Obama Tells MTV He Won't Push Gay Marriage In Second Term

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    Oct 27, 2012 2:21 PM GMT
    booboolv saidThe president wasn't a gay marriage supporter in 2008. He isn't now. He made a brief statement pandering to the gay community and now, under election pressure he is backing off. Too bad he doesn't have the fortitude to stand for something substantial, whether it be in social justice, or any other subject. Romney may be a step backward socially, but he has a better foreign policy, better tax policy, and better business sense than Obama. I know I'll probably get blasted for making such a statement, but I generally keep quiet when I disagree with what others post and just let people voice their opinion.

    LOL I think he was ALWAYS a gay marriage supporter, privately. Biden just sort of forced his hand this May, and it's done him more damage politically than good, particularly with the conservative and religious Latinios and blacks.

    Granted, I haven't actually met Obama in real life, but i cant imagine him actually getting upset if, say, one of his daughters is a lesbian.
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    Oct 27, 2012 2:26 PM GMT
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    rkyjockdn saidHis newly announced position isn't so different from that of Romney's.

    I'm beginning to think that a principled opponent is preferable to a feckless ally.


    That's not true. Obama believes in gay marriage, and Romney doesn't. Obama is being pragmatic. Gay rights will be decided by the supreme court, and Obama will appoint gay friendly judges, whereas Romney appointees are bound to be homophobic


    100%.
    This is a HUGE difference and a main reason to vote for Obama for those who still aren't decided.
  • Timbales

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    Oct 27, 2012 2:28 PM GMT
    I'll take someone who won't push for it before I'll take someone who will work to overturn my marriage.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Oct 27, 2012 2:34 PM GMT
    GigoloAssassin saidI don't know what to believe anymore... icon_confused.gif
    I agree 100%. It is just another example of pandering to all the narrow minded, bible thumping screwballs in the right wing. What else is newicon_question.gif
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    Oct 27, 2012 2:38 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    rkyjockdn saidHis newly announced position isn't so different from that of Romney's.

    I'm beginning to think that a principled opponent is preferable to a feckless ally.


    That's not true. Obama believes in gay marriage, and Romney doesn't. Obama is being pragmatic. Gay rights will be decided by the supreme court, and Obama will appoint gay friendly judges, whereas Romney appointees are bound to be homophobic.

    Obama has already done more for gay rights than any president in history. He's on dangerous ground, but he'll definitely continue to be on our side in his second term.


    All that matters is what a candidate is going to DO for our rights, not what they proclaim they "believe".
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    Oct 27, 2012 2:41 PM GMT
    Er, Mock, you were the one loudly proclaiming over and over that it should be up to the States and provoked us with comments about how if could be done at a federal level then it could easily go the other way and be forbidden on a federal level.

    Both Obama and Biden have stated publicly they are for it, but of course you realize, of all people, that the Presidency is not a dictatorship, nor is the position that of an emperor that can make a decree and have all bow down before it.

    On the other hand,
    Romney has said he will do what he can to prevent marriage for gays on a federal level.
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    Oct 27, 2012 2:51 PM GMT
    I don't understand why we are even responding to this post. A buddy on here emailed me and asked why I hadn't. LOL
    The OP is another of the traitorous, hypocritical, Gay republicans on this site who just posted this to what? Try to persuade the rest of us to vote for someone who is out and out against ANY Gay affirmations? Who will do anything and everything in his power to shove our rights backward? And based on what? His stupid wasteful religious prejudices that he and the other religious right republicans share.
    Are the Democrats and President Obama the great hope that some Gays had hoped for. No, they are not. But THEY are not against us either. They are not fighting us at every turn and advancement. republicans are.

    OP, you and you ilk are shameful low-lifes. You serve no purpose within the Gay community other than being "uncle toms" to the republicans. The same party that would cast you out in a heartbeat once they found out about you.
    So live your life...reap the benefits of how much easier you have it today as opposed to even 10 yrs because of the strives Gay democrats have made. How much better it is for someone who is Gay and in the military. Tell them, that you are Gay, yet vote republican like the contemptuous pieces of garbage you all are.

    Tristan
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    Oct 27, 2012 3:21 PM GMT
    musclefetish1 saidI don't understand why we are even responding to this post. A buddy on here emailed me and asked why I hadn't. LOL
    The OP is another of the traitorous, hypocritical, Gay republicans on this site who just posted this to what? Try to persuade the rest of us to vote for someone who is out and out against ANY Gay affirmations? Who will do anything and everything in his power to shove our rights backward? And based on what? His stupid wasteful religious prejudices that he and the other religious right republicans share.
    Are the Democrats and President Obama the great hope that some Gays had hoped for. No, they are not. But THEY are not against us either. They are not fighting us at every turn and advancement. republicans are.

    OP, you and you ilk are shameful low-lifes. You serve no purpose within the Gay community other than being "uncle toms" to the republicans. The same party that would cast you out in a heartbeat once they found out about you.
    So live your life...reap the benefits of how much easier you have it today as opposed to even 10 yrs because of the strives Gay democrats have made. How much better it is for someone who is Gay and in the military. Tell them, that you are Gay, yet vote republican like the contemptuous pieces of garbage you all are.

    Tristan
    Nobody is traitorous, so get off that stupid bullshit. Just because some of the guys on here have different and more conservative viewpoints does not make them traitorous. It appears that you are just intolerant and suffer from an anger management problem. Get a grip on life.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Oct 27, 2012 3:21 PM GMT
    At the end of the day, I honestly do not believe that it will make all that much difference WHO is president --- Romney or Obama, Democrat or Republican --- when it comes to the broader picture encompassing "Gay Rights". This is just my own personal opinion, and you're free to disagree if you like, but I think gay rights will continue to move forward year after year, even if it is slowly.
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    Oct 27, 2012 3:25 PM GMT
    ART_DECO said
    Shell saidBut if Obama "supports" it, and has the power to "change" it, but won't, what's the point of having him in office?

    No President has the power to unilaterally make law, nor rule on the Constitutionality of laws. Those powers rest with the Congress and the Supreme Court, respectively.

    What a President can do is issue Executive Orders, which have limited application. And in the case of gay marriage, that authority falls to the States under our Federal system. Much the same way you get a driver's license from your State of residence, not from Washington, DC.

    Hence DOMA may have exceeded the role of the Federal government, by attempting to regulate marriage on the national level, and to deny marriage recognition granted by individual States.

    The Obama Administration has taken the extraordinary pro-gay step of refusing to defend the DOMA law in the courts. Whereas the Republican Party, including Romney, have sworn to defend & enforce the provisions of DOMA, and even more, to outlaw all existing and future gay marriages & civil unions with a Constitutional amendment.

    When Obama says gay marriage is a State issue he is Constitutionally correct. And consistent with the arguments his Administration has brought against DOMA, as an unconstitutional act by the Federal government that violates States rights.


    As you note, DOMA will need to be undone at the federal level, either by being declared unconstitutional by the Supreme Court or by being repealed by Congress.

    When gay marriage is passed at the state level, I believe that it'll need to go through the courts for one state w/o marriage recognition to be forced to recognize a marriage performed in another state. This would be achieved through the "Full Faith and Fealty" clause of the Constitution.

    The Executive (Obama) cannot unilaterally undo DOMA. However the President has profound influence on what's done in Congress and what priority they place on legislation. "Obamacare" is a good example. He could have pushed hard for repeal of DOMA. He's not going to do that.

    It was disingenuous at best for Obama to state that the matter needs to be resolved at the state level when DOMA still remains at the federal level. My feeling is that he came out for gay marriage long enough to collect fat donations from wealthy gay donors who had been holding back, then flipped just before the election to pander to devout Chrisian blacks.

    We've been thrown under the bus, but most of us will still be voting for the guy.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Oct 27, 2012 3:29 PM GMT
    The idea Obama is being comparied to Romney is ridiculous. He's making the right moves. I wouild hope he would "encourage", not "push",, big difference.

    The idea one would be viewed as not much different than the other is
    a disconnected notion... or the idea that one serving in that role "can't" make a difference is also not correct.
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    Oct 27, 2012 3:48 PM GMT
    mocktwinksAll that matters is what a candidate is going to DO for our rights, not what they proclaim they "believe".


    Exactly, that's why we should believe Romney when he says he will support an amendment that defines marriage as between a man and women.

    Romney is the #1 enemy to the gay community.
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    Oct 27, 2012 3:52 PM GMT
    You still believe politicians work for people?
    Or that political parties differ in mission?
    Same bird, two wings.
    We, as a community, must unite. Period.
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    Oct 27, 2012 3:53 PM GMT
    HottJoe saidwe should believe Romney when he says he will support an amendment that defines marriage as between a man and women.

    Romney is the #1 enemy to the gay community.


    Believe Romney all you like. The reality is, regardless of what he may want in terms of outlawing "gay marriage", that doesn't mean he is going to get it. By the same token, what Obama may want is also different than what he may get. The point is, Romney or Obama, Democrat or Republican, congress and/or The Supreme Court will have the last word -- not the president.
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    Oct 27, 2012 3:53 PM GMT
    booboolv saidThe president wasn't a gay marriage supporter in 2008. He isn't now. He made a brief statement pandering to the gay community and now, under election pressure he is backing off.


    True and most likely as he said "an issue for the states to decide" which is the way it's been going down. Besides, there's a certain segment of the gay population who could care less about getting married. Their lives revolve around hooking up whether in a relationship or not, and will most likely continue that way until they're on their death bed.
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    Oct 27, 2012 4:05 PM GMT
    HottJoe said

    Romney is the #1 enemy to the gay community.


    Wrong! The #1 enemy to the gay community are gay men who infect and kill each other with AIDS. And remember, not every gay person is part of the community. Some can think for themselves. There is no straight community.
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    Oct 27, 2012 4:15 PM GMT
    booboolv saidThe president wasn't a gay marriage supporter in 2008. He isn't now. He made a brief statement pandering to the gay community and now, under election pressure he is backing off. Too bad he doesn't have the fortitude to stand for something substantial, whether it be in social justice, or any other subject. Romney may be a step backward socially, but he has a better foreign policy, better tax policy, and better business sense than Obama. I know I'll probably get blasted for making such a statement, but I generally keep quiet when I disagree with what others post and just let people voice their opinion.


    Wrong about both of these things.
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    Oct 27, 2012 4:18 PM GMT
    rkyjockdn said

    We've been thrown under the bus, but most of us will still be voting for the guy.


    And I just think you're being melodramatic.
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    Oct 27, 2012 4:37 PM GMT
    ART_DECO saidin the case of gay marriage, that authority falls to the States under our Federal system. Much the same way you get a driver's license from your State of residence, not from Washington, DC.

    Hence DOMA may have exceeded the role of the Federal government, by attempting to regulate marriage on the national level, and to deny marriage recognition granted by individual States.

    What should be in place and is consistent with our system is the reverse of DOMA.
    Can you imagine if a state refused to issue driving licenses to gays, blacks or... Mormons?

    The issue of "states' rights" is a side issue. It's just a question of jurisdiction.
    At stake is something much more important: PEOPLE'S RIGHTS.
    OUR Rights.
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    Oct 27, 2012 4:55 PM GMT
    Draper said
    HottJoe said

    Romney is the #1 enemy to the gay community.


    Wrong! The #1 enemy to the gay community are gay men who infect and kill each other with AIDS. And remember, not every gay person is part of the community. Some can think for themselves. There is no straight community.


    You're ignorant.
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    Oct 27, 2012 5:05 PM GMT
    Those of you that don't believe Obama supports equal rights for all, gay straight black or white men or women, clearly has not been paying enough attention. For those of you that believe the power rests with the President to make sweeping legislation to allow gay marriage clearly does not understand the Constitution. If you guys really want to blame anyone, blame those you have already elected into congress, those are the people who have more power when it comes to making laws than the President. You can even blame the Supreme courts since their main job is to rule with regards to the Constitution. If the Constitution says equal rights for all why is it so difficult for them rule that gay marriage is legal and should be recognized?

    I understand that most of you guys voted for Obama back in 08' because you felt that he would be the one to give you what you've been fighting for, equality. The truth is you elected him on false hope. He can't do it alone and despite what you all may think, there are more important things to worry about. I know I may get shit for that statement, but it's my opinion. I commend Obama for what he has done for equality and I do believe he will continue to do what he feels is best to get closer and closer to total equality.
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    Oct 27, 2012 5:09 PM GMT
    stlguy20314 saidThose of you that don't believe Obama supports equal rights for all, gay straight black or white men or women, clearly has not been paying enough attention. For those of you that believe the power rests with the President to make sweeping legislation to allow gay marriage clearly does not understand the Constitution. If you guys really want to blame anyone, blame those you have already elected into congress, those are the people who have more power when it comes to making laws than the President. You can even blame the Supreme courts since their main job is to rule with regards to the Constitution. If the Constitution says equal rights for all why is it so difficult for them rule that gay marriage is legal and should be recognized?

    I understand that most of you guys voted for Obama back in 08' because you felt that he would be the one to give you what you've been fighting for, equality. The truth is you elected him on false hope. He can't do it alone and despite what you all may think, there are more important things to worry about. I know I may get shit for that statement, but it's my opinion. I commend Obama for what he has done for equality and I do believe he will continue to do what he feels is best to get closer and closer to total equality.


    +1

    Well said!
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    Oct 27, 2012 7:20 PM GMT
    Let's look at the scorecard:

    Romney: Granted over 180 gay marriage licenses

    Obama: 0

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    Oct 27, 2012 7:22 PM GMT
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    HottJoe saidGay rights will be decided by the supreme court, and Obama will appoint gay friendly judges, whereas Romney appointees are bound to be homophobic.

    Consider further how Romney -- rather than providing specifics -- keeps saying that he knows how to work across the aisle and that specifics will be determined through compromise. If he's even telling the truth, then how much does it really matter if we arrive at a compromise from one side or the other? It's going to be in the same ball park either way.

    Yet on the issue of the Supremes, it's a night and day difference and it is in this court where the decision that we can't be discriminated against will ultimately be made.

    Make no mistake about it: Romney's nominees will push back the cause of gay equal rights.
    Not by 4 or 8 years but by a generation.
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    Oct 27, 2012 7:25 PM GMT
    So sad