Lack of racial diversity in my local gay community really bringing me down

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    Aug 30, 2012 2:50 PM GMT
    ugh, guys! I'm like so depressed! There's not enough ethnic dick where I live either!!!

    It's really bringing me down icon_sad.gif
    Like, when I log onto grindr it's nothing but fat white trash people everywhere. Why can't I just live in LA or something? ugh, im too sophisticated for these not-in-the-know white people icon_sad.gif

    wheres my a-rabs at? blacks holler at me! Gaysians, hit me up. Mixed race hotties, give ur a boo a kiss! Blatinos, fuck my hole!
    gawwwd. I need some ethnic dick so fucking bad right now. Get me out of here!!!!
  • AllAmericanJo...

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    Aug 30, 2012 3:12 PM GMT
    Another_Jeremy said
    Shinra_Tensei saidPeople like Another_Jeremy are the reason some white guys still aren't into black guys even though tons of black guys have amazing bodies.


    People like Shinra_Tensei are the reason that racial minorities show little interest in the causes of the gay movement and that superficiality is the norm in the gay community.

    I guess the reason some christians have a problem with gay men is just because of all of the "gay whores?"

    I am not "black guys." I am one black man. If you're not "into black guys" it's not because of me sweetie. It's because you're a racist. Own it.

    Cheers!


    Wow, I actually agree with AJ (hell freezes over). Yup, Shinra: he got you there. Lumping all black guys together based on the actions of one douchebag is pretty racist.

    FYI, yourname2000 is legitimately probably the least racist person of any race on RealJock (besides running11).
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    Import saidugh, guys! I'm like so depressed! There's not enough ethnic dick where I live either!!!

    It's really bringing me down icon_sad.gif
    Like, when I log onto grindr it's nothing but fat white trash people everywhere. Why can't I just live in LA or something? ugh, im too sophisticated for these not-in-the-know white people icon_sad.gif

    wheres my a-rabs at? blacks holler at me! Gaysians, hit me up. Mixed race hotties, give ur a boo a kiss! Blatinos, fuck my hole!
    gawwwd. I need some ethnic dick so fucking bad right now. Get me out of here!!!!


    "Ethnic" huh? Aren't you and everyone else on the planet "ethnic"?
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    i am not a racist, i have never attended a NASCAR event
  • ohioguy12

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    Sep 01, 2012 12:59 PM GMT
    DEKIRUMAN saidAmerican gays have smaller brains.

    Go for Europeans

    South Americans

    Japanese

    Vietnamese

    Also closeted guys are LOT more open about dating interracially.


    I am actually starting to believe this too
  • HndsmKansan

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    Sep 01, 2012 1:08 PM GMT
    I absolutely agree! I remember my trips to Toronto (before I really came out of the closet) and had a chance to really experience Church St. and see some of what Toronto has to offer. I was amazed and it was very much a positive learning experience for me on so many levels....

    And yeah.. in Kansas, you don't see much diversity. It isn't horrible, but nothing like a place like TO brings!

    I think your issue is to accept what is..... or go back to TO.
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    to the OP..hmm this is an American commonness....dont expect any better either (they dont know any better)..the majority of American gay men are like this and its not just white men. Within the gay community...each racial group tend to be well..not into black guys, including some black gays. American society advertises every day that to be black is not desired or wanted so i wouldn't expect any other behavior. So hey..it sends a message about America itself. "SLOW AND BACKWARDS" in the way that they think...i know what you mean as i visited toronto, had a blast..visited the u.k..had waay too much fun..and to the men there..i was not a "black man" i was just a guy. But here in America..people just see you by your skin tone..slow and backwards...and the majority who do this..well..consist of white and latin men.
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    Sep 01, 2012 2:29 PM GMT
    In many parts of the US the gay scene isn't so diverse and people tend to flock towards their own. When you're not exposed to so much diversity or rather, when you view the "other" as something to be feared or loathed, what you get is backwards thinking. The US has a long way to go, it's true but you shouldn't lament the fact that some guy isn't into you/people like you...it's a sign of his ignorance and un-cosmopolitan personality more than anything else. As someone living in the Midwest who travels internationally regularly I DEF know what you're talking about...men can be very narrow-minded and simple...but it's their issue, not yours. Keep it moving.

    (As an aside, you shouldn't judge gay men or people in general based on what they profess to like or do publicly...people like and do a lot of things which might surprise you when they think no one is looking. Gay men are quite shameless once they stop bullshitting. They don't own it, sure, but it is what it is.)
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    JackKash saidI get tired of these threads too..which i am begining to see what some white men could possibly and quite easily spin this thread out to say. Eventhough its not intentioned the thread content reads: Why wont white guys fuck me? Im tired of dating and fucking plain old black guys. PLEASE... lets get some white guys in here who will say they will fuck black guys for like 50 millionth time.

    Thats how these threads read.


    That's what I thought when I read the OP's post.

    I just don't see the point in a black guy lamenting--on REALJOCK--over the fact that the white men in his city have failed to show enough interest in him. He seems to be begging for acceptance by a group that has already rejected him. To me, that's pathetic.

    Also, I'm not even sure it's useful to try to have conversations about race relations on this website. People define concepts like racism and equality differently. So, whenever topics involving race problems come up, having a decent conversation is virtually impossible because people don't agree on what the problem actually is.

    Here's my response to the OP:

    If you'd rather be with a white man than be with a black man, just own it! We're in a free country, and as long as you're not running for president, most people won't care! But to get the white man you want, you probably will have to do the following:

    1. Get some more muscle, make sure your "paper" (education, career, salary, etc.) is "right," and show that swagger (if you have it). You will need at least 2 of the 3 to beat the competition--if you want to get the type of white men populating your HOT LIST.

    2. Grow thicker skin. Regardless of how educated, muscled, or gorgeous you are, there are white guys who will consider you inferior and unsuitable for anything--including platonic friendship. (Yes, it's true, Realjockers!) You'll have to wade through them to get to the white guys who will appreciate your worship. icon_wink.gif

    3. Move to a different city. Try NYC, DC, or Los Angeles. Interracial relationships are more common there. That's because those cities are very racially diverse, and exposure to different races tends to make people more open to interracial dating.

    There is one caveat: You will be hard-pressed to find any city in the world where gay men of all races get together for regular kum-bah-yah sing alongs. That goes for even Toronto! Fear, prejudice, and unconscious bias exist everywhere. You're just going to have to get used to mixed results wherever you end up.

    Good luck!
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    JackKash saidI get tired of these threads too..which i am begining to see what some white men could possibly and quite easily spin this thread out to say. Eventhough its not intentioned the thread content reads: Why wont white guys fuck me? Im tired of dating and fucking plain old black guys. PLEASE... lets get some white guys in here who will say they will fuck black guys for like 50 millionth time.

    Thats how these threads read.


    That's what I thought when I read the OP's post.

    I just don't see the point in a black guy lamenting--on REALJOCK--over the fact that the white men in his city have failed to show enough interest in him. He's seems to be begging for acceptance by a group that has already rejected him. To me, that's pathetic.

    Also, I'm not even sure it's useful to try to have conversations about race relations on this website. People define concepts like racism and equality differently. So, whenever topics involving race problems come up, having a decent conversation is virtually impossible because people don't agree on what the problem actually is.

    Here's my response to the OP:

    If you'd rather be with a white man than be with a black man, just own it! We're in a free country, and as long as you're not running for president, most people won't care! But to get the white man you want, you probably will have to do the following:

    1. Get some more muscle, make sure your "paper" (education, career, salary, etc.), and show that swagger (if you have it). You will need at least 2 of the 3 to beat the competition--if you want to get the type of white men populating your HOT LIST.

    2. Grow thicker skin. Regardless of how educated, muscled, or gorgeous you are, there are white guys who will consider you inferior and unsuitable for anything--including platonic friendship. (Yes, it's true, Realjockers!) You'll have to wade through them to get to the white guys who will appreciate your worship. icon_wink.gif

    3. Move to a different city. Try NYC, DC, or Los Angeles. Interracial relationships are more common there. That's because those cities are very racially diverse, and exposure to different races tends to make people more open to interracial dating.

    There is one caveat: You will be hard-pressed to find any city in the world where gay men of all races get together for regular kum-bah-yah sing alongs. That goes for even Toronto! Fear, prejudice, and unconscious bias exist everywhere. You're just going to have to get used to mixed results wherever you end up.

    Good luck!


    very well said. racism and bigotry exists everywhere. it is just as prevalent here on RJ as in society at large.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Sep 01, 2012 3:08 PM GMT
    TropicalMark saidMichigan is a heavy GOP state.icon_wink.gif
    Not necessarily. Michigan is still a primarily blue democratic state. It is only the most remote rural areas and wealthiest suburbs that are mostly republican. The same is true in Illinois, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and New York.
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    Sep 01, 2012 3:16 PM GMT
    when will people learn that you're not gonna win an argument or change people's view by having an online debate lol.

    it will never happen. dont even waste ur time. people are slappin away at their keyboards, typing up novels on this thread to prove their point or change someone's mind is funny to me, cuz i feel like tellin 'em to get a life. stop wasting ur time typiing up novels in response to one or two user's ignorance, only for them to remain in their ignorance cuz they want to.....u cant change that, why get ur panties in a bunch about it? icon_lol.gif

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    Sep 01, 2012 3:28 PM GMT
    I moved to where there is diversity and guys are into Asians. I suffered too long in South Florida where Asians didn't seem to be appreciated.

    Move. Why suffer unnecessarily?
  • MadeinMich

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    Sep 01, 2012 3:37 PM GMT
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    MadeinMich saidSo I'm back in Michigan, which has a very divisive racial history and am down about the prospect to meet guys of every race in this area. In terms of dating I consider myself like a united nations with no main prejudices in my attraction to guys. But since I've been back here from Toronto the racial disparity amoung gay guys here has been amplified in my consciousness. I have been called a nigger (unprovoked, honestly) online and when my white friends asks other guys (who ARE in my league with no dilusional expectation of mine, hefty, balding)why the lack of interest they say "I'm not into black guys".

    Cut to a month ago when I was in Toronto men from all different cultures were into me and I was into them. Muscular, handsome, guys from different races who would have shunned me here at home were suprisingly interested and they were suprised at my situation back home. Due to the lack of employment prospects in my field it is very difficult to move to a more culturall diverse town and its killing me.

    Don't get me wrong I am attracted to AA men as well but I'm not exclusive to one race. But here it seems like black fro black and white for white. A saturday night at a gay bar or club looks like a high school cafeteria where all the races have segregated themselves. This is especially sad to me because the out gay population is relatively small.

    Does anyone notice the same thing where they live? How does it make you feel? Not looking for a pity party just some discourse on the subject.





    Wow, I could not agree you you more! I moved to Michigan four years ago, and the non black guys here won't even LOOK at a black guy. Its TERRIBLE! Its also kinda hard to find a decent black friends. Ive NEVER been into the thug type. Dont get me wrong, I love my brothers, but realistically Detroit guys are a trip.icon_neutral.gif Unbelievable! SO, perhaps I'll just move back home next month. Its getting boring here. Maybe you should try Windsor(Canada). They are much more open, and friendlier.

    You're from Australia? What the hell are you doing in Detroit, Michigan, U.S.A of all places?
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    JackKash saidI get tired of these threads too..which i am begining to see what some white men could possibly and quite easily spin this thread out to say. Eventhough its not intentioned the thread content reads: Why wont white guys fuck me? Im tired of dating and fucking plain old black guys. PLEASE... lets get some white guys in here who will say they will fuck black guys for like 50 millionth time.

    Thats how these threads read.


    That's what I thought when I read the OP's post.

    I just don't see the point in a black guy lamenting--on REALJOCK--over the fact that the white men in his city have failed to show enough interest in him. He's seems to be begging for acceptance by a group that has already rejected him. To me, that's pathetic.

    Also, I'm not even sure it's useful to try to have conversations about race relations on this website. People define concepts like racism and equality differently. So, whenever topics involving race problems come up, having a decent conversation is virtually impossible because people don't agree on what the problem actually is.

    Here's my response to the OP:

    If you'd rather be with a white man than be with a black man, just own it! We're in a free country, and as long as you're not running for president, most people won't care! But to get the white man you want, you probably will have to do the following:

    1. Get some more muscle, make sure your "paper" (education, career, salary, etc.) is "right," and show that swagger (if you have it). You will need at least 2 of the 3 to beat the competition--if you want to get the type of white men populating your HOT LIST.

    2. Grow thicker skin. Regardless of how educated, muscled, or gorgeous you are, there are white guys who will consider you inferior and unsuitable for anything--including platonic friendship. (Yes, it's true, Realjockers!) You'll have to wade through them to get to the white guys who will appreciate your worship. icon_wink.gif

    3. Move to a different city. Try NYC, DC, or Los Angeles. Interracial relationships are more common there. That's because those cities are very racially diverse, and exposure to different races tends to make people more open to interracial dating.

    There is one caveat: You will be hard-pressed to find any city in the world where gay men of all races get together for regular kum-bah-yah sing alongs. That goes for even Toronto! Fear, prejudice, and unconscious bias exist everywhere. You're just going to have to get used to mixed results wherever you end up.

    Good luck!



    Freaking PERFECT response man! That's the dose of realness needed. I really think the OP's problem really isn't with race as much as it could be with dating within his means and unrequited attraction. You gotta look at the things the way they are and accept them and then move on.

    The entire world isn't racist and race problems exist will always exist because it's a basic human and even animal instinct to divide ourselves into groups.. to percieve something weaker and to prejudge. The hope in it all is that with education some and even most will live more open mindedly. But it ain't gonna happen 100%. Ever. The way the cookie crumbles.
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    tereseus1 said Within the gay community...each racial group tend to be well..not into black guys, including some black gays.


    Including "some" black guys? I think you're down-playing black men's involvement here. I live in the biggest melting pot in the U.S. and my city has one of the largest yearly averages of international tourism of any city, so I see a LOT of different people here. It's downright rare to see two black men together, and I'm talking about locals and tourists alike. They're usually arm and arm with some White dude.

    tereseus1 said American society advertises every day that to be black is not desired or wanted so i wouldn't expect any other behavior.


    Who exactly are these people who "advertise" this? Could it be the Black community itself? Could it be the statistics on violent crime? Or maybe the Black entertainment industry where almost every "artist" has lyrics that brag about killing, stealing. Or the constant obsession with the objectification of women and homophobia? No, that couldn't be the problem....it has to be some external source....like WHITE PEOPLE. The main people "advertising" this negative stereotype are other Black people. Until the Black community can start looking in the mirror and realizing the true source of it's "image problem", race relations will never improve. The same holds true for the gay community. We're our own worst enemy.
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    lack of gay people in my not gay community- be happy you live in an mfing gay community
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    tereseus1 said Within the gay community...each racial group tend to be well..not into black guys, including some black gays.


    Including "some" black guys? I think you're down-playing black men's involvement here. I live in the biggest melting pot in the U.S. and my city has one of the largest yearly averages of international tourism of any city, so I see a LOT of different people here. It's downright rare to see two black men together, and I'm talking about locals and tourists alike. They're usually arm and arm with some White dude.

    tereseus1 said American society advertises every day that to be black is not desired or wanted so i wouldn't expect any other behavior.


    Who exactly are these people who "advertise" this? Could it be the Black community itself? Could it be the statistics on violent crime? Or maybe the Black entertainment industry where almost every "artist" has lyrics that brag about killing, stealing. Or the constant obsession with the objectification of women and homophobia? No, that couldn't be the problem....it has to be some external source....like WHITE PEOPLE. The main people "advertising" this negative stereotype are other Black people. Until the Black community can start looking in the mirror and realizing the true source of it's "image problem", race relations will never improve. The same holds true for the gay community. We're our own worst enemy.


    Oh man.. you are such a bigot. and it's not only what you say but the mind set clearly there in which you come up with these opinions. Black people are no more or no less homophobic, violent, bigoted than white people... every single culture has some misogynistic, ignorant and homophobic pocket to it. Rappers are no different than rockers.. the ghetto no different than the trailer trash... You shouldn't even form any opinions about the black community because more than likely you aren't even really close with black people or else you would not have such tern and hateful ideas about them. All of your opinions come from a place a staunch ignorance and really rigid thinking and over defensiveness. If one can call a black man an "angry black man" you come off in your post as an angry white man...who is intimidated by something so he must erect a prejudiced xenophobic wall around himself. You are the type of white guy that when a black person will talk about their negative experiences with white people are actually referencing. You are too old change and grow. So i can't say anymore towards you... though.. i'm sorry you turned out this way.
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    it's not that serious guys. at the end of the day you just on a computer typing words, and your going to have to go back to work in the morning.
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    tereseus1 said Within the gay community...each racial group tend to be well..not into black guys, including some black gays.


    Including "some" black guys? I think you're down-playing black men's involvement here. I live in the biggest melting pot in the U.S. and my city has one of the largest yearly averages of international tourism of any city, so I see a LOT of different people here. It's downright rare to see two black men together, and I'm talking about locals and tourists alike. They're usually arm and arm with some White dude.

    tereseus1 said American society advertises every day that to be black is not desired or wanted so i wouldn't expect any other behavior.


    Who exactly are these people who "advertise" this? Could it be the Black community itself? Could it be the statistics on violent crime? Or maybe the Black entertainment industry where almost every "artist" has lyrics that brag about killing, stealing. Or the constant obsession with the objectification of women and homophobia? No, that couldn't be the problem....it has to be some external source....like WHITE PEOPLE. The main people "advertising" this negative stereotype are other Black people. Until the Black community can start looking in the mirror and realizing the true source of it's "image problem", race relations will never improve. The same holds true for the gay community. We're our own worst enemy.



    take a look in any magazine, Elle, Gq..for gods sake womans day. You never see a African american model and if you do..its usually for a product or ad thats demeaning. Your country made it ok for white privilege to be the only requirement for success..and that's not ok..,,anywhere. If your talking about hip hop, rap..its all an image. Most performers are educated but stick to a hardcore persona to get profits. You think Drake is a thug? You think Kanye is a thug? What about diddy? All of them are college educated individuals..but play the role of a negative thug to make "you" a white man and every other idiot accept them..make them rich. Its how AMERICA in general accept the black figure. They like that they are seen as thugs..they like seeing the black figure in a negative way as they believe that they cant amount to anything. For god sakes African Americans on a whole help run america..make it more a better place..but AMERICAN media and society..dont shine the light on the group thats doing it. Black Americans are not only rappers, ex convicts and basket ball players. Black Americans are also Doctors, Engineers, teachers (who gets paid diddley squat) and lawyers. For gods sake..the peanut butter you eat..a black man created that..not to mention the stop light or telephone...so spare me,.Black professionals are never given exposure on their accomplishments. American society tend to like only hearing of the negatives. Blacks doing crimes, black doing scams. its a whole practice of demonizing the black minority race so spare me about its the black community whos at fault.
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    tereseus1 said Within the gay community...each racial group tend to be well..not into black guys, including some black gays.


    Including "some" black guys? I think you're down-playing black men's involvement here. I live in the biggest melting pot in the U.S. and my city has one of the largest yearly averages of international tourism of any city, so I see a LOT of different people here. It's downright rare to see two black men together, and I'm talking about locals and tourists alike. They're usually arm and arm with some White dude.

    tereseus1 said American society advertises every day that to be black is not desired or wanted so i wouldn't expect any other behavior.


    Who exactly are these people who "advertise" this? Could it be the Black community itself? Could it be the statistics on violent crime? Or maybe the Black entertainment industry where almost every "artist" has lyrics that brag about killing, stealing. Or the constant obsession with the objectification of women and homophobia? No, that couldn't be the problem....it has to be some external source....like WHITE PEOPLE. The main people "advertising" this negative stereotype are other Black people. Until the Black community can start looking in the mirror and realizing the true source of it's "image problem", race relations will never improve. The same holds true for the gay community. We're our own worst enemy.



    take a look in any magazine, Elle, Gq..for gods sake womans day. You never see a African american model and if you do..its usually for a product or ad thats demeaning. Your country made it ok for white privilege to be the only requirement for success..and that's not ok..,,anywhere. If your talking about hip hop, rap..its all an image. Most performers are educated but stick to a hardcore persona to get profits. Its how AMERICA in general accept the black figure. They like that they are seen as thugs..they like seeing the black figure in a negative way as they believe that they cant amount to anything. For god sakes African Americans on a whole help run america..make it more a better place..but AMERICAN media and society..dont shine the light on the group thats doing it. Black Americans are not only rappers, ex convicts and basket ball players. Black Americans are also Doctors, Engineers, teachers (who gets paid diddley squat) and lawyers. For gods sake..the peanut butter you eat..a black man created that..not to mention the stop light or telephone...so spare me,.Black professionals are never given exposure on their accomplishments. American society tend to like only hearing of the negatives. Blacks doing crimes, black doing scams. its a whole practice of demonizing the black minority race so spare me about its the black community whos at fault.


    Don't waste your breath. I've read this dudes bullshit before.. he's uneducated. Not open minded at all and thick as all out hell.

    That whole Jail systems remark is just fucking bullshit stupid.


    A simple course in community college social studies would rectify some of his misconceptions.
    *shakes head* anyhoo....
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    tereseus1 said Within the gay community...each racial group tend to be well..not into black guys, including some black gays.


    Including "some" black guys? I think you're down-playing black men's involvement here. I live in the biggest melting pot in the U.S. and my city has one of the largest yearly averages of international tourism of any city, so I see a LOT of different people here. It's downright rare to see two black men together, and I'm talking about locals and tourists alike. They're usually arm and arm with some White dude.

    tereseus1 said American society advertises every day that to be black is not desired or wanted so i wouldn't expect any other behavior.


    Who exactly are these people who "advertise" this? Could it be the Black community itself? Could it be the statistics on violent crime? Or maybe the Black entertainment industry where almost every "artist" has lyrics that brag about killing, stealing. Or the constant obsession with the objectification of women and homophobia? No, that couldn't be the problem....it has to be some external source....like WHITE PEOPLE. The main people "advertising" this negative stereotype are other Black people. Until the Black community can start looking in the mirror and realizing the true source of it's "image problem", race relations will never improve. The same holds true for the gay community. We're our own worst enemy.



    take a look in any magazine, Elle, Gq..for gods sake womans day. You never see a African american model and if you do..its usually for a product or ad thats demeaning. Your country made it ok for white privilege to be the only requirement for success..and that's not ok..,,anywhere. If your talking about hip hop, rap..its all an image. Most performers are educated but stick to a hardcore persona to get profits. You think Drake is a thug? You think Kanye is a thug? What about diddy? All of them are college educated individuals..but play the role of a negative thug to make "you" a white man and every other idiot accept them..make them rich. Its how AMERICA in general accept the black figure. They like that they are seen as thugs..they like seeing the black figure in a negative way as they believe that they cant amount to anything. For god sakes African Americans on a whole help run america..make it more a better place..but AMERICAN media and society..dont shine the light on the group thats doing it. Black Americans are not only rappers, ex convicts and basket ball players. Black Americans are also Doctors, Engineers, teachers (who gets paid diddley squat) and lawyers. For gods sake..the peanut butter you eat..a black man created that..not to mention the stop light or telephone...so spare me,.Black professionals are never given exposure on their accomplishments. American society tend to like only hearing of the negatives. Blacks doing crimes, black doing scams. its a whole practice of demonizing the black minority race so spare me about its the black community whos at fault.



    Do a Google search for "black male models" and tell me how many pages you get. Hint: You'll need a calculator.

    As far as the music thing, I'm sure you're right to a degree. But even if you're 100% right, why are Black men so willing to take on these roles?

    Of course there are many Black doctors and lawyers. That's not news. But the stereotype (like all stereotypes) is based on reality, and no one can change that but the Black community. Once a stereotype is no longer valid as a whole, the stereotype fades away as it doesn't strike familiarity in the heart of the observer. For instance, if I were to start making jokes about how all gay people are violent, it would be met with blank stares because it's so far outside of reality.

    The sadist thing about all of this is the millions of good Black people that it hurts. Unfortunately, once people start buying into stereotypes, it's difficult for them to give individual people of that group a fresh look. In cases like this, the reputation of the group as a whole is more important than the individual. It's sad, but it seems to be the way most humans think.
  • conservativej...

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    Sep 02, 2012 2:20 AM GMT
    Obviously MadeinMich you cannot single handedly change the racial diversity of your local gay community. The only real alternative you have is to get out of there.
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    Scruffypup said
    tereseus1 said Within the gay community...each racial group tend to be well..not into black guys, including some black gays.


    Including "some" black guys? I think you're down-playing black men's involvement here. I live in the biggest melting pot in the U.S. and my city has one of the largest yearly averages of international tourism of any city, so I see a LOT of different people here. It's downright rare to see two black men together, and I'm talking about locals and tourists alike. They're usually arm and arm with some White dude.

    tereseus1 said American society advertises every day that to be black is not desired or wanted so i wouldn't expect any other behavior.


    Who exactly are these people who "advertise" this? Could it be the Black community itself? Could it be the statistics on violent crime? Or maybe the Black entertainment industry where almost every "artist" has lyrics that brag about killing, stealing. Or the constant obsession with the objectification of women and homophobia? No, that couldn't be the problem....it has to be some external source....like WHITE PEOPLE. The main people "advertising" this negative stereotype are other Black people. Until the Black community can start looking in the mirror and realizing the true source of it's "image problem", race relations will never improve. The same holds true for the gay community. We're our own worst enemy.



    take a look in any magazine, Elle, Gq..for gods sake womans day. You never see a African american model and if you do..its usually for a product or ad thats demeaning. Your country made it ok for white privilege to be the only requirement for success..and that's not ok..,,anywhere. If your talking about hip hop, rap..its all an image. Most performers are educated but stick to a hardcore persona to get profits. You think Drake is a thug? You think Kanye is a thug? What about diddy? All of them are college educated individuals..but play the role of a negative thug to make "you" a white man and every other idiot accept them..make them rich. Its how AMERICA in general accept the black figure. They like that they are seen as thugs..they like seeing the black figure in a negative way as they believe that they cant amount to anything. For god sakes African Americans on a whole help run america..make it more a better place..but AMERICAN media and society..dont shine the light on the group thats doing it. Black Americans are not only rappers, ex convicts and basket ball players. Black Americans are also Doctors, Engineers, teachers (who gets paid diddley squat) and lawyers. For gods sake..the peanut butter you eat..a black man created that..not to mention the stop light or telephone...so spare me,.Black professionals are never given exposure on their accomplishments. American society tend to like only hearing of the negatives. Blacks doing crimes, black doing scams. its a whole practice of demonizing the black minority race so spare me about its the black community whos at fault.



    Do a Google search for "black male models" and tell me how many pages you get. Hint: You'll need a calculator.

    As far as the music thing, I'm sure you're right to a degree. But even if you're 100% right, why are Black men so willing to take on these roles?

    Of course there are many Black doctors and lawyers. That's not news. But the stereotype (like all stereotypes) is based on reality, and no one can change that but the Black community. Once a stereotype is no longer valid as a whole, the stereotype fades away as it doesn't strike familiarity in the heart of the observer. For instance, if I were to start making jokes about how all gay people are violent, it would be met with blank stares because it's so far outside of reality.

    The sadist thing about all of this is the millions of good Black people that it hurts. Unfortunately, once people start buying into stereotypes, it's difficult for them to give individual people of that group a fresh look. In cases like this, the reputation of the group as a whole is more important than the individual. It's sad, but it seems to be the way most humans think.


    I wish we all could discuss this in person like the real life conversations I've had about this topic with so many people. Comments online are too easy to misinterpret and mislabel. I don't know why, but I don't think you are a racist, even though I can totally see how others would. At the same time, there are some things you and others who disagree with you have written in here that piss me off and are hard to understand how one could think that way. Too bad. Opportunity lost I guess....
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    Scruffypup said
    tereseus1 said
    Scruffypup said
    tereseus1 said Within the gay community...each racial group tend to be well..not into black guys, including some black gays.


    Including "some" black guys? I think you're down-playing black men's involvement here. I live in the biggest melting pot in the U.S. and my city has one of the largest yearly averages of international tourism of any city, so I see a LOT of different people here. It's downright rare to see two black men together, and I'm talking about locals and tourists alike. They're usually arm and arm with some White dude.

    tereseus1 said American society advertises every day that to be black is not desired or wanted so i wouldn't expect any other behavior.


    Who exactly are these people who "advertise" this? Could it be the Black community itself? Could it be the statistics on violent crime? Or maybe the Black entertainment industry where almost every "artist" has lyrics that brag about killing, stealing. Or the constant obsession with the objectification of women and homophobia? No, that couldn't be the problem....it has to be some external source....like WHITE PEOPLE. The main people "advertising" this negative stereotype are other Black people. Until the Black community can start looking in the mirror and realizing the true source of it's "image problem", race relations will never improve. The same holds true for the gay community. We're our own worst enemy.



    take a look in any magazine, Elle, Gq..for gods sake womans day. You never see a African american model and if you do..its usually for a product or ad thats demeaning. Your country made it ok for white privilege to be the only requirement for success..and that's not ok..,,anywhere. If your talking about hip hop, rap..its all an image. Most performers are educated but stick to a hardcore persona to get profits. You think Drake is a thug? You think Kanye is a thug? What about diddy? All of them are college educated individuals..but play the role of a negative thug to make "you" a white man and every other idiot accept them..make them rich. Its how AMERICA in general accept the black figure. They like that they are seen as thugs..they like seeing the black figure in a negative way as they believe that they cant amount to anything. For god sakes African Americans on a whole help run america..make it more a better place..but AMERICAN media and society..dont shine the light on the group thats doing it. Black Americans are not only rappers, ex convicts and basket ball players. Black Americans are also Doctors, Engineers, teachers (who gets paid diddley squat) and lawyers. For gods sake..the peanut butter you eat..a black man created that..not to mention the stop light or telephone...so spare me,.Black professionals are never given exposure on their accomplishments. American society tend to like only hearing of the negatives. Blacks doing crimes, black doing scams. its a whole practice of demonizing the black minority race so spare me about its the black community whos at fault.



    Do a Google search for "black male models" and tell me how many pages you get. Hint: You'll need a calculator.

    As far as the music thing, I'm sure you're right to a degree. But even if you're 100% right, why are Black men so willing to take on these roles?

    Of course there are many Black doctors and lawyers. That's not news. But the stereotype (like all stereotypes) is based on reality, and no one can change that but the Black community. Once a stereotype is no longer valid as a whole, the stereotype fades away as it doesn't strike familiarity in the heart of the observer. For instance, if I were to start making jokes about how all gay people are violent, it would be met with blank stares because it's so far outside of reality.

    The sadist thing about all of this is the millions of good Black people that it hurts. Unfortunately, once people start buying into stereotypes, it's difficult for them to give individual people of that group a fresh look. In cases like this, the reputation of the group as a whole is more important than the individual. It's sad, but it seems to be the way most humans think.


    satire alert

    It is indeed sad that all stereotypes are based in reality. I'm sure you've come to accept the fact that because you're a gay man, people expect you to have dozens of sexual partners a month, to be HIV+ and (since you are on the older side for Planet Gay) touch little boys because you can't with a woman. It's up to gay people to leave behind the idea that that all they can do is shamefully suck cock in public bathrooms and spread diseases to each other. Sure there are gay men who don't snort cocaine off of their latest trick's ass, but the fact is that most do. If the gay community would just sit down and convince its men to stop acting like such sex-crazed animals, marriage rights would have been recognized decades ago. You don't have to chase after innocent young men who are half your age and psychologically susceptible to such predatory advances. Unfortunately, most people just see the individuals as part of the sad group from which they come. It's too bad that decent guys like you have to suffer because some of the other old, perverted, promiscuous, HIV+, immoral, superficial, homosexuals can't control themselves.