllAmericanJo...

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    Jul 19, 2012 8:58 PM GMT
    running11 said
    OMG, congrats to BOTH of You! icon_smile.gif Amazing how far modern medicine has come.

    On another note... poppers.... tried them twice.

    Like anything in this world, MODERATION IS KEY.


    Hmmm, that's interesting. Pretty sure you'd never tried them when we met. Pretty sure also you haven't had sex with anyone since our relationship ended three weeks ago.

    Must have tried them during our relationship, then? Pray tell, who with? TyTy or RayRay? Or both? Or someone else? How does that play into your vaunted love of honesty, faithfulness, concepts you champion all over the forums? Also, will you continue to ridicule and criticize people who have relationships that are not monogamous?

    These and other questions to be answered on the next episode of As RealJock Turns.

    P.S. Play safe and get tested, folks.
  • 6packabs

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    Oct 20, 2016 7:54 AM GMT
    kingmo said
    Also, as an HIV+ person (of 11 years), I know first hand how anti-retroviral medicines changed my life for the better.

    the sad fact is that not too long ago, the previous government of South Africa had a health minister who was an AIDS denialist, claiming the same things you're claiming, misinformed by the ridiculous conspiracy theories. Her name was Manto Tshabalala-Msimang http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manto_Tshabalala-Msimang, and was responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths in the country, because she believed that AIDS could be cured with lemons, garlic and beet root, and would not prescribe a national AIDS treatment plan. There is proof in deaths that HIV+ people who followed her plan of treatment with lemon and garlic died, while HIV+ people who took anti-retroviral medications live to this day. I think you need to be more critical about what you're seeing on the internet.


    Thanks for your info on this. I had not heard of this lemon, garlic and beet root thing. I want to go research it some.

    This thread is most intriguing. It's interesting the responses that have come.

    I'm curious how many who commented actually watched the entire documentary? Some shut it off, out of hand, full rejection with hostility. That's fine, but I would have liked some to take on many of the points of argument. I need to watch the film anew, just to refresh on what the claims are. From memory, the film recalls the massive death tolls in the 1980's, with many feeling it was the medication that was the greatest instigator to destroying the immune system, such as AZT, which was a chemo therapy drug, I believe, so toxic it was taken off the market a decade or two before AIDS, but then brought back for the AIDS epidemic of the 1980's?

    I distrust the AMA, the CDC, big pharma on so many levels, dentistry, and so much of the "main stream" that have banned Vitamin B-17, and made it illegal, for example. It's easy for me to go point by point into many issues and find government and the corporate interests that come in and out of regulatory agencies of government back into the corporate world, to be highly criminal and suspect.

    I'm glad some here have had great help with their drugs. That is a great thing.

    I'm totally loving those of you who can talk through issues rather than immediately descend into venom smear rants against this or that source of something without addressing the topics specifically. I see that on Facebook quite a bit, and those pages and groups get tiring fast. I'm part of some "anarchist" groups (their political doctrine is "no rulers" and they conduct some of the most delightful, intelligent, thought provoking posts and banter back and forth as any place I've been. I value a homosexual viewpoint from fellows like I'll find on RJ, though. I appreciate those who respond intelligently and don't out of hand have to name call or seek to shame or ridicule, make a mockery of someone or a source without at least making a good case for their doing so.
  • 6packabs

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    Oct 20, 2016 8:12 AM GMT
    ReadyBuddy said
    mz29xy saidHere is something interesting... The doctor below was working with NIH to develop as a wide spread cure, but they wanted to make it too expensive so he just went back to Israel.

    us patent cure for aids 5676977
    silver 4 oxygen 4
    dr rabbi anterman

    The diamagnetic semiconducting molecular crystal tetrasilver tetroxide (Ag4 O4) is utilized for destroying the AIDS virus, destroying AIDS synergistic pathogens and immunity suppressing moieties (ISM) in humans.

    A single intravenous injection of the devices is all that is required for efficacy at levels of about 40 PPM of human blood. The device molecular crystal contains two mono and two trivalent silver ions capable of "firing" electrons capable of electrocuting the AIDS virus, pathogens and ISM. When administered into the bloodstream, the device electrons will be triggered by pathogens, a proliferating virus and ISM, and when fired will simultaneously trigger a redox chelation mechanism resulting in divalent silver moieties which chelate and bind active sites of the entities destroying them. The devices are completely non-toxic. However, they put stress on the liver causing hepatomegaly, but there is no loss of liver function.

    A novel molecular scale device is described which is bactericidal, fungicidal, viricidal and algicidal. The anti-pathogenic properties of the device are attributed to electron activity indigenous to diamagnetic semiconducting crystals of tetrasilver tetroxide (Ag4 O4) which contains two monovalent and two trivalent silver ions in each molecular crystal. When the crystals are activated with an oxidizing agent, they release electrons equivalent to 6.4×10-19 watts per molecule which in effect electrocute pathogens. A multitude of these devices are effective at such low concentrations as 0.3 PPM used as preservatives in a variety of formulations ranging from cosmetics to pharmaceuticals. Indeed, they are intended as active ingredients for pharmaceuticals formulated to destroy such pathogens as Staphylococcus aureus, and epidermidis, the latter of which it completely destroys in a nutrient broth culture of about 1 million organisms at 0.6 PPM, or Candida albercans, the vaginal yeast infection at 2.5 PPM, and the AIDS virus at 18 PPM.

    Thank you. That information was very interesting and worthy of further exploration. Notwithstanding the merits of the conventional HIV treatment drugs, we should all be aware that Big Pharma seeks to suppress the availability of cures for any disease that it cannot control and profit from making available. Government agencies are complicit in this (FDA, NIH, etc in the USA and similar agencies in most developed economies) - no conspiracy theory here. Thanks again - useful reading.


    Wow, that is a relief. Someone who sees government and Big Pharma for the vast criminal enterprises going on and which they are part of. Consider the kid who hears about VItamin B-17 (which government has made illegal, as it kills cancer cells) and he gets the most potent natural source of it, eats apricots pits, rids himself of his brain tumor, then begins to spread the word, and what does government do? Put him in prison.

    "Vaxxed," had some premier screenings here in Utah, and is being featured throughout the USA with the film makers. It was pulled from Robert DeNiro's film festival. I bet, most on here will rage against it without even having seen it. It features a whistle blower from the CDC, who was unknowingly recorded telling of their (CDC) falsifying reports and studies so as to coverup the link of the MMR vaccine to autism. That whistleblower, may just find himself "swimming with the fishes" soon, with the plea that the US Congress put a subpoena on him, but they won't. He is not meant to testify. Meanwhile, the US Congress gave full, 100% immunity to vaccine makers, they have no liability for their products. The vaccine court, funded by taxpayers (not big pharma) have paid out quite a lot. Kids used to have 8 vaccines in the schedule, now they are up to 70, and big pharma has 250 in the works, and there are those salivating to make all of this "mandatory." Good ol' Uncle Joe (as the criminal traitor FDR referred to him) Stalin, would be proud of the California legislature in their mandatory vaccination program for children.

    Why did so many die of AIDS in the 1980's? Was it due to the drugs administered at huge levels? Or was it the drugs that saved lives?

    Cannabis is curing people of cancer left and right, the knowledge of it is exploding. "Truth About Cancer," a 9 episode series on cancer that aired a year ago, featured in one of its episodes, some of those who have cured themselves of cancer with cannabis oils and extracts. It's interesting that this all remains illegal, while big pharma puts out $6,000 per injection of chemo, and the system doesn't bat an eye when tons go to a fast and rapid death with these conventional treatments. And a doctor giving laetrile (Vitamin B-17) is sent to prison for life, and they throw away the key on any such case.
  • 6packabs

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    Oct 20, 2016 9:54 AM GMT
    I'm convinced most didn't even watch the documentary, which is okay. I need to write up some things and get the transcript, post points I'd love to have folks disprove or at least address. I think the drugs brought out and given to homosexuals in the 1980's killed most of them. You who are today survivors aren't on that regimen, thank heavens.

    I have in recent months began again to look at this topic anew. Endless is the research, and many scientists on both sides. There are questions that I want to explore.

    Here is a film with additional viewpoints.

    Deconstructing The Myth Of AIDS
    Shortly after the 8:00 minute mark:

    VOICE:“HIV is so cleaver, it knows to cause Kaposi’s sarcoma in gay men---90% of Kaposi’s sarcoma is in gay men---HIV knows to cause Tuberculosis and Wasting syndrome in IV drug users, and it knows to cause diarrhea or candidiasis or thrush in hemophiliacs.”


    At 13 minutes in, a professor from Germany really lays out some interesting stuff. I should transcribe it. Here goes:

    VOICE:“The background of AIDS---and we are absolutely sure about this---is the antibiotic resistance catastrophe, killing people in hospitals like flies because there are no antibiotics available without resistance in some bacteria. So, in a state of immune suppression in the hospital, a lot of people come down with bacterial infections. This is called sepsis because of blood poisoning within too much bacteria are growing and producing toxins, this is going to kill them in a state of reduced immunity.

    “We had this problem already in the beginning of the ‘70’s. There have been kind of emergency conferences dealing with the problem because they were scared that resistance would spread and they have no antibiotics available, so they invented a very strong antibioticum and it’s not an antiobioticum to say, it’s pure chemotherapy. It’s a double folic acid antagonist, the good old sulfonamide and two of them put together would kill every microbe, but the problem is they were scared that in the gay scene, huge resistance would develop and spread into the population.


    I have a sister-in-law who is a nurse. By default, and it's in her mentality as it is for doctors in hospitals, to dump out antibiotics over anything. Though nobody can argue the great benefit of antibiotics, there is growing a great acknowledgement that their overuse brings about a great danger, as good bacteria and gut flora are destroyed too often, and thus special attention and care need to be made to bring the body back to par with the good microbes (pro-biotics now becoming trendy and a rage) to protect health.

    Then at 14:55:

    VOICE:“Many of the early AIDS cases were very, very sick, they were close to death when they got their diagnosis. Some of them had Kaposi’s sarcoma which is a poorly understood affliction of the blood vessels. At the time we thought it was a cancer, now we know that it was not, but they were given aggressive forms of chemotherapy which had the result of killing virtually all of them.”


    “The doctors later realized it was a mistake, only to the extent that they stopped it, although the medical profession never quite admits they made a mistake.”


    As with the original documentary that I didn’t see anyone specifically respond to other than to mostly out of hand reject it with venom, my big point is the mass slaughter in the 1980’s seemed to be via the medication, rather than AIDS itself. Changes tool place so that the medication wasn’t an instant death sentence (chemotherapy is plain lunacy, and I could go gather doctors who state that as their opinion, though admittedly they are in a minority).

    I appreciate those who can work through information. Thanks. I appreciate your intelligence and what you can share. It seems to me that an out of hand, instantaneous throwing someone into some fool categorization and smear because of something they post, is intellectually bankrupt as an approach, and surely, we can all raise out capacity to engage with rhetorical argument and addressing topics point by point. Admittedly, I feel I've poorly written much of what I have on this thread, just sharing ideas, and usually after my bedtime when I don't have the proper time to better articulate points, but for the curious and interested, I hope we can continue to sort through some of this and come to truths and convictions that will bless our lives and not leave us dupes of either big pharma scamming, nor diseases that could snuff out our lives for lack of knowledge or proper treatment.

    https://youtu.be/RfUYtXxps-Y
  • 6packabs

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    Oct 20, 2016 10:09 AM GMT
    Caslon said
    whateveryo saidPoppers damage the immune system ?! Oh shit ! icon_eek.gif

    At the very beginning of the AIDS epidemic (like before you were born, I guess icon_eek.gif ), poppers were suspected to be the cause, because gays used them so much. It was speculated that poppers were destroying their immune systems.


    So early on, this was taken serious. Would anyone argue that there yet isn't some cause for concern?

    In general, American's do outlandish things to their health. Government dumps fluoride in every municipal water supply they possibly can, and only fools think it is because "their government loves them, and wants to prevent them from developing cavities."

    This is the same government that gives you preemptive war abroad, massive criminal spying, illegal surveillance, secret CIA prisons, torture, "Humanitarian bombs on Libya" that as soon as Obama was in office was cheered and championed by these fools that rightly went unglued over the Bush/Cheney foreign policy (which is that of the CFR and the moneychangers, of which David Rockefeller boasts to be part of, in his "conspiring" "against the best interests of the United States" as stated on page 405 of his autobiography, "Memoirs"), but when "their" (democrats) puppet stooge for the bankers is in the White House, they turn stupid and war happy?

    Might HIV and AIDS be a catch-all condition given a broad brush diagnosis? I want to research more, and I haven't found too many people in this threat even addressing the arguments in the film, they just attack it outright without having listened or watched, and just go right along with the propaganda apparatus of the mainstream. In this case, the "mainstream" may be spot on in terms of HIV and AIDS, but the film makers have some points, as do their guests, and I'll have to put up some transcribed excerpts to have those addressed, but it might just do little more than piss some people off, and call for censorship, the admins to come in and save the day with censorship. When the US government has outlawed Vitamin B-17, puts fluoride in the water, and a long list of other sinister things, I don't by default put any trust in an organ of the state or any of its officers, nor the big corporate interests that prey upon diseased people for massive profiteering.
  • 6packabs

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    Oct 20, 2016 9:03 PM GMT
    "Patented" or "Rockefeller Medicine" Would Prefer We Not Know High Dosage Vitamin C is a "Viricide."

    Ebola? No problem. West Nile? Eliminated. Polio? Patients with it leave paralysis and are cured. All this talked about in Dr. Levy's book and lecture the link to which is at the bottom.

    I want to understand more, for the official AIDS theory doesn't make sense to me, and vaccines are freaking insane---surely at least, in the way they are being mass marketed today, the toxicity of which is overwhelming the system of children, as famous neurologist and brain surgeon, Dr. Russell Blaylock points out, causing massive auto-immune disorders, inflammation of the brain tissue, leading to autism and other destruction of the body. (All communicable diseases were in free fall at the end of the 19th century and into the 20th before vaccines came in and took the credit. Indoor plumbing, sewage systems, clean water sources, the automobile replacing horse drawn carriages in places such as New York where manure was deep and daily horse carcasses needed to be taken out of the city by crews along with the manure. All this began to be eliminated and the diseases were dropping---yet vaccines took credit).

    So, nutrition? High nutrition? What of those interviewed in the House of Numbers film who never went on AZT like their peers, who kept a healthy immune system and survived AIDS, while thousands of the rest using poppers, not abstaining from stressors, died? Something killed them, but I don't quite buy into the official story. At minimum, there should be acknowledgement that AZT helped eliminate a ton of them fast. (It had been banned as a chemotherapy drug).

    It's been years since a cousin researching this topic had sent links to a doctor in Atlanta curing AIDS patients (He was heating their blood to a certain temperature, possibly oxygenating it too, then sending it back into their system, as memory serves). The establishment medical mafia swooped in and shut him down, just as the government did to doctors curing people of cancer with Laetrile (Vitamin B-17) in the 1940's and '50's; subsequently making it illegal ($6,000 per injection of chemo is one hell of a business model, after all, we can't have free market solutions outside of "Rockefeller Medicine" curing folks). [NOTE: The Rockefeller and Carnegie foundations hijacked the medical schools a century ago, criminalizing all forms of medical practice that didn't adhere to their "patented medicine" model].

    Three years ago I went to a preparedness expo here in Utah where was flown in a doctor from Texas who in his presentation spoke of aloe vera juice administered to AIDS patients who were on death beds, and he said in a week, some were up and returning to work, and in 2 weeks, most had resumed life in normalcy. So is he lying? A huge portion of his presentation dealt with the war of government and big pharma against nutrition and criminalizing doctors and solutions they may have that isn't "patented medicine."

    I know people who have cured themselves of cancer. Most of these go against conventional treatments and wisdom. The avoid Chemo like the plague, and turned to potent nutrition and an altered lifestyle. The 9 episode serious "Truth About Cancer" features lots of different methods and treatments that have cured people of cancer, with the main theme of those films: "Cancer need not be a death sentence."

    I want to find if AIDS and HIV need not be a death sentence outside of Big Pharma's patented medicine model. I think the solution is in nutrition for all or nearly all disease. I laugh when I go to hospitals (or almost feel to bawl) and see the pig slop being fed to patients, straight out of the cafeteria, refined flours, sugars and fats, all slow poison. It's laughable that the doctors, for the most part, don't hardly have a concern of their food, it's all about the damn drugs and surgeries, which make good money---yes, what a business model---a criminal business model!

    Dwight D. Eisenhower's Secretary of Agriculture, Ezra Taft Benson stated:

    "We are an overfed and undernourished nation, digging an early grave for ourselves, with our teeth."

    And now, in terms of nutrition, we find the establishment warns against too much vitamin C. Over 20,000 peer reviewed studies on high dosage Vitamin C, and nowhere do you find Big Pharma, "Rockefeller Medicine," advocating Vitamin C. Why? Because it's a "viricide."

    I hope folks will take a look at this awesome video by Dr. Levy (You can listen at 2x speed), and perhaps buy his book, if it draws interest. And what might it do with AIDS and HIV? Big Pharma won't let you on on that, that is for sure?

    Vitamin C Antidote To All Known Toxins Thomas Levy, MD
    LewRockwell.com
    January 3, 2015

    In the following video, Thomas Levy, MD–cardiologist and author of five books–distills decades of research that led to very compelling results. He discusses his findings in plain language without resorting to science-speak. The case studies back up his findings that we can treat and cure our most horrendous illnesses with vitamin C. In his book, Curing the Incurable: Vitamin C, Infectious Diseases and Toxins, he states that he does not intend to sound inflammatory, just accurate. LRC readers have a keen interest in achieving health and wellness without being captives to the questionable practices of the medical-pharma cartel. The information in Dr. Levy’s video is a powerful tool to do exactly that.

    Note: it seems long for a Youtube, but is gripping and fascinating and important.

    https://youtu.be/GpptUsJFCEY
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    Oct 25, 2016 9:50 PM GMT
    I don't have to see the video. I've lived it. I've heard all the bogus treatments.

    AZT, a drug that can be toxic, was given to people who were dying. In high does it probably did hasten their demise. In Navy trials low dose seemed beneficial. I was on it for several years, prior to the "cocktail" that proved to stop AIDS.

    OP, you started this 4 years ago. Since then ART/TasP and PrEP have demonstrated to be highly effective. 96-100%.

    I'm no fan of Gilead. They are one of the 50 LEAST gay friendly corporations in the US, and are bordering on racketeering in drug pricing schemes.

    But stop with inane conspiracy ideology.