Stealing/borrowing your neighbor's wifi

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    Aug 15, 2012 3:03 AM GMT
    The problem is more often than not, people are seeking open wifi because they know someone else can be blamed for their...activity.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/24/unsecured-wifi-child-pornography-innocent_n_852996.html

    Not to mention that the motion picture industry is "baiting" people who download pirated movies to track the IP addresses.

    At a major financial firm my sister works at, several members of the IT department suddenly had clean desks and were never heard from again.

    Having open wifi is never a good idea. You might anonymously share this with your neighbors.

  • NerdLifter

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    Aug 15, 2012 3:19 AM GMT
    If it was me, I would ask them. It is the polite thing to do.

    Would also feel bad since if you do anything illegal via the web, IE downloading copyrighted material, it will be traced back to his or her IP address. So connecting to their network without asking is an unethical practice.

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    And as a general PSA, secure your networks with WPA2 8+ digit randomized passwords. I know it is harder to remember, but much harder to crack into.

    Also, do NOT use WEP. A middle schooler with an elementary understanding of BackTrack Linux could break into that in under 2-3 minutes.
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    Aug 15, 2012 3:22 AM GMT
    actually 3 weeks ago i had no internet in my apartment and i asked my nieghbor if i could use hers.. and she gave me the password and everything and i was surprised.. it was only for a few days and i did check my bank account a few times however i knew it was her...she's no mad skill hacker and line was secure. I bought her lunch. She attempted too feel me up.
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    Aug 15, 2012 3:23 AM GMT
    Studinprogress said

    Also, do NOT use WEP. A middle schooler with an elementary understanding of BackTrack Linux could break into that in under 2-3 minutes.


    White hat hackers at Defcon have used Backtrack to crack weak WEP keys in under 30 seconds.
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    Aug 15, 2012 3:23 AM GMT
    as a temporary solution, i'm sure many people have done this. as a long-term solution, its unethical, unadvisable, and in many places illegal.

    hopefully, by piggybacking off someone else's WIFI, you are not the dumber of the dumbasses in this situation.

    by using an unsecured network, you could in become the victim of any number of security problems, malicious associations, identity theft, etc.

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    Aug 15, 2012 3:25 AM GMT
    Global_Citizen said
    Studinprogress said

    Also, do NOT use WEP. A middle schooler with an elementary understanding of BackTrack Linux could break into that in under 2-3 minutes.


    White hat hackers at Defcon have used Backtrack to crack weak WEP keys in under 30 seconds.
    I have a password that is over 15 alphanumeric characters.

    Do the math. It would take longer than the life of the universe for even the fastest computer to crack that...though it's been tried SEVERAL times. icon_cool.gif

    BTW, I don't use WEP. icon_wink.gif
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    Aug 15, 2012 3:27 AM GMT
    Would this be bad if they were stealing your internet?
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    Aug 15, 2012 3:31 AM GMT
    paulflexes said
    Global_Citizen said
    Studinprogress said

    Also, do NOT use WEP. A middle schooler with an elementary understanding of BackTrack Linux could break into that in under 2-3 minutes.


    White hat hackers at Defcon have used Backtrack to crack weak WEP keys in under 30 seconds.
    I have a password that is over 15 alphanumeric characters.

    Do the math. It would take longer than the life of the universe for even the fastest computer to crack that...though it's been tried SEVERAL times. icon_cool.gif

    BTW, I don't use WEP. icon_wink.gif


    I said a weak WEP key, which many people still use. I said nothing about a 15 character WPA2 key. But give it another five years and your 15 character key will be just as easily crackable.
  • NerdLifter

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    Aug 15, 2012 3:35 AM GMT
    paulflexes said
    Global_Citizen said
    Studinprogress saidAlso, do NOT use WEP. A middle schooler with an elementary understanding of BackTrack Linux could break into that in under 2-3 minutes.
    White hat hackers at Defcon have used Backtrack to crack weak WEP keys in under 30 seconds.
    I have a password that is over 15 alphanumeric characters.

    Do the math. It would take longer than the life of the universe for even the fastest computer to crack that...though it's been tried SEVERAL times. icon_cool.gif

    BTW, I don't use WEP. icon_wink.gif

    15 alphanumeric characters in a WPA key would indeed take quite a long time to break, longer than the lifetime of any computer trying to break it.

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    Aug 15, 2012 3:36 AM GMT
    It comes down to your own morals and decisions. Just because your neighbor leaves thier door unlocked all day long, does that give you the right to go in and use their home? No. I know you're not necessarily being malicious about it, so I don't mean it that way. I think you need to get your own service.

    Unless, of course, there's a reason why your neighbors have an open line. Do they invite people over their home to work on things on the internet, like conduct workshops and things? You sure you don't live near a coffee house?
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    Aug 15, 2012 3:39 AM GMT
    Import saidNow, be honest people. If you had a full signal, and fast internet access provided free through your neightbor- would u take advantage?

    If you discovered that they had gone off and left their front door unlocked, would you consider it okay to go in and steal stuff from their house because they were "dumbasses" for leaving the place unlocked?

    Even if there were no moral component to this scenario for me (which there is), I still wouldn't do it, on accounta I believe that what goes around comes around -- one way or another. So I'm a pragmatist like that.

    EDIT: While I was typing this, ECnAZ beat me to the first part of it. icon_smile.gif
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    Aug 15, 2012 3:41 AM GMT
    When my net went out for 2 days I borrowed some girls wifi from next door. Their network was called "meangirls" icon_lol.gif Painfully slow though, I suspect a lot of us were borrowing from them and considering Rogers charges crazy prices for capped internet here, they probably paid a bundle.
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    Aug 15, 2012 8:47 AM GMT
    I assume integrity is important to you. If so, the appropriate and courteous thing would be to go ask them if you can use their WiFi. You might even be a good neighbor and suggest that they secure it. If they let you for the time being, awesome. If not, just wait until you can afford it.

    Would you mind a freeloader mooching off of what your hard-earned money pays for without permission? I doubt it.
    Honor yourself. Honor them.
    Be the person of integrity that you are.
  • rnch

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    Aug 15, 2012 10:29 AM GMT
    How 'bout a compromise?

    Offer to pay half of their internet service if they will password secure it?
  • Medjai

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    Aug 15, 2012 10:37 AM GMT
    paulflexes said
    Global_Citizen said
    Studinprogress said

    Also, do NOT use WEP. A middle schooler with an elementary understanding of BackTrack Linux could break into that in under 2-3 minutes.


    White hat hackers at Defcon have used Backtrack to crack weak WEP keys in under 30 seconds.
    I have a password that is over 15 alphanumeric characters.

    Do the math. It would take longer than the life of the universe for even the fastest computer to crack that...though it's been tried SEVERAL times. icon_cool.gif

    BTW, I don't use WEP. icon_wink.gif


    http://xkcd.com/936/
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    Aug 15, 2012 10:43 AM GMT
    TerraFirma saidI assume integrity is important to you.

    I'm not sure why you would assume that. OP already considered himself a "low-life" and said he didn't care if it was legal or not. Don't think his ethics bar is too high.
  • FireDoor211

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    Aug 15, 2012 11:06 AM GMT
    A friend of mine never secures her network because she feels for people who can't afford Internet. So she just let's the neighborhood leach her signal. Maybe I should do that, I have a pretty strong connection.
  • RunnerMD

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    Aug 15, 2012 11:24 AM GMT
    No, I wouldn't do that without their permission. Just follow the golden rule and you'll be fine.

    They are a neighbor, right? You couldn't bother to explain your temporary situation and ask permission to use it until you had your own services?
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    Aug 15, 2012 12:21 PM GMT
    Global_Citizen said
    paulflexes said
    Global_Citizen said
    Studinprogress said

    Also, do NOT use WEP. A middle schooler with an elementary understanding of BackTrack Linux could break into that in under 2-3 minutes.


    White hat hackers at Defcon have used Backtrack to crack weak WEP keys in under 30 seconds.
    I have a password that is over 15 alphanumeric characters.

    Do the math. It would take longer than the life of the universe for even the fastest computer to crack that...though it's been tried SEVERAL times. icon_cool.gif

    BTW, I don't use WEP. icon_wink.gif


    I said a weak WEP key, which many people still use. I said nothing about a 15 character WPA2 key. But give it another five years and your 15 character key will be just as easily crackable.


    Or someone who knows how to use the GPU on their video card to decrypt your keys today.
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    Aug 15, 2012 12:23 PM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidIf you can spend 7G on furniture you can get your own internet.

    There is a dichotomy I see with people who like to show the world that they can afford fancy luxury cars, expensive clothing and extravagant furnishings. They want to tell the world how much they can afford by buying expensive things and show the world their 'brand image' and how elite they are. Yet, when it comes to something as basic as a monthly utility bill they're happy to leech on and take advantage. When there's no one to impress they're cheap and frugal as all hell.

    That shows no integrity whatsoever.

    Honestly, if you weren't spending $7,000 on furniture I'd say go for it. But since you have the money you shouldn't do it. Doing it for a few days until you get your own cable isn't a big deal. But to save money in the long run after all that you spent on your material possessions sounds absurd.


    Sadly .. leaching off other people is how some save the money to make extravagant purcheses....

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    Aug 15, 2012 1:06 PM GMT
    My wifi bill's bundled with both the cell and cable. Will you be stealing their cable too? Also I've got another house I'll be renting and I'm bumping up the rent accordingly as a lease will include the password to my wifi which reaches there with good signal.

    It's not all that horrible a theft but not all that honorable either. I don't think it is like going into someone's home to steal, it's more like them accidentally throwing their stuff through your window during a domestic quarrel and you deciding to keep it. The only why, to me, that it is theft is in that, as I understand it which might be a misunderstanding, it could slow down--to whatever minor degree--the service to their own puters.

    Otherwise, I loved the post about what a computer guy could do to your puter now that you've voluntarily networked into theirs which I suspected possible but didn't know the particulars. I believe the most appropriate solution is the poster's who suggested getting permission, assuming there's someway of notifying them which is pretty neighborly because then you can also warn them that they are unsecured.

    Also you could ask to pay part of their bill on a regular basis to lower both their bill and the bill you'd be paying if you did what you know you need to do to remove this question from your mind.
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    Aug 15, 2012 1:44 PM GMT
    Despite the technical risks, I still see it as theft.

    I wouldn't steal from a neighbour's house, so I'm not going to steal their paid for bandwidth.

    I've actually told my neighbour to secure her network before.

  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Aug 15, 2012 1:51 PM GMT
    If the neighbors wifi is not secured, and you're using their wifi, that makes yours not secured. Secondly, if the neighbor's router goes down or needs rebooting and they are not around to do that, that leaves you without internet. The potential hassles hardly seem worth the monthly cost to have your own secured wifi.
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    Aug 15, 2012 2:01 PM GMT
    I had a similar experience when I moved in. I thought, hey, this is great so I used what was offered (sort of). About a month later the neighbors moved. They never informed me they were moving, they just packed and left. I thought that was pretty inconsiderate of them! They left me stranded for several days with no internet connection….I've never forgave them! LOL

    Use it….until too many neighbors slow the speed, then you can get your own icon_smile.gif Considerate it a gift from some very nice neighbors and then you can repay them by testing it daily to ensure the line is still active and working.
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    Aug 15, 2012 2:02 PM GMT
    it is only stealing when someone else does it!