HIV woke me up to the fact that sex can be immoral and damaging

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    JackBlair69 saidAll gays would do well to read David Horowitz's "A Radical Holocaust."

    All of you READ THE WHOLE FUCKING THING.

    http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/Articles/z-RADICAL%20HOLOCAUST.htm

    Excerpt:

    Gay activists rejected the idea of integration into a normally functioning civil order. Gay liberation was identified with a sexual agenda that did not seek civic tolerance, respect, and integration into the public order of bourgeois life. It was defined instead as a defiant promiscuity, the overthrow of bourgeois morals and sexual restraints -- and, consequently, of bourgeois standards of public hygiene. No natural or moral barriers were recognized to the realization of the radical project.

    The Gay Liberation Front issued a manifesto in 1970 which proclaimed: “We are a revolutionary homosexual group of men and women formed with the realization that complete liberation of all people cannot come about unless existing social institutions are abolished. We reject society’s attempt to impose sexual roles and definitions of our nature.”

    The effect of this radical self-conception and agenda was immediate and unmistakable. In the years three years previous --- the flowering of the sexual revolution --- the incidence of amoebiasis, a parasitic sexually transmitted disease increased fifty times in San Francisco because of promiscuous oral-anal sex among gays. Despite the consequences, a Toronto leftist paper defended the practice in an article titled “Rimming As A Revolutionary Act.” During the next decade, the tolerant American civil order made room for the sexual revolutionaries. Public officials licensed sexual gymnasiums called “bathhouses” and turned a blind eye towards homosexual activity in bookstore backrooms, bars and “glory hole” establishments, until a $100 million public sex industry flourished by decade’s end, as what activists described as a homosexual “liberated zone.” At the same time, natural forces asserted themselves with ever more devastating results.

    As opportunistic but still treatable infections flourished in the petri dish of the liberated culture, gay radicals increased their defiance. Overloaded VD clinics became trysting places. “Gay men were being washed by tide after tide of increasingly serious infections. First it was syphilis and gonorrhea. Gay men made up about 80% of the 70,000 annual patient visits to [San Francisco’s] VD clinics. Easy treatment had imbued them with such a cavalier attitude toward VDs that many gay men saved their waiting-line numbers, like little tokens of desirability, and the clinic was considered an easy place to pick up both a shot and a date.” (Shilts)


    Quite an interesting analysis of what had happened. I would assume this was aim at enlightening people about morals....an attempt to farther stress the idea presented by the OP?


    I have not looked into any of the propaganda on the subject and after the hate I have already received here as a gay man, I sure am not going to start off by reading any propaganda posted to this thread. That's too easy to use when you are trying to change the subject matter. My guess somewhere in all that propaganda they are trying to turn me on sexually.
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    Vitality saidMy guess somewhere in all that propaganda they are trying to turn me on sexually.


    So all of this is because you're afraid to get laid because you have a disease? I have plenty of HIV+ friends and none of them have any hang-ups about sex. They know their status and are responsible, but still enjoy themselves as appropriate.
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    Aug 05, 2012 7:34 AM GMT
    Vitality said
    O5vx said
    JackBlair69 saidAll gays would do well to read David Horowitz's "A Radical Holocaust."

    All of you READ THE WHOLE FUCKING THING.

    http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/Articles/z-RADICAL%20HOLOCAUST.htm

    Excerpt:

    Gay activists rejected the idea of integration into a normally functioning civil order. Gay liberation was identified with a sexual agenda that did not seek civic tolerance, respect, and integration into the public order of bourgeois life. It was defined instead as a defiant promiscuity, the overthrow of bourgeois morals and sexual restraints -- and, consequently, of bourgeois standards of public hygiene. No natural or moral barriers were recognized to the realization of the radical project.

    The Gay Liberation Front issued a manifesto in 1970 which proclaimed: “We are a revolutionary homosexual group of men and women formed with the realization that complete liberation of all people cannot come about unless existing social institutions are abolished. We reject society’s attempt to impose sexual roles and definitions of our nature.”

    The effect of this radical self-conception and agenda was immediate and unmistakable. In the years three years previous --- the flowering of the sexual revolution --- the incidence of amoebiasis, a parasitic sexually transmitted disease increased fifty times in San Francisco because of promiscuous oral-anal sex among gays. Despite the consequences, a Toronto leftist paper defended the practice in an article titled “Rimming As A Revolutionary Act.” During the next decade, the tolerant American civil order made room for the sexual revolutionaries. Public officials licensed sexual gymnasiums called “bathhouses” and turned a blind eye towards homosexual activity in bookstore backrooms, bars and “glory hole” establishments, until a $100 million public sex industry flourished by decade’s end, as what activists described as a homosexual “liberated zone.” At the same time, natural forces asserted themselves with ever more devastating results.

    As opportunistic but still treatable infections flourished in the petri dish of the liberated culture, gay radicals increased their defiance. Overloaded VD clinics became trysting places. “Gay men were being washed by tide after tide of increasingly serious infections. First it was syphilis and gonorrhea. Gay men made up about 80% of the 70,000 annual patient visits to [San Francisco’s] VD clinics. Easy treatment had imbued them with such a cavalier attitude toward VDs that many gay men saved their waiting-line numbers, like little tokens of desirability, and the clinic was considered an easy place to pick up both a shot and a date.” (Shilts)


    Quite an interesting analysis of what had happened. I would assume this was aim at enlightening people about morals....an attempt to farther stress the idea presented by the OP?


    I have not looked into any of the propaganda on the subject and after the hate I have already received here as a gay man, I sure am not going to start off by reading any propaganda posted to this thread. That's too easy to use when you are trying to change the subject matter. My guess somewhere in all that propaganda they are trying to turn me on sexually.


    I find your idea very radical and thought provoking.
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    Vitality saidMy guess somewhere in all that propaganda they are trying to turn me on sexually.


    So all of this is because you're afraid to get laid because you have a disease? I have plenty of HIV+ friends and none of them have any hang-ups about sex. They know their status and are responsible, but still enjoy themselves as appropriate.


    I'm not afraid of those who are even irresponsible, I am afraid of what we are assuming as is appropriate.
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    Vitality saidMy guess somewhere in all that propaganda they are trying to turn me on sexually.


    So all of this is because you're afraid to get laid because you have a disease? I have plenty of HIV+ friends and none of them have any hang-ups about sex. They know their status and are responsible, but still enjoy themselves as appropriate.


    I'm not afraid of those who are even irresponsible, I am afraid of what we are assuming as is appropriate.


    If you want to get, you are going to have to give a little first.

    Define the "gay community" in your own words.

    What moral behaviours do you expect this community to adopt?

    What do you consider inappropiate sexual behaviour?

    Give us something to chew on so we can swallow it or spit it out.
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    JackBlair69 saidAll gays would do well to read David Horowitz's "A Radical Holocaust."

    All of you READ THE WHOLE FUCKING THING.

    http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/Articles/z-RADICAL%20HOLOCAUST.htm

    Excerpt:

    Gay activists rejected the idea of integration into a normally functioning civil order. Gay liberation was identified with a sexual agenda that did not seek civic tolerance, respect, and integration into the public order of bourgeois life. It was defined instead as a defiant promiscuity, the overthrow of bourgeois morals and sexual restraints -- and, consequently, of bourgeois standards of public hygiene. No natural or moral barriers were recognized to the realization of the radical project.

    The Gay Liberation Front issued a manifesto in 1970 which proclaimed: “We are a revolutionary homosexual group of men and women formed with the realization that complete liberation of all people cannot come about unless existing social institutions are abolished. We reject society’s attempt to impose sexual roles and definitions of our nature.”

    The effect of this radical self-conception and agenda was immediate and unmistakable. In the years three years previous --- the flowering of the sexual revolution --- the incidence of amoebiasis, a parasitic sexually transmitted disease increased fifty times in San Francisco because of promiscuous oral-anal sex among gays. Despite the consequences, a Toronto leftist paper defended the practice in an article titled “Rimming As A Revolutionary Act.” During the next decade, the tolerant American civil order made room for the sexual revolutionaries. Public officials licensed sexual gymnasiums called “bathhouses” and turned a blind eye towards homosexual activity in bookstore backrooms, bars and “glory hole” establishments, until a $100 million public sex industry flourished by decade’s end, as what activists described as a homosexual “liberated zone.” At the same time, natural forces asserted themselves with ever more devastating results.

    As opportunistic but still treatable infections flourished in the petri dish of the liberated culture, gay radicals increased their defiance. Overloaded VD clinics became trysting places. “Gay men were being washed by tide after tide of increasingly serious infections. First it was syphilis and gonorrhea. Gay men made up about 80% of the 70,000 annual patient visits to [San Francisco’s] VD clinics. Easy treatment had imbued them with such a cavalier attitude toward VDs that many gay men saved their waiting-line numbers, like little tokens of desirability, and the clinic was considered an easy place to pick up both a shot and a date.” (Shilts)


    Quite an interesting analysis of what had happened. I would assume this was aim at enlightening people about morals....an attempt to farther stress the idea presented by the OP?


    I can't feel up to reading thru much of all the mud slings and pickin on our slings ... it has to do with all the info on line on how to use parasites as a weapon. It's easy to do and the chance of perps that target individuals getting caught are nil to date. I was in SF in 1976, run out in 2008 after being run off the lineman job in 2002 with the phone company. Golly, if only they were held accountable in that class action lawsuit they fought in the Ca. Supreme court in SAN FRANCISCO and settled for A RECORD BREAKING SUM. But who cares about this DEREGULATED COMMUNICATIONS GIANT THAT CONTROLS CENTRAL OFFICES IN THE SPIRIT OF COMPETION without any pesky watchdogs such as the P.U.C. or the F.C.C. having any power .Thanks Ronny Reaguns and Judge Green! Lisa got 35 grand for writing a page by hand and turning it in complaining about the phonies. She a tough purdy lil' lesbian I love. I got nuddin. Ask me why! I wanted to look good in spite of being out and known as a gay central office tech. I just had to have that lineman job. I'm so pushy! Afetr 8 years and badda bings that didn't swing well I got in anyways, then held on for 15 years. How the hell can I tell my life story? nobody cares to date .. me. I just bark away like a crazed pup, gettin kinda old though ... but I'm still searchin for a heart of gold, and I'm getting old....
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    Aug 06, 2012 1:20 AM GMT
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    O5vx said
    JackBlair69 saidAll gays would do well to read David Horowitz's "A Radical Holocaust."

    All of you READ THE WHOLE FUCKING THING.

    http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/Articles/z-RADICAL%20HOLOCAUST.htm

    Excerpt:

    Gay activists rejected the idea of integration into a normally functioning civil order. Gay liberation was identified with a sexual agenda that did not seek civic tolerance, respect, and integration into the public order of bourgeois life. It was defined instead as a defiant promiscuity, the overthrow of bourgeois morals and sexual restraints -- and, consequently, of bourgeois standards of public hygiene. No natural or moral barriers were recognized to the realization of the radical project.

    The Gay Liberation Front issued a manifesto in 1970 which proclaimed: “We are a revolutionary homosexual group of men and women formed with the realization that complete liberation of all people cannot come about unless existing social institutions are abolished. We reject society’s attempt to impose sexual roles and definitions of our nature.”

    The effect of this radical self-conception and agenda was immediate and unmistakable. In the years three years previous --- the flowering of the sexual revolution --- the incidence of amoebiasis, a parasitic sexually transmitted disease increased fifty times in San Francisco because of promiscuous oral-anal sex among gays. Despite the consequences, a Toronto leftist paper defended the practice in an article titled “Rimming As A Revolutionary Act.” During the next decade, the tolerant American civil order made room for the sexual revolutionaries. Public officials licensed sexual gymnasiums called “bathhouses” and turned a blind eye towards homosexual activity in bookstore backrooms, bars and “glory hole” establishments, until a $100 million public sex industry flourished by decade’s end, as what activists described as a homosexual “liberated zone.” At the same time, natural forces asserted themselves with ever more devastating results.

    As opportunistic but still treatable infections flourished in the petri dish of the liberated culture, gay radicals increased their defiance. Overloaded VD clinics became trysting places. “Gay men were being washed by tide after tide of increasingly serious infections. First it was syphilis and gonorrhea. Gay men made up about 80% of the 70,000 annual patient visits to [San Francisco’s] VD clinics. Easy treatment had imbued them with such a cavalier attitude toward VDs that many gay men saved their waiting-line numbers, like little tokens of desirability, and the clinic was considered an easy place to pick up both a shot and a date.” (Shilts)


    Quite an interesting analysis of what had happened. I would assume this was aim at enlightening people about morals....an attempt to farther stress the idea presented by the OP?


    I can't feel up to reading thru much of all the mud slings and pickin on our slings ... it has to do with all the info on line on how to use parasites as a weapon. It's easy to do and the chance of perps that target individuals getting caught are nil to date. I was in SF in 1976, run out in 2008 after being run off the lineman job in 2002 with the phone company. Golly, if only they were held accountable in that class action lawsuit they fought in the Ca. Supreme court in SAN FRANCISCO and settled for A RECORD BREAKING SUM. But who cares about this DEREGULATED COMMUNICATIONS GIANT THAT CONTROLS CENTRAL OFFICES IN THE SPIRIT OF COMPETION without any pesky watchdogs such as the P.U.C. or the F.C.C. having any power .Thanks Ronny Reaguns and Judge Green! Lisa got 35 grand for writing a page by hand and turning it in complaining about the phonies. She a tough purdy lil' lesbian I love. I got nuddin. Ask me why! I wanted to look good in spite of being out and known as a gay central office tech. I just had to have that lineman job. I'm so pushy! Afetr 8 years and badda bings that didn't swing well I got in anyways, then held on for 15 years. How the hell can I tell my life story? nobody cares to date .. me. I just bark away like a crazed pup, gettin kinda old though ... but I'm still searchin for a heart of gold, and I'm getting old....


    Interesting.....I am not sure I follow the point of this post and how this is related to my earlier post.
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    Cash said25s7wqr.jpg


    PLEASE POST MOAR FOR GREAT JUSTICE!


    Hey, who is the person who made this photo to begin with? Did Firebrand make this?


    Ariodante made it
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    budrub said
    O5vx said
    JackBlair69 saidAll gays would do well to read David Horowitz's "A Radical Holocaust."

    All of you READ THE WHOLE FUCKING THING.

    http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/Articles/z-RADICAL%20HOLOCAUST.htm

    Excerpt:

    Gay activists rejected the idea of integration into a normally functioning civil order. Gay liberation was identified with a sexual agenda that did not seek civic tolerance, respect, and integration into the public order of bourgeois life. It was defined instead as a defiant promiscuity, the overthrow of bourgeois morals and sexual restraints -- and, consequently, of bourgeois standards of public hygiene. No natural or moral barriers were recognized to the realization of the radical project.

    The Gay Liberation Front issued a manifesto in 1970 which proclaimed: “We are a revolutionary homosexual group of men and women formed with the realization that complete liberation of all people cannot come about unless existing social institutions are abolished. We reject society’s attempt to impose sexual roles and definitions of our nature.”

    The effect of this radical self-conception and agenda was immediate and unmistakable. In the years three years previous --- the flowering of the sexual revolution --- the incidence of amoebiasis, a parasitic sexually transmitted disease increased fifty times in San Francisco because of promiscuous oral-anal sex among gays. Despite the consequences, a Toronto leftist paper defended the practice in an article titled “Rimming As A Revolutionary Act.” During the next decade, the tolerant American civil order made room for the sexual revolutionaries. Public officials licensed sexual gymnasiums called “bathhouses” and turned a blind eye towards homosexual activity in bookstore backrooms, bars and “glory hole” establishments, until a $100 million public sex industry flourished by decade’s end, as what activists described as a homosexual “liberated zone.” At the same time, natural forces asserted themselves with ever more devastating results.

    As opportunistic but still treatable infections flourished in the petri dish of the liberated culture, gay radicals increased their defiance. Overloaded VD clinics became trysting places. “Gay men were being washed by tide after tide of increasingly serious infections. First it was syphilis and gonorrhea. Gay men made up about 80% of the 70,000 annual patient visits to [San Francisco’s] VD clinics. Easy treatment had imbued them with such a cavalier attitude toward VDs that many gay men saved their waiting-line numbers, like little tokens of desirability, and the clinic was considered an easy place to pick up both a shot and a date.” (Shilts)


    Quite an interesting analysis of what had happened. I would assume this was aim at enlightening people about morals....an attempt to farther stress the idea presented by the OP?


    I can't feel up to reading thru much of all the mud slings and pickin on our slings ... it has to do with all the info on line on how to use parasites as a weapon. It's easy to do and the chance of perps that target individuals getting caught are nil to date. I was in SF in 1976, run out in 2008 after being run off the lineman job in 2002 with the phone company. Golly, if only they were held accountable in that class action lawsuit they fought in the Ca. Supreme court in SAN FRANCISCO and settled for A RECORD BREAKING SUM. But who cares about this DEREGULATED COMMUNICATIONS GIANT THAT CONTROLS CENTRAL OFFICES IN THE SPIRIT OF COMPETION without any pesky watchdogs such as the P.U.C. or the F.C.C. having any power .Thanks Ronny Reaguns and Judge Green! Lisa got 35 grand for writing a page by hand and turning it in complaining about the phonies. She a tough purdy lil' lesbian I love. I got nuddin. Ask me why! I wanted to look good in spite of being out and known as a gay central office tech. I just had to have that lineman job. I'm so pushy! Afetr 8 years and badda bings that didn't swing well I got in anyways, then held on for 15 years. How the hell can I tell my life story? nobody cares to date .. me. I just bark away like a crazed pup, gettin kinda old though ... but I'm still searchin for a heart of gold, and I'm getting old....


    I don't know what that all has to do with the Radical Left's complicity in the HIV/AIDS epidemic, but I do know a number of linemen here in NJ, and people who have worked with them. The most common story I hear is how much those guys drink on the job... and it's a LOT.


    They are in New Jersey.

    They SHOULD drink.

    HEAVILY.

    I am surprised they don't shoot heroin just to get the smell of Perth Amboy out of their brains.
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    O5vx said
    JackBlair69 saidAll gays would do well to read David Horowitz's "A Radical Holocaust."

    All of you READ THE WHOLE FUCKING THING.

    http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/Articles/z-RADICAL%20HOLOCAUST.htm

    Excerpt:

    Gay activists rejected the idea of integration into a normally functioning civil order. Gay liberation was identified with a sexual agenda that did not seek civic tolerance, respect, and integration into the public order of bourgeois life. It was defined instead as a defiant promiscuity, the overthrow of bourgeois morals and sexual restraints -- and, consequently, of bourgeois standards of public hygiene. No natural or moral barriers were recognized to the realization of the radical project.

    The Gay Liberation Front issued a manifesto in 1970 which proclaimed: “We are a revolutionary homosexual group of men and women formed with the realization that complete liberation of all people cannot come about unless existing social institutions are abolished. We reject society’s attempt to impose sexual roles and definitions of our nature.”

    The effect of this radical self-conception and agenda was immediate and unmistakable. In the years three years previous --- the flowering of the sexual revolution --- the incidence of amoebiasis, a parasitic sexually transmitted disease increased fifty times in San Francisco because of promiscuous oral-anal sex among gays. Despite the consequences, a Toronto leftist paper defended the practice in an article titled “Rimming As A Revolutionary Act.” During the next decade, the tolerant American civil order made room for the sexual revolutionaries. Public officials licensed sexual gymnasiums called “bathhouses” and turned a blind eye towards homosexual activity in bookstore backrooms, bars and “glory hole” establishments, until a $100 million public sex industry flourished by decade’s end, as what activists described as a homosexual “liberated zone.” At the same time, natural forces asserted themselves with ever more devastating results.

    As opportunistic but still treatable infections flourished in the petri dish of the liberated culture, gay radicals increased their defiance. Overloaded VD clinics became trysting places. “Gay men were being washed by tide after tide of increasingly serious infections. First it was syphilis and gonorrhea. Gay men made up about 80% of the 70,000 annual patient visits to [San Francisco’s] VD clinics. Easy treatment had imbued them with such a cavalier attitude toward VDs that many gay men saved their waiting-line numbers, like little tokens of desirability, and the clinic was considered an easy place to pick up both a shot and a date.” (Shilts)


    Quite an interesting analysis of what had happened. I would assume this was aim at enlightening people about morals....an attempt to farther stress the idea presented by the OP?


    I can't feel up to reading thru much of all the mud slings and pickin on our slings ... it has to do with all the info on line on how to use parasites as a weapon. It's easy to do and the chance of perps that target individuals getting caught are nil to date. I was in SF in 1976, run out in 2008 after being run off the lineman job in 2002 with the phone company. Golly, if only they were held accountable in that class action lawsuit they fought in the Ca. Supreme court in SAN FRANCISCO and settled for A RECORD BREAKING SUM. But who cares about this DEREGULATED COMMUNICATIONS GIANT THAT CONTROLS CENTRAL OFFICES IN THE SPIRIT OF COMPETION without any pesky watchdogs such as the P.U.C. or the F.C.C. having any power .Thanks Ronny Reaguns and Judge Green! Lisa got 35 grand for writing a page by hand and turning it in complaining about the phonies. She a tough purdy lil' lesbian I love. I got nuddin. Ask me why! I wanted to look good in spite of being out and known as a gay central office tech. I just had to have that lineman job. I'm so pushy! Afetr 8 years and badda bings that didn't swing well I got in anyways, then held on for 15 years. How the hell can I tell my life story? nobody cares to date .. me. I just bark away like a crazed pup, gettin kinda old though ... but I'm still searchin for a heart of gold, and I'm getting old....


    Just when ya think stuart has the most rambling, incoherent posts POSSIBLE....along comes budrub with his very FIRST post.

    Way to go!!!!

    *two thumbs up dude*

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    Just when ya think stuart has the most rambling, incoherent posts POSSIBLE....along comes budrub with his very FIRST post.

    Way to go!!!!

    *two thumbs up dude*

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    I just figured Chrome had spontaneously switched my default browser language to Lithuanian when budrub's post came up.
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    Cash:
    Any issues you may have with sex are completely unrelated to a retro-virus that has no mind, brain, or sentience.

    StephenOABC:
    Does that apply to every STD?
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    StephenOABC saidCash:
    Any issues you may have with sex are completely unrelated to a retro-virus that has no mind, brain, or sentience.

    StephenOABC:
    Does that apply to every STD?


    Addressing you is probably a complete waste of time since you have repeatedly proven yourself to be a COMPLETE blithering loon -- but

    YES.

    A virus or a bacteria.

    They are not judging you. YOU are judging you (and others) and using a disease as justification.

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    StephenOABC saidCash:
    Any issues you may have with sex are completely unrelated to a retro-virus that has no mind, brain, or sentience.

    StephenOABC:
    Does that apply to every STD?


    Addressing you is probably a complete waste of time since you have repeatedly proven yourself to be a COMPLETE blithering loon -- but

    YES.

    A virus or a bacteria.

    They are not judging you. YOU are judging you (and others) and using a disease as justification.



    Sex is not a riskless proposition.

    You would have to qualify that statement much more than you're doing to counter sound tables of low risk to high risk sexual behavior.

    I would not want you teaching any child or adult sex education at The Center on 13th Street, NYC or anywhere else.

    According to your logic this would follow as well: any issues you may have with heterosexual sex are completely unrelated to consequences (i.e., pregnancy). Conception has no mind, brain, or sentience.

    I do not value your line of reasoning. Whatever success you've had avoiding negative consequences are anecdotal.

    Your attempts at insults and rudeness are worth a block and ignore his posts.
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    yourname2000 saidViruses have no "morality". If someone infected with the virus has unprotected sex/shares a syringe/transfuses blood/etc with another person and the virus enters the other person and takes hold and replicates, it does so regardless of the gender of either person, whether the two are lawfully married (before God) heterosexuals who have been faithful to each other, and regardless even of whether the transaction was consensual or not. The virus doesn't care.

    Likewise, a despicable person could do all of the most heinously "immoral and damaging" sins and crimes you could ever imagine; but if the virus isn't present among his victims, or some random variable is met that keeps him safe even it if is present, that virus never has the chance to play the role of "Hammer of God" you would assign it.

    Unless you think God is so inept and devoid of any accuracy that He would need to carpet bomb all of humanity so randomly, it would seem a poor punishment for "immoral behavior". It actually seems disrespectful of God to think Him so clumsy, no?


    S T D - a good sex education teaches (and a respectable opinion on sex teaches) accountability for T: Transmission.
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    What? You want to take the T out of STD when it comes to STDs?
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    I think StephenOABC, MadeInMich (thinks God gives gays AIDS as punishment for non-monogamy), and Stuart the Reaper should be BFFs if they aren't already
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    Cash said
    StephenOABC saidCash:
    Any issues you may have with sex are completely unrelated to a retro-virus that has no mind, brain, or sentience.

    StephenOABC:
    Does that apply to every STD?


    Addressing you is probably a complete waste of time since you have repeatedly proven yourself to be a COMPLETE blithering loon -- but

    YES.

    A virus or a bacteria.

    They are not judging you. YOU are judging you (and others) and using a disease as justification.



    Sex is not a riskless proposition.

    You would have to qualify that statement much more than you're doing to counter sound tables of low risk to high risk sexual behavior.

    I would not want you teaching any child or adult sex education at The Center on 13th Street, NYC or anywhere else.

    According to your logic this would follow as well: any issues you may have with heterosexual sex are completely unrelated to consequences (i.e., pregnancy). Conception has no mind, brain, or sentience.

    I do not value your line of reasoning. Whatever success you've had avoiding negative consequences are anecdotal.

    Your attempts at insults and rudeness are worth a block and ignore his posts.


    Sex is not a to be judged.

    It simply is.

    Your wing-nut stance - along with your dime-store astrology - are irrelevant and quite frankly, foolish.

    comparing a virus to procreation is just plain stupid.

    My negative status is hardly annecdotal. It is the result of education and understanding.

    I came out at 15 in the early 80's at the height of the aids crisis. My first Husband died of it. He was one of the first diagnosed in NYC. He told Me on our first date. I said to Him then, I won't be afraid of it or ruled by it. But I won't put Myself at risk either.

    And I didn't.

    That is the reason I am NEGATIVE 22 years later.

    you can block and ignore Me if you want.

    But I can assure you - most don't. Only those that are afraid and appologetic.

    And spare Me with your references to 13th Street and The Center. I was there when EVERYone was dying.

    Your fear does Us no service.

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    Art_Deco saidI'm confused - the OP is a brand-new account today, August 3rd, with 2 posts. And already the profile pic and 3 others have been approved, and the account is verified?

    I didn't know it was possible for that to happen so quickly?


    It IS the moderator. Guess the forums are getting too boring.
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    Aug 08, 2012 3:34 AM GMT
    IIIIIIIIIIIII:
    Aren't you the same guy who believes in eating certain foods according to blood type? That has been shown to be a scam by many well respected organizations (e.g Mayo Clinic), by the way.

    StephenOABC:

    Substances in liquid and solid food enter the bloodstream. Whatever enters the bloodstream may have a positive, neutral, or negative effect. Blood cannot always mix with blood: the wrong blood type in a transfusion can have a negative effect. Blood cells do not carry food elements with equal ease or benefit to the body.

    Dr. D'Adamo, when speaking on the topic of the origins of blood types in humans, says we say "blood type" because the scientific community paid attention to blood first (one could say) but in actuality, the characteristics of blood go beyond blood and are found in other bodily fluids. (Over-simplifying this point: blood banks are needed for transfusions in emergency cases; saliva banks--who's heard of them; semen banks developed after blood banks.)

    Yes, people match their food to their nutritional needs. Food effects blood flow. Cayenne speeds circulation. People match their intake to their bodily needs, be it athletic needs or the needs of a diseased body.

    In 1980 Nachbar and Oppenheimer at New York University found that the "edible parts of 29 of 88 foods tested, including fresh fruits, roasted nuts, and processed cereal were found to possess significant lectin activity." This study showed that string beans and lima beans agglutinated type A cells. Type B cells were agglutinated by pomegranates and cocoa. Both types A and B (AB) cells were agglutinated by field beans while sunflower seeds agglutinated Type 0 cells.

    More than one hundred diseases are known to be blood type related. At least sixty of these are related to the ABO blood types. There is a preponderance of persons with type A blood in thirty three diseases including cardiovascular disease. bronchitis and several types of cancer. Type B is associated with twenty one diseases including UTI, bone cancer and multiple sclerosis. Type AB blood has no specific claim to fame. but shares seventeen diseases with either type A (example: bronchitis) or type B (example: cystitis). Persons with type O blood are predisposed to thirty two diseases including allergy, peptic ulcer, toxemia of pregnancy and disorders of the blood including hemorrhagic disease and leukemia.

    Most of the other blood group systems have some relationship to disease. The association between the Rh blood type and hemolytic disease of the newborn is well known.


    Yes, I do think food, blood type and bodily fluid characteristics (digestion does start in the mouth with saliva) are important topics. If you choose to ignore it, that's your opinion and lack of being informed.

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    Aug 08, 2012 4:13 AM GMT
    IIIIIIIIIIIII:
    If you have sex with twenty people and use condoms and thus, do not succumb to an HIV infection and remain HIV- then how would that be a morality issue?

    If you sleep with one person without using protection and succumb to HIV then it becomes a morality issue?

    StephenOABC:
    The critical article quoted in the thread about radical homosexuals not using condoms and not using adequate hygiene is the moral issue.


    If you need another issue: an HIV+ rapist of numerous women. Transmission is a moral issue.


    Second, various party drugs and alcohol impair the sobriety needed to take precautions. There were reports in the 1970s, 1980s, and 1990s of there being drugs and alcohol distributed at gay venues and events.

    Homosexual activity may be and has been compromised by

    - anonymity, no care attached (have sex at your own risk, no lifeguard here),

    - lowered inhibitions (inhibitions instilled by good sex education and counseling)

    - impaired senses and

    - impaired intuition (The critical point raised in the OP was the first moral issue raised).
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    Aug 08, 2012 12:45 PM GMT
    YAWN.... Come on guys... can't anyone do better?
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    Aug 11, 2012 7:28 PM GMT
    Merle Hoffman, author of Intimate Wars: The Life and Times of the Woman Who Brought Abortion from the Back Alley to the Board Room practiced safe sex and felt she needed an abortion.

    We've also heard of people who were not supposed to be capable of impregnating doing so.

    Sexual fluid transmission HAPPENS.