Do you think American society is degrading?

  • Medjai

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    Sep 22, 2012 2:59 PM GMT
    AMoonHawk saidI fail to see what training people to act like Pavlovs dog has to do with degradation of a society. Obviously our society is superior to all the others or people would not keep moving here. A step-in-place society is inferior because like sheep, when you follow one that jumps off of a cliff, all of them jump off the cliff.


    How unbelievably ethnocentric.

    I absolutely hate North American culture. More than I can verbalized. However, with my chosen career path, this is where I am needed. I'm here until the end. icon_smile.gif
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    Sep 22, 2012 3:09 PM GMT
    It all relative , it's always greener on the other side and it's always the best and worst of times.
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    Sep 22, 2012 3:39 PM GMT
    I dont think western society in general is degrading, although there are some key behaviours that trend that way.

    In recent generations we have empowered the kids with opinion and rights, and applauded them for expressing themselves - the flipside of that is we now also have smartasses who dont want to listen to anyone elses opinion, know their rights and damn well dont have to do squat if they don't want to.

    We have also provided our kids with technology such as the internet, so they can interact with other people of like mind all over the world, game with them etc. The flipside of that is that is that social skills are not as important to them, nor as well developed once they find they need to interact with the real world.

    Just my humble opinion, and for what its worth - Australia follows in the example of the USA, and the UK with regard to this.
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    Sep 22, 2012 3:58 PM GMT
    smartmoney saidKeep in mind, most Americans are fat, stupid and lazy.


    This
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    Sep 22, 2012 4:01 PM GMT
    McQueen said
    AMoonHawk saidObviously our society is superior to all the others or people would not keep moving here.
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    I c wat u did thar icon_biggrin.gif

    Also... I agree with the laughter.
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    Sep 22, 2012 4:03 PM GMT
    My problem with America now is that 10 year old kids act, dress, and talk like their 16. TV shows that portray high schools are totally giving kids the wrong idea about sex and maturity. I was in a mall and I saw a bunch of kids who clearly werent even teens yet, dressed in mini skirts, too much make-up, and buying way too much clothes. And on top of that there was no one supervising them. I would never leave my kids alone in a mall.
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    Sep 22, 2012 4:11 PM GMT
    I see people being rude, disrespectful all the time. I think some people think that being rude and bitchy is fun and strong for some reason.

    No one says yes please or no thank you. Proper behavior is deffinetly on the lower of the lowest these days. It's all about 'ME' attitude.

    No one seems to wanna better their selves and show their best foot forward, it's almost like I deserve this attitude.

    American culture has such an entitled attitude

    We need to learn proper etiquete and manners again!
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    Sep 22, 2012 4:14 PM GMT
    Kalifornication saidI see people being rude, disrespectful all the time. I think some people think that being rude and bitchy is fun and strong for some reason.

    No one says yes please or no thank you. Proper behavior is deffinetly on the lower of the lowest these days. It's all about 'ME' attitude.

    No one seems to wanna better their selves and show their best foot forward, it's almost like I deserve this attitude.

    American culture has such an entitled attitude

    We need to learn proper etiquete and manners again!


    Seriously, I see this all the time unfortunately icon_cry.gif
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    Sep 22, 2012 4:20 PM GMT
    Compared to what?
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    Sep 22, 2012 5:04 PM GMT
    Kalifornication saidI see people being rude, disrespectful all the time. I think some people think that being rude and bitchy is fun and strong for some reason.

    No one says yes please or no thank you. Proper behavior is deffinetly on the lower of the lowest these days. It's all about 'ME' attitude.

    No one seems to wanna better their selves and show their best foot forward, it's almost like I deserve this attitude.

    American culture has such an entitled attitude

    We need to learn proper etiquete and manners again!


    I agree. The uncivilized masses at their worst.
    Go to any airport in America to catch a snap-shot of society in the US and u will see it all. Fat slobs actin a fool. Rude, entitled nobodies expecting to be treated like gold, aloof dumbasses, dirty individuals who stink like literal shit, pushy, arrogent housewives, ghetto low-lives who are too "gangsta" for common courtesy, red-neck fucks, uglies, rude drunks.

    It makes flying practically unbearable. The lack of consideration people have is disturbing. This, coming from an individual who tries and displays at the very least a basic copmmon courtesy. I'm not overly courteous or obnoxiously so, but I do say please and thank you.
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    Sep 22, 2012 5:05 PM GMT
    LOL! It's kinda funny, because I've always gotten the impression that much of the world thinks Americans are overly polite and politically correct that they come off as insincere.
  • MixedJock91

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    Sep 22, 2012 5:08 PM GMT
    This is called political culture my friends. And America is among the worse political cultures out there!
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    Sep 22, 2012 5:24 PM GMT
    Americans have a lot and perhaps too much to appreciate what they have. I've often said that all kids, before graduating, should be required to spend a week in a 3rd world country to appreciate what they have here.

    Take the Tsunami in Japan, you never heard anything about looting or crime during the disaster, in the US, that would have been the headlines on the news.

    America has a lot going for it but respect for self, family and others is not at the top of the list!
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    Sep 22, 2012 5:38 PM GMT
    eb925guy said I've often said that all kids, before graduating, should be required to spend a week in a 3rd world country to appreciate what they have here.
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    not just to appreciate what they have , but just to get out and see the rest of the world.

    growing up with a military dad and living all over the world was the best thing that ever happened to me.

    it stuns me when i hear spoiled rich kids in the US who went to france and complain about how dirty it was, I lived in kosovo in 2004-5, i loved it. it's like american's frame of reference for what foreign countries should be is based on disneyland, and reality dissapoints them.

    70% of americans don't even have a passport!!!
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    Sep 22, 2012 5:49 PM GMT
    thadjock said
    eb925guy said I've often said that all kids, before graduating, should be required to spend a week in a 3rd world country to appreciate what they have here.
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    not just to appreciate what they have , but just to get out and see the rest of the world.

    growing up with a military dad and living all over the world was the best thing that ever happened to me.

    it stuns me when i hear spoiled rich kids in the US who went to france and complain about how dirty it was, I lived in kosovo in 2004-5, i loved it. it's like american's frame of reference for what foreign countries should be is based on disneyland, and reality dissapoints them.

    70% of americans don't even have a passport!!!


    And yet 30% of them do, which is a HUGE increase over the last 20 or so years.. whatever you think of the idea of American exceptionalism, America is exceptionally large. You could fit mainland France, plus Belgium, the Netherlands, Denmark and Luxembourg (total about 261,000 square miles) inside of Texas (269,000 square miles) and still have room for the Alps. It takes nearly an hour longer to fly between New York and LA (about 5 hours) than between Lisbon and Helsinki (about 4:10), and the spaces in between are vast and varied. To paraphrase the (often misquoted) line from the Treasure of the Sierra Madre: “Passports? We don’t need no stinkin’ passports!”

    We didn’t even need them when traveling to Canada or Mexico – at least until recently.... 9/11 happened...terrorism, etc. So people needing to travel to those countries suddenly needed passports. Also, with everything being so global now I would venture to say that a lot of new passports being issued are for business travelers as companies find new ways to increase revenues by doing business overseas... to get them out of the recessions, etc. So yes, it is a relatively small number, but it's continung to grow. And has grown quickly. It used to be that less than 3 % of americans had passports as recently as the 1970's.
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    Sep 22, 2012 5:51 PM GMT
    Although it's kinda sad how many Americans think they need a passport to travel to Hawaii or Puerto Rico icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Sep 22, 2012 6:04 PM GMT
    Import said<
    And yet 30% of them do, which is a HUGE increase over the last 20 or so years.. whatever you think of the idea of American exceptionalism, America is exceptionally large. You could fit mainland France, plus Belgium, the Netherlands, Denmark and Luxembourg (total about 261,000 square miles) inside of Texas (269,000 square miles) and still have room for the Alps. It takes nearly an hour longer to fly between New York and LA (about 5 hours) than between Lisbon and Helsinki (about 4:10), and the spaces in between are vast and varied. To paraphrase the (often misquoted) line from the Treasure of the Sierra Madre: “Passports? We don’t need no stinkin’ passports!”

    We didn’t even need them when traveling to Canada or Mexico – at least until recently.... 9/11 happened...terrorism, etc. So people needing to travel to those countries suddenly needed passports. Also, with everything being so global now I would venture to say that a lot of new passports being issued are for business travelers as companies find new ways to increase revenues by doing business overseas... to get them out of the recessions, etc. So yes, it is a relatively small number, but it's continung to grow. And has grown quickly. It used to be that less than 3 % of americans had passports as recently as the 1970's.


    so because americans live in a big country means they're incapable of curiosity about other lands?

    i think americans are basically isolationists, happy to live ignorant of other cultures. they bristle and rant when foreigners come here to live and crash their utopian ideal of how they want their US to be.
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    Sep 22, 2012 6:06 PM GMT
    im too bored and hungry to read all that. it seemed very interesting, at least someone is being productive i m not
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    Sep 22, 2012 6:06 PM GMT
    nicodegallo saidAlthough it's kinda sad how many Americans think they need a passport to travel to Hawaii or Puerto Rico icon_rolleyes.gif


    yeah but black people still need a visa to visit utah
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    Sep 22, 2012 6:07 PM GMT
    jaround90 said im too bored and hungry to read all that. it seemed very interesting, at least someone is being productive i m not


    Here's an example of a typical American LOL

    just kidddddddding
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    Sep 22, 2012 6:10 PM GMT
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    jaround90 said im too bored and hungry to read all that. it seemed very interesting, at least someone is being productive i m not


    Here's an example of a typical American LOL

    just kidddddddding


    hahaha
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    Sep 22, 2012 6:18 PM GMT
    smartmoney saidKeep in mind, most Americans are fat, stupid and lazy.


    Yes but they are FREE to be fat, stupid and lazy. The greatest gift of all.

    I sometimes love American definition of freedom. Pass terrorism laws allowing indefinite detention without cause, TSA allowing to hand rape your person, and that is "protecting" their freedoms. Try and limit fried chicken in schools and that is such an attack on freedom that people claim your quasi-mythological writers of your constitution are turning over in their graves.


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    Sep 22, 2012 6:20 PM GMT
    It's a tossup for me, basically in the past of American culture people did what they were told and believed what they were taught.

    Many did not dare to ask why, or question or dare to be different.
    Now adays people are so diverse that they cannot help feeling the need to break free.

    Older people tend to be oppressive, towards diversity at all. So when that happens you have rebellion. Which can cause animoscity and hatred,and other destructive things.

    The recent parents in the past 20 years have dropped the ball. Resentment of their parents and lifes causes drama and abuse and bad relatinships with their children and so on and so on, its a vicious cycle.

    Remember when being a virgin was a good thing.

    Now people are afraid to say they are for being called a loser.

    When smoking and drugs and such were not cool.

    I don't think it has anything to do with degradation.

    I think conformity is what it is all about. If being nice and respectful and such was "in" then I am sure most would be.

    We don't have parents teaching children morals and honor and such now adays because most parents are children themselves

    in a world where teen mom and 16 and preganant, bad girls club are hit shows. These women become celebs for making mistakes and broadcasting in on tv. celebrity rehab, etc. People are being brainwashed and manipulated to think this stuff is ok.

    I think it's a tossup, because many are more tolerant than in the past, but I just think values and standards are almost non existant.

    And most importantly, alot of people don't feel respected so they don't respect others.
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    Sep 22, 2012 6:26 PM GMT
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    Wow, that was an awesome scene!

    Thanks for posting. He took those words right out of my mouth icon_eek.gif