Obama Tells MTV He Won't Push Gay Marriage In Second Term

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    Oct 27, 2012 7:27 PM GMT
    DontQuoteMe saidLet's look at the scorecard:

    Romney: Granted over 180 gay marriage licenses

    Obama: 0



    And what?
    This proves that he is even more of a hypocrite and a liar than before. He granted over 180 as a governor, yet now he touts about how against them he is personally? Give me a break.

    Let me guess, you are the newest and latest addition to the traitorous, hypocritical, Gay republican possee we have on this site. Oh goody. icon_rolleyes.gif
    You are in such great company with that ilk.

    Tristan
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    Oct 27, 2012 7:34 PM GMT
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    DontQuoteMe saidLet's look at the scorecard:

    Romney: Granted over 180 gay marriage licenses

    Obama: 0



    And what?
    This proves that he is even more of a hypocrite and a liar than before. He granted over 180 as a governor, yet now he touts about how against them he is personally? Give me a break.

    Let me guess, you are the newest and latest addition to the traitorous, hypocritical, Gay republican possee we have on this site. Oh goody.

    You are in such great company with that ilk.

    Tristan


    And you're in "great company" with the idiotic gay liberals who'll swallow anything Obama puts out there.

    What happened to the rallying cry of "Gay marriage is a CIVIL RIGHT and you DON'T delegate CIVIL RIGHTS to the states?"

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    musclefetish1 said
    DontQuoteMe saidLet's look at the scorecard:

    Romney: Granted over 180 gay marriage licenses

    Obama: 0



    And what?
    This proves that he is even more of a hypocrite and a liar than before. He granted over 180 as a governor, yet now he touts about how against them he is personally? Give me a break.

    Let me guess, you are the newest and latest addition to the traitorous, hypocritical, Gay republican possee we have on this site. Oh goody.

    You are in such great company with that ilk.

    Tristan


    And you're in "great company" with the idiotic gay liberals who'll swallow anything Obama puts out there.

    What happened to the rallying cry of "Gay marriage is a CIVIL RIGHT and you DON'T delegate CIVIL RIGHTS to the states?"



    LOL...idiotic? This coming from a traitorous, hypocritical, Gay republican? icon_lol.gif

    Yes let's vote for the party who calls of deviants. Let's vote for a party who tries to roll back EVERYTHING we as Gay people have advanced.

    Are the Democratic politicians, including President Obama, the great hope that some Gays had hoped for. Nope! They are not. But THEY are not against us either. The republicans are.

    The rallying cries that you "say" with such disdain? They are still there, and will be until it happens. As long as your kind has anything to say about it, we won't see it happen. How proud you must be of yourself.

    Please go to a republican rally! Wave your gop flags and banners. Then....then let the group around you know you are Gay.
    Let's see some of that good ole religious christian republican acceptance and tolerance kick your Gay ass out of their sight.

    Now go...go slither with the rest of your traitorous ilk! icon_mad.gif

    Tristan
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    Oct 27, 2012 7:55 PM GMT
    Do you guys remember that time where we all thought Obama was on board with gay rights and would repeal DOMA? Oh wait...

    Look, I'm still voting for the guy, but this idea that Democrats are completely on our side is a total joke. The difference between Republican and Democratic platform on the subject of gay rights is this: the Republican platform won't acknowledge gay rights, while the Democratic platform is "let's string them along on gay rights for votes."

    Democrats have always been more accepting of homosexuals, but they "shockingly" they lack the balls to actually show conviction on the subject of gay rights. And by shockingly, I mean this is what they do on pretty much every issue. As a registered Democrat, I'm really sick of my party being the party of giant pussies.

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    Oct 27, 2012 8:03 PM GMT
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    musclefetish1 saidI don't understand why we are even responding to this post. A buddy on here emailed me and asked why I hadn't. LOL
    The OP is another of the traitorous, hypocritical, Gay republicans on this site who just posted this to what? Try to persuade the rest of us to vote for someone who is out and out against ANY Gay affirmations? Who will do anything and everything in his power to shove our rights backward? And based on what? His stupid wasteful religious prejudices that he and the other religious right republicans share.
    Are the Democrats and President Obama the great hope that some Gays had hoped for. No, they are not. But THEY are not against us either. They are not fighting us at every turn and advancement. republicans are.

    OP, you and you ilk are shameful low-lifes. You serve no purpose within the Gay community other than being "uncle toms" to the republicans. The same party that would cast you out in a heartbeat once they found out about you.
    So live your life...reap the benefits of how much easier you have it today as opposed to even 10 yrs because of the strives Gay democrats have made. How much better it is for someone who is Gay and in the military. Tell them, that you are Gay, yet vote republican like the contemptuous pieces of garbage you all are.

    Tristan
    Nobody is traitorous, so get off that stupid bullshit. Just because some of the guys on here have different and more conservative viewpoints does not make them traitorous. It appears that you are just intolerant and suffer from an anger management problem. Get a grip on life.


    Don't try arguing with him. It's really not worth it. He lives in a black and white world where Democrats are awesome and Republicans are evil. As a registered Democrat, I can say with all certainty that we are not awesome. We're giant pussies who lack conviction on a variety of issues...kinda like pitching a pro-gay rights agenda and then walking back from it a few weeks away from Election Day out of fear it might turn off moderates.

    There's this idea that voting for Romney is a vote against us. I think Obama's massive step back on the DOMA issue is proof that neither candidate really backs us--at least not to the point most of us gays think the Democrats do.
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    Oct 27, 2012 8:18 PM GMT
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    mocktwinksAll that matters is what a candidate is going to DO for our rights, not what they proclaim they "believe".


    Exactly, that's why we should believe Romney when he says he will support an amendment that defines marriage as between a man and women.

    Romney is the #1 enemy to the gay community.


    Um...really? Romney is the #1 enemy? He's fucking harmless. The only thing that makes him even the slightest of threats is the fact he's running for President. Even out of the nine billion Republican candidates who were running during the primaries, he was the second most gay friendly candidate behind only John Huntsman. (That is actually saying less about the pool, than it is about Romney. Still, my point has been made.) Furthermore, his agenda is meaningless if he has to deal with at least one of the Congressional houses leaning Democrat.

    There are far greater enemies of the gay community. In fact, I'd say the four conservative judges on the Supreme Court (Scalia, Alito, Roberts, and Thomas) are far bigger threats due to the power they hold in any pro-gay rights Supreme Court case. Same holds true for members of Congress.
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    Oct 27, 2012 8:21 PM GMT
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    musclefetish1 saidI don't understand why we are even responding to this post. A buddy on here emailed me and asked why I hadn't. LOL
    The OP is another of the traitorous, hypocritical, Gay republicans on this site who just posted this to what? Try to persuade the rest of us to vote for someone who is out and out against ANY Gay affirmations? Who will do anything and everything in his power to shove our rights backward? And based on what? His stupid wasteful religious prejudices that he and the other religious right republicans share.
    Are the Democrats and President Obama the great hope that some Gays had hoped for. No, they are not. But THEY are not against us either. They are not fighting us at every turn and advancement. republicans are.

    OP, you and you ilk are shameful low-lifes. You serve no purpose within the Gay community other than being "uncle toms" to the republicans. The same party that would cast you out in a heartbeat once they found out about you.
    So live your life...reap the benefits of how much easier you have it today as opposed to even 10 yrs because of the strives Gay democrats have made. How much better it is for someone who is Gay and in the military. Tell them, that you are Gay, yet vote republican like the contemptuous pieces of garbage you all are.

    Tristan
    Nobody is traitorous, so get off that stupid bullshit. Just because some of the guys on here have different and more conservative viewpoints does not make them traitorous. It appears that you are just intolerant and suffer from an anger management problem. Get a grip on life.


    Don't try arguing with him. It's really not worth it. He lives in a black and white world where Democrats are awesome and Republicans are evil. As a registered Democrat, I can say with all certainty that we are not awesome. We're giant pussies who lack conviction on a variety of issues...kinda like pitching a pro-gay rights agenda and then walking back from it a few weeks away from Election Day out of fear it might turn off moderates.

    There's this idea that voting for Romney is a vote against us. I think Obama's massive step back on the DOMA issue is proof that neither candidate really backs us--at least not to the point most of us gays think the Democrats do.


    Hey Genius.....if you actually read what I wrote:

    "Are the Democratic politicians, including President Obama, the great hope that some Gays had hoped for. Nope! They are not. But THEY are not against us either. The republicans are."

    And when it comes to Gays....yes republicans are "evil."

    Tristan
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    Oct 27, 2012 8:30 PM GMT
    I'm an Obama supporter and was during his first presidential campaign. That being said, I don't unanimously agree with his political views. Namely, I think he's too conservative. On gay marriage though, I think it is ignorant to say that it should be handled at the state level. Even state that got on board with marriage equality are up against federal legislation. Gay marriage has already been an issue decided upon by the federal government and we are severely limited in our ability to make political progress until the they are willing to legally acknowledge our civil rights.

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    Oct 27, 2012 8:38 PM GMT
    redsoxfan791 said
    roadbikeRob said
    musclefetish1 saidI don't understand why we are even responding to this post. A buddy on here emailed me and asked why I hadn't. LOL
    The OP is another of the traitorous, hypocritical, Gay republicans on this site who just posted this to what? Try to persuade the rest of us to vote for someone who is out and out against ANY Gay affirmations? Who will do anything and everything in his power to shove our rights backward? And based on what? His stupid wasteful religious prejudices that he and the other religious right republicans share.
    Are the Democrats and President Obama the great hope that some Gays had hoped for. No, they are not. But THEY are not against us either. They are not fighting us at every turn and advancement. republicans are.

    OP, you and you ilk are shameful low-lifes. You serve no purpose within the Gay community other than being "uncle toms" to the republicans. The same party that would cast you out in a heartbeat once they found out about you.
    So live your life...reap the benefits of how much easier you have it today as opposed to even 10 yrs because of the strives Gay democrats have made. How much better it is for someone who is Gay and in the military. Tell them, that you are Gay, yet vote republican like the contemptuous pieces of garbage you all are.

    Tristan
    Nobody is traitorous, so get off that stupid bullshit. Just because some of the guys on here have different and more conservative viewpoints does not make them traitorous. It appears that you are just intolerant and suffer from an anger management problem. Get a grip on life.


    Don't try arguing with him. It's really not worth it. He lives in a black and white world where Democrats are awesome and Republicans are evil. As a registered Democrat, I can say with all certainty that we are not awesome. We're giant pussies who lack conviction on a variety of issues...kinda like pitching a pro-gay rights agenda and then walking back from it a few weeks away from Election Day out of fear it might turn off moderates.

    There's this idea that voting for Romney is a vote against us. I think Obama's massive step back on the DOMA issue is proof that neither candidate really backs us--at least not to the point most of us gays think the Democrats do.


    You do realize that President Obama has asked the Department of Justice to stop defending DOMA?
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    Oct 27, 2012 8:42 PM GMT
    DontQuoteMe saidLet's look at the scorecard:

    Romney: Granted over 180 gay marriage licenses

    Obama: 0



    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage_in_Massachusetts

    Mitt Romney did not sign same-sex marriage into law. Same-sex marriage became legal in Massachusetts because of the ruling of the state's supreme court.

    As Governor Romney had no choice but to grant those licenses.
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    Oct 27, 2012 8:42 PM GMT
    redsoxfan791The only thing that makes him even the slightest of threats is the fact he's running for President. Even out of the nine billion Republican candidates who were running during the primaries, he was the second most gay friendly candidate behind only John Huntsman. (That is actually saying less about the pool, than it is about Romney. Still, my point has been made.) Furthermore, his agenda is meaningless if he has to deal with at least one of the Congressional houses leaning Democrat.There are far greater enemies of the gay community. In fact, I'd say the four conservative judges on the Supreme Court (Scalia, Alito, Roberts, and Thomas) are far bigger threats due to the power they hold in any pro-gay rights Supreme Court case. Same holds true for members of Congress.Report Spam


    This sums up why gay people need to vote for democrats across the board, if we want our best chance at protecting gay rights. We have to prevent conservatives from as much power as we can, especially when it comes to the supreme court judges.
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    musclefetish1 saidI don't understand why we are even responding to this post. A buddy on here emailed me and asked why I hadn't. LOL
    The OP is another of the traitorous, hypocritical, Gay republicans on this site who just posted this to what? Try to persuade the rest of us to vote for someone who is out and out against ANY Gay affirmations? Who will do anything and everything in his power to shove our rights backward? And based on what? His stupid wasteful religious prejudices that he and the other religious right republicans share.
    Are the Democrats and President Obama the great hope that some Gays had hoped for. No, they are not. But THEY are not against us either. They are not fighting us at every turn and advancement. republicans are.

    OP, you and you ilk are shameful low-lifes. You serve no purpose within the Gay community other than being "uncle toms" to the republicans. The same party that would cast you out in a heartbeat once they found out about you.
    So live your life...reap the benefits of how much easier you have it today as opposed to even 10 yrs because of the strives Gay democrats have made. How much better it is for someone who is Gay and in the military. Tell them, that you are Gay, yet vote republican like the contemptuous pieces of garbage you all are.

    Tristan
    Nobody is traitorous, so get off that stupid bullshit. Just because some of the guys on here have different and more conservative viewpoints does not make them traitorous. It appears that you are just intolerant and suffer from an anger management problem. Get a grip on life.


    Don't try arguing with him. It's really not worth it. He lives in a black and white world where Democrats are awesome and Republicans are evil. As a registered Democrat, I can say with all certainty that we are not awesome. We're giant pussies who lack conviction on a variety of issues...kinda like pitching a pro-gay rights agenda and then walking back from it a few weeks away from Election Day out of fear it might turn off moderates.

    There's this idea that voting for Romney is a vote against us. I think Obama's massive step back on the DOMA issue is proof that neither candidate really backs us--at least not to the point most of us gays think the Democrats do.


    You do realize that President Obama has asked the Department of Justice to stop defending DOMA?


    I do realize that, but legally he can't ask the Justice Department to stop enforcing a Congressionally mandated law. Only Congress and the Supreme Court can overturn a law. Right now, Obama's request to Justice is pretty toothless long-term. His words about refusing to push an overturn of DOMA during a second term speaks volumes. Either he lied from the get go about his support for a pro-gay rights agenda at the convention, OR he's pandering to undecided moderates in hopes of winning an election.
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    I do realize that, but legally he can't ask the Justice Department to stop enforcing a Congressionally mandated law. Only Congress and the Supreme Court can overturn a law. Right now, Obama's request to Justice is pretty toothless long-term. His words about refusing to push an overturn of DOMA during a second term speaks volumes. Either he lied from the get go about his support for a pro-gay rights agenda at the convention, OR he's pandering to undecided moderates in hopes of winning an election.


    Have they accused you of being southbeach yet?

    When you point out things like Obama selectively picking and choosing which laws he will and will not follow - which is ILLEGAL - that's things that these delusional dems don't like at all, as it exposes the true Obama - one that just panders for votes, any way possible, even if it is ILLEGAL, but when it comes time to actually DO SOMETHING that might cost Obama votes, he flip flops and we see the REAL Obama.
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    Oct 27, 2012 10:02 PM GMT
    I'm not claiming to know everything about how government works, but damn you guys make me sound like a Civics genius. I love how everyone is blaming one guy as if he is the very reason you can't express yourselves like you want. Well news flash guys the problems lie with your entire governing body from local and state all the way up to the big three branches of government.

    Yes, I am upset that somethings Mr. Obama said he would accomplish hasn't been done, but I still maintain a level head and understand the complexities of how this particular country is ran. If you guys knew exactly how the executive judicial and legislative branches work you will know that Obama is only a figure head. He does have some powers but keep in mind his title is Commander in Chief. He overseas the military and ultimately can't even send them to war without congress' say so. And as far as the military goes he has done a good job. Don't ask don't tell was repealed and gay marriages can now be performed by Chaplains.

    I'm tired of people, young and old for trying to find someone to blame for their countries inadequacies. Truth of the matter is we have come a long way for equal rights in the LGBT community as well as equality for other races and sexes. Yet and still we have far to go. Let your balls drop or get a pair, and quit bitching about it. Shit of this magnitude doesn't get fixed by one person and it's evident they can't get fixed in a term.

    If you want to blame someone blame those who can't come to gripes with the fact that the world is forever changing and equality for all is going to be obtained for all no matter what, it's just a matter of time. Blame those people who still want to hold on to those ideas that only a woman can love and marry a man those people that believe blacks and other minorities are still inferior and those that still believe that women are beneath men.

    As I said before, Obama is fighting for equality. It may not be as quick or in a manner you like but in my opinion he's doing more than any of us whose trying to point a finger at some one person. This has gotten longer than I intended so I'm going to climb down from my soap box and hope that I've manage to leave some kind of lasting impression. You fine gentlemen have a nice day, and read up on your government when you get a chance.
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    Oct 27, 2012 10:09 PM GMT
    Obama wait till the of of his first term when he is having a tough time raising money to come out in favor, then disappears on the issue. I' m voting for Romney since I know what he is!
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    Oct 27, 2012 10:12 PM GMT
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    redsoxfan791 said

    I do realize that, but legally he can't ask the Justice Department to stop enforcing a Congressionally mandated law. Only Congress and the Supreme Court can overturn a law. Right now, Obama's request to Justice is pretty toothless long-term. His words about refusing to push an overturn of DOMA during a second term speaks volumes. Either he lied from the get go about his support for a pro-gay rights agenda at the convention, OR he's pandering to undecided moderates in hopes of winning an election.


    Have they accused you of being southbeach yet?

    When you point out things like Obama selectively picking and choosing which laws he will and will not follow - which is ILLEGAL - that's things that these delusional dems don't like at all, as it exposes the true Obama - one that just panders for votes, any way possible, even if it is ILLEGAL, but when it comes time to actually DO SOMETHING that might cost Obama votes, he flip flops and we see the REAL Obama.


    I get accused of being called a Republican by gay Democrats all of the time. If you don't follow the party line to the very letter every time you're apparently not allowed in the club. I've been called "traitorous" or an "Uncle Tom" because I support everyone's right to have their own opinion.

    No one has the right to tell me how to vote, tell me what issues should be important to me, or try an manipulate me into voting for their candidate through guilt. The problem is those are the easy, lazy ways to make an argument. I really wish people would have the balls to actually sit down and have conversations with pro-gay Republicans in order to find out why they're voting for Romney rather than criticize them. Who knows? Maybe that person will change his/her mind because you, a friend, took the time to rationally talk to them about it. Then again, maybe they won't. Still, it could have an impact that goes beyond the voting booth, and possibly results in activism within their party. People don't realize that guilt and making ultimatums doesn't work. It only makes people want to do the opposite because they take it to mean their opinion is not of value.

    Too many gay people want to guilt people into voting for Obama because they say a vote for Romney is a vote against gays. That's overly simplistic and intellectually dishonest. A voting Republican doesn't necessarily mean you're against gays anymore than voting Democrat means you love killing babies...or hate the troops...or love socialism. What so many liberals don't realize is they're using the same tactics they rail against Republicans for using against them. It'd be comical if it wasn't so sad.

    I'm not giving Republicans a free pass. I don't like they're anti-gay agenda, despite the fact I prefer more conservative tax/economic policies. Right now, I can't see past the gay issue. Despite Obama's remarks, voting for him is still more beneficial to me than voting for Romney. As such, that's what I'll be doing. Not everyone is the same way. Economics, abortion, the role of religion in politics, gun rights, etc. might be the keystone issue for others. Since I'm voting based on my own needs/concerns, I can't fault others for doing the same--even if I vehemently disagree. Because despite what anyone tells you, when they step into the voting booth they're casting their votes to benefit themselves--not society. Voting for society might be a nice benefit, but no one is going to vote for 80% tax brackets or bringing back prohibition just because it might benefit society. They'll only vote that way if it benefits them.
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    meninlove said lol, well which would you rather have? A President that is pro marriage for gays, and will whatever is in his LIMITED reach to have that happen, or one that has declared once in office he will pass a federal law to prevent its occurrence, even on the State level?


    This.....


    Obama is being "politically correct" with his answer. But unfortunately, Romney has explicitly stated he is not going to push for gay marriage. He himself might personally believe the opposite, but he has to answer to his party.


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    Romney signed this:

    "The Pledge


    As the election season heats up, all eyes will be turned on the GOP presidential race. Will the candidate who goes on to challenge Barack Obama be someone who firmly believes in protecting marriage? That’s what the NOM Marriage Pledge is designed to do—publicly commit Republican presidential candidates to pursuing five critical goals to protect marriage:

    Support sending a federal marriage amendment defining marriage as the union of one man and one woman to the states for ratification.
    Nominate to the U.S. Supreme Court and federal bench judges who are committed to restraint and to applying the original meaning of the Constitution, appoint an attorney general similarly committed, and thus reject the idea our Founding Fathers inserted a right to gay marriage into our Constitution
    Defend the federal Defense of Marriage Act vigorously in court.
    Establish a presidential commission on religious liberty to investigate and document reports of Americans who have been harassed or threatened for exercising key civil rights to organize, to speak, to donate or to vote for marriage and to propose new protections, if needed.
    Advance legislation to return to the people of the District of Columbia their right to vote on marriage."

    ...and NOM will use this signed document to its fullest extent publicly to make him make good on this promise.

    btw, The OP, Riddler, has full marriage rights and complete equality in his country - Canada.
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    Oct 28, 2012 2:56 AM GMT
    Bottom line...President Obama stated for the record..in the media that he supported Gay marriage...He's the first President to utter such a statement....He earlier repealed Don't ask,Don't tell...He has gone on record against gay discrimination in the workplace and related hiring practices...He alone has moved forward historical legislative changes that have and will advance Gay kind....He has the courage of his convictions and this gay man will be voting for him November 6....That is all.
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    Oct 28, 2012 3:11 AM GMT
    riddler78 saidhttp://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/obama-ramps-media-blitz-race-tightens/story?id=17571200#.UItG2cW-izh

    During a live interview today inside the White House, President Obama told MTV viewers that when it comes to same-sex marriage and climate change, it would be up to future generations of Americans to implement meaningful reforms.

    When asked if he would use his second term as a platform to overturn the federal ban on gay marriage, the president demurred, saying he viewed it as an issue for the states to decide.

    "For us to try to legislate federally into this area is probably the wrong way to go," Obama told MTV presenter Sway Calloway, who asked questions submitted by youth voters.


    Just another example of Republican lies. How many can they and this awful racist party tell before it is all done.
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    Just another example of Republican lies. How many can they and this awful racist party tell before it is all done.


    Republican? Huh?

    OBAMA said this:

    When asked if he would use his second term as a platform to overturn the federal ban on gay marriage, the president demurred, saying he viewed it as an issue for the states to decide.

    "For us to try to legislate federally into this area is probably the wrong way to go," Obama told MTV presenter Sway Calloway, who asked questions submitted by youth voters.


    So if the states decide this, as Gay-loving Obama says, that STILL won't give gays equal rights with regards to the tax code (filing married), and you American gays won't be able to have your Irish partner legally immigrate to the USA as your spouse.

    Brilliant viewpoint Mr. Obama has, isn't it? FORWARD!!!!
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    Oct 28, 2012 4:04 AM GMT
    [quote][cite]Koaa2 said[/cite]
    Just another example of Republican lies. How many can they and this awful racist party tell before it is all done.[/quote]


    By "all done" do you mean the election in which Mitt Romney becomes the next president of the United States? Because that is what is coming. As for lies, have you listened to President Obama's stump speeches lately? He's so angry and panicked that it's almost hard to watch --- spewing one gross untruth after another, leveling scare tactics to anyone who will listen. His campaign is literally disintegrating because he insists on going small at every speech, while Romney is going big and appealing to the optimism in all of us --- and it's working. Did you see Romney's speeches in Florida today? Record crowds, loads of enthusiasm, momentum building and building.
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    politics....
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    Oct 28, 2012 4:40 AM GMT
    Here's the full transcript on that MTV show. Relevant parts in bold.

    Obama on MTVWell first of all, Sway, as you know, I have been very clear about my belief that same-sex couples have to be treated, before the eyes of the law, as you, know, heterosexual couples. I think that’s the right thing to do. It’s based on my personal experience seeing loving couples who are committed to each other, raising kids, and are just outstanding people.

    And, you know, I was supportive of civil unions, but they taught me that if you’re using different words, if you’re somehow singling them out -- they don’t feel true equality. But what I've also said is, historically marriages have been defined at the state level, and there's a conversation going on. New York has, you know, moved forward with one set of ideas. There are some other states that are still having that debate. And I think for us to, you know, try to legislate federally in this area is probably the wrong way to go. The courts are going to be examining these issues.

    I mean, I’ve stood up and said I’m opposed to the so-called Defense of Marriage Act. Because what that does, it says that the federal government won’t even recognize a marriage for a state that has decided they’re going to recognize same-sex couples. So if you’re a couple in Massachusetts that’s been married, the federal government is saying, we’re not going to recognize that for purposes of transferring social security benefits or something like that. I’ve said that’s wrong.

    There are a couple of cases that are working their way through the courts, and my expectation is that the Defense Against Marriage Act will be overturned. But ultimately, you know, I believe that if we have that conversation at the state level, these, you know, the evolution that is taking place in this country will get us to a place where we are going to be recognizing everybody fairly, and I’m very proud of the fact that, you know, as President, I’ve got a track record of not just talking the talk on this, but also walking the walk: ending Don’t Ask Don’t Tell, you know, making sure that federal employees – that they are treated equally when it comes to their partners, and I’m going to keep on pushing, you know, as hard as I can.

    But what’s really going to change this is the fact that young people -- their attitudes are really going to reflect the future, instead of the past.
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    Oct 28, 2012 4:41 AM GMT
    DontQuoteMe said
    Koaa2 said
    Just another example of Republican lies. How many can they and this awful racist party tell before it is all done.


    Republican? Huh?

    OBAMA said this:

    When asked if he would use his second term as a platform to overturn the federal ban on gay marriage, the president demurred, saying he viewed it as an issue for the states to decide.

    "For us to try to legislate federally into this area is probably the wrong way to go," Obama told MTV presenter Sway Calloway, who asked questions submitted by youth voters.


    So if the states decide this, as Gay-loving Obama says, that STILL won't give gays equal rights with regards to the tax code (filing married), and you American gays won't be able to have your Irish partner legally immigrate to the USA as your spouse.

    Brilliant viewpoint Mr. Obama has, isn't it? FORWARD!!!!


    It's better than signing a public pledge that you are against it, and will do what you can in office to make that happen, isn't it? As well, he's accommodating the many that feel States come first, which must drive you crazy. icon_wink.gif