Stealing/borrowing your neighbor's wifi

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    Aug 15, 2012 2:04 PM GMT
    FireDoor211 saidA friend of mine never secures her network because she feels for people who can't afford Internet. So she just let's the neighborhood leach her signal. Maybe I should do that, I have a pretty strong connection.


    Funnily enough, BT, the main UK internet supplier, have turned leeching into a virtue. They set up a system call BT Fon, whereby you allow your home hub securely to give up a small percentage of your bandwith, which is then securely available for other BT Fon users to use. It worked great for me when I was working away from home on my last posting. Instead of having to pay for two internet accounts, I was able to keep my account at home and use a BT Fon connection in my military accommodation.
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    Aug 15, 2012 2:20 PM GMT
    Sharing is a lovely idea and then why couldn't towns just do that and take it out of our property taxes. But is that then stealing from the company providing the service. Is there someway for them to monitor how many puters are hooked into their system and then why wouldn't they simply start charging more for each access point based on the number of users?

    So then is it really a kind act of sharing or are you just kicking that theft can down the road?
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    Aug 15, 2012 3:21 PM GMT
    for the people that are all..... "u can spend 7k on furniture, but not in internet?"

    Did u not read what I posted? I said I has an appointment being scheduled today...with COX internet and cable.... I had fully planned on paying for it, which is why I made an appointment for them to come out, install it, so I can pay it.... icon_rolleyes.gif


    it's just this unlikely unsecured network came about and got me thinking is all.

    So, dont get ur panties in a bunch, people.
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    Aug 15, 2012 3:32 PM GMT
    "borrowing" your neighbor's internet isn't just illegal. Its dangerous. An open WiFi connection is the 21st century equivalent of an expensive bit of cheese on a mousetrap. When you connect to someone else's WiFi it is possible for them to view every single piece of data that comes and goes from your computer if they have the right hard/software. If you don't want to pay for cable then get a TV with a digital decoder built in (or a decoder box). I get 40 channels of FREE television with a cheap $10 rabbit ear antenna i bought at the Shack and the digital tuner in my TV set. But you MUST get your own internet and SECURE it with a good firewalled router.
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    Aug 15, 2012 3:40 PM GMT
    To the OP: would I ... Nope due to the reasons others have posted about it being a 2 way street and Im paranoid of people getting my bank account info etc.

    This Conversation is why I have a 64hex wpa key that is not able to be guessed by any dictionary attack etc...... A key similar to( note not my real key)

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    No one will guess that and a attack would take yearsssssssssssssssss to accomplish any intrusion. a Hacker would be better served by breaking down my door and stealing my physical PC..


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    Aug 15, 2012 3:48 PM GMT
    1. There's such a thing as integrity. Some folks DO have it.
    2. If there's a packet sniffer on the neighbor's unsecured wi-fi, be prepared to see your bank account go away, your credit card numbers swiped and so on. That fact that the wifi is not secured should be evidence enough that the network is bad news to anyone of any intelligence about information security.
    3. Stealing is stealing, even when it's convenient.

    You're talking about what's called selective ethics, where the person justifies an action by someone else's carelessness, or the ease of the action. Rationalization it's called. Every day, I walk into the gym and there are unlocked lockers with keys, and billfolds. Do I do steal them? Of course not. I have ethics and integrity. Your situation is no different. It's just that it's virtual rather than physical but it's no different than the dumb person that leaves keys and a billfold in an unlocked locker.

    You can choose to be a decent, honest, person, who does the right thing, or not, but, be honest. Stealing is stealing, even if it's virtual.

    The thing is, are you a scum bag, or not a scum bag?

    You spent $7000 on furniture you likely didn't need, but, want to steal the neighbor's wifi because the neighbor is ignorant? Sounds like you're a bit head fucked to me. LOL. And, you're seeking validation for it.

    In an insane society a sane man has to appear to be insane in order to be regarded as sane.

    Use your cell phone for a couple of days. Show some class. The cable company will be there soon enough. Once you've stolen, you can never make the claim you haven't. Keep your record clean.

    Stealing is stealing.
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    Aug 15, 2012 3:53 PM GMT
    Get your own internet. This kind of act just says what kind of person you are since you know what you are doing is wrong and yet are still doing it.
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    Aug 15, 2012 3:56 PM GMT
    Guy101 saidGet your own internet. This kind of act just says what kind of person you are since you know what you are doing is wrong and yet are still doing it.


    Yep, and, so ... he goes seeking validation for what he knows is wrong, because hey, it's convenient, and the neighbor is ignorant. It's the rationale of thieves the world over.
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    Aug 15, 2012 4:15 PM GMT
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    TerraFirma saidI assume integrity is important to you.

    I'm not sure why you would assume that. OP already considered himself a "low-life" and said he didn't care if it was legal or not. Don't think his ethics bar is too high.

    To be perfectly frank, I was appealing to his better sense and judgment. I assumed that he (OP) wouldn't have posed the original question if he didn't experience some sort of internal conflict, as he knew what was right but was looking for reasons (and others' support) to justify stealing. Even if it may be low, it doesn't have to remain low. We all have the potential to be better than we think we are.
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    Aug 15, 2012 4:44 PM GMT
    Now typing u guys from MY OWN internet connection now. COX just guys left.
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    Guy who said, that it's like walking into the gym and seeing and unlocked locker with his keys and wallet in it..... that it's the same.

    No, it's not. A wallet, keys (and car) and tanglible items that when stolen...will negatively affect the victim..

    A wifi signal is not a tanglible item that I'm stealing. Nor the "victim" really being adversely affected by me using the internet.
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    Aug 15, 2012 4:45 PM GMT
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    Guy101 saidGet your own internet. This kind of act just says what kind of person you are since you know what you are doing is wrong and yet are still doing it.


    Yep, and, so ... he goes seeking validation for what he knows is wrong, because hey, it's convenient, and the neighbor is ignorant. It's the rationale of thieves the world over.


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    Aug 15, 2012 4:47 PM GMT
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    chuckystud said
    Guy101 saidGet your own internet. This kind of act just says what kind of person you are since you know what you are doing is wrong and yet are still doing it.


    Yep, and, so ... he goes seeking validation for what he knows is wrong, because hey, it's convenient, and the neighbor is ignorant. It's the rationale of thieves the world over.


    +1


    where do u live? I feel like stealing your internet just for the fun of it
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    Aug 15, 2012 4:51 PM GMT
    Eh.. If they're not making it secured.. Screw that. Just use it! ;P
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    Aug 15, 2012 4:56 PM GMT
    Import said
    n8698u said
    chuckystud said
    Guy101 saidGet your own internet. This kind of act just says what kind of person you are since you know what you are doing is wrong and yet are still doing it.


    Yep, and, so ... he goes seeking validation for what he knows is wrong, because hey, it's convenient, and the neighbor is ignorant. It's the rationale of thieves the world over.


    +1


    where do u live? I feel like stealing your internet just for the fun of it



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    Aug 15, 2012 5:10 PM GMT
    Sorry mate , but if you can afford to spend 7 k on furniture , you should stop stealing WI-FI from your neighbour and pay for your own !!
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    Aug 15, 2012 5:20 PM GMT
    I wouldn't steal the wi-fi, but if I knew and liked the neighbor, I might approach him and offer to share the cost. If he grants permission but won't take your $$, then I'd give him a great bottle of wine.
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    Aug 15, 2012 5:24 PM GMT
    Coach_Mike saidMisread this as stealing/borrowing your neighbor's wife


    I also read that.
    Just SO wrong on many levels. Gay men should be more respectful of themselves. We have a reputation to uphold.
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    Aug 15, 2012 5:34 PM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle said
    ECnAZ said Just because your neighbor leaves thier door unlocked all day long, does that give you the right to go in and use their home? No.


    It doesn't? But.... my neighbor, who happens to be voluptuous and bosomy, has really pretty, lacy, slinky undergarments that fit me so perfectly.

    I swear I always put everything back the way I found it and before I sully and/or stain any fabrics.


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    Aug 15, 2012 10:59 PM GMT
    Import saidNow typing u guys from MY OWN internet connection now. COX just guys left.
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    Guy who said, that it's like walking into the gym and seeing and unlocked locker with his keys and wallet in it..... that it's the same.

    No, it's not. A wallet, keys (and car) and tanglible items that when stolen...will negatively affect the victim..

    A wifi signal is not a tanglible item that I'm stealing. Nor the "victim" really being adversely affected by me using the internet.


    Some folks. So, it it's not a hard good, and it's data, like software, or network, etc., it's not stealing? Again, the rational of thieves world wide.

    At a minimum it's a violation of your neighbor's space. Now, you could go offer to pay for it and it would be a shared, insecure, connection.

    I have the good fortune of being from Nebraska, where there's lots of decent folks, and such. One time, I left my weightlifting belt hanging on a weight tree. I went back a week later, and it was exactly as I left it. Unfortunately, here in North Texas, where I've lived for 17 years, anything not fastened down, and much stuff that is fastened down, gets stolen in short order.

    Just because something presents itself (opportunity) it doesn't mean you should exploit it. That's what ethics, and integrity, are all about. Several folks here have never learned that, or know it and choose to ignore it.

    There are takers and givers in The World, and there are folks who have integrity and those who don't. I've met both, and I've met a number of folks who have what I call selective ethics: notions like: the boss has 800 cds, he won't miss five if I take them home. That's STILL stealing.
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    Aug 15, 2012 11:10 PM GMT
    I smell something....This is a troll thread


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    Aug 15, 2012 11:20 PM GMT
    Phone conversation at the neighbors:
    "Sylvia, I'm so glad I got a hold of you. I'm so distraught. I just discovered someone's been surfing these awful gay websites like RealJock, Adam4Adam, and Manhunt. There's only two of us in this house and I know it wasn't me. It can only be...John! What the hell am I going to do? Who the hell did I marry?"
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    Aug 15, 2012 11:30 PM GMT
    MisterMars saidI smell something....This is a troll thread


    You've been here one day, and have an empty profile - and you're calling one of our brightest contributors a Troll?
    Import is no Troll. Nice going.

    I've been here for over five years, and a whole lot of guys know me well - in person. My s.o. is on here - and has been here five years himself. Yet there are two stupid asses who have accused us of being a Trolls or socks - - or of having them. "Bitter old queens" is the name my friends have given these two idiots.
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    Aug 15, 2012 11:51 PM GMT
    Import saidNow typing u guys from MY OWN internet connection now. COX just guys left.
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    Guy who said, that it's like walking into the gym and seeing and unlocked locker with his keys and wallet in it..... that it's the same.

    No, it's not. A wallet, keys (and car) and tanglible items that when stolen...will negatively affect the victim..

    A wifi signal is not a tanglible item that I'm stealing. Nor the "victim" really being adversely affected by me using the internet.


    I'm not sure if a wireless connection might be considered intangible just because you can't see it. People can feel robbed even if you don't rob them directly.

    How would you feel if you were paying $1500/month to rent the condo unit which it just so happens you recently furnished and then found out that the condo owner next door has been living for free for the last three years, failing to pay his underwater mortgage monthly payments to the bank?

    You're paying $18,000/year to rent while he "bought" no money down so has nothing invested yet gets to live in an identical unit for free. (On top of which, he's been taking fabulous vacations on the $54k he hasn't paid in rents.) You don't feel robbed? Intangible? He's not even robbing you, but if you find out about it, wouldn't you feel like you're getting ripped off?

    Oh and PS, congrats on your new, paid wireless service. Enjoy.
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    Aug 16, 2012 4:17 AM GMT
    This argument makes no sense. The owner of the Internet connection has a duty to secure the connection, if they fail to do so THEY are liable.

    Since Star Bucks, and thousands of other commericial districts leave their wifi unsecured, the analogy of "stealing" is stupid. I can go to the public library and "steal" Internet as well...
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    Aug 16, 2012 4:22 AM GMT
    I think you should introduce yourself to your neighbor and explain whats up with COX and ask if he has any issues with your using his connection.

    It helps crack the ice with your neighbor anyway and I doubt if he has much of a problem... but I'd be honest. ask...