Obama Tells MTV He Won't Push Gay Marriage In Second Term

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    Oct 28, 2012 4:56 AM GMT
    creature said
    DontQuoteMe saidLet's look at the scorecard:

    Romney: Granted over 180 gay marriage licenses

    Obama: 0

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage_in_Massachusetts

    Mitt Romney did not sign same-sex marriage into law. Same-sex marriage became legal in Massachusetts because of the ruling of the state's supreme court.

    As Governor Romney had no choice but to grant those licenses.

    And then there is the rest of the "score":

    metta8 saidAccomplishments by the Administration and Congress on LGBT Equality

    No one should rest until we have full LGBT equality. But after eight years of Republican disrespect, progress is being made. In its first term, the Obama Administration has...


    http://www.equalitygiving.org/Accomplishments-by-the-Administration-and-Congress-on-LGBT-Equality


    FEDERAL LEGISLATION SIGNED INTO LAW

    Signed the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd, Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act, which expanded existing United States federal hate crime law to include crimes motivated by a victim’s actual or perceived gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability -- the first positive federal LGBT legislation in the nation's history
    Repealed Don't Ask/Don't Tell
    Signed the Ryan White HIV/AIDS Treatment Extension Act

    POLICIES CHANGED

    Reversed US refusal to sign the UN Declaration on Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity
    Extended benefits to same-sex partners of federal employees in 2009 and, further, in 2010
    Lifted the HIV Entry Ban
    Issued diplomatic passports, and provided other benefits, to the partners of same-sex foreign service employees
    Committed to ensuring that federal housing programs are open to all, regardless of sexual orientation or gender identity
    Conceived a National Resource Center for Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender Elders -- the nation's first ever -- funded by a three-year HHS grant to SAG
    Banned job discrimination based on gender identity throughout the Federal government (the nation's largest employer)

    Eliminated the discriminatory Census Bureau policy that kept our relationships from being counted, encouraging couples who consider themselves married to file that way, even if their state of residence does not yet permit legal marriage
    Instructed HHS to require any hospital receiving Medicare or Medicaid funds (virtually all hospitals) to allow LGBT visitation rights
    Required all grant applicants seeking HUD funding to comply with state and local anti-discrimination laws that protect LGBT individuals
    Adopted transgender recommendations on the issuance of gender-appropriate passports that will ease barriers to safe travel and that will provide government-issued ID that avoids involuntary "outing" in situations requiring ID, like hiring, where a gender-appropriate driver's license or birth certificate is not available
    Extended domestic violence protections to LGBT victims
    Extended the Family and Medical Leave Act to cover employees taking unpaid leave to care for the children of same-sex partners
    Issued guidance to assist tenants denied housing on the basis of sexual orientation or gender identity and banned LGBT discrimination in all HUD-assisting housing and HUD-assisted loans
    Issued a National HIV/AIDS Strategy praised as "long-overdue" by the Task Force, Lambda and others
    Issued guidance to 15,000 local departments of education and 5,000 colleges to support educators in combating bullying
    Cut back authority to discharge under Don't Ask/Don't Tell from hundreds of generals to just 6 civilian appointees, effectively ending discharges while working toward a permanent end to the policy.
    Led the fight that reversed a 2010 UN vote removing sexual orientation from the list of things people should not be killed for
    Launched the first-ever national study of discrimination against members of the LGBT community in the rental and sale of housing
    Determined that Section 3 of DOMA is unconstitutional
    Determined that LGBT discrimination should be subject to a standard of "heightened scrutiny"
    Stopped defending DOMA, leading to "dramatic changes across the country and the federal government in the way that lawyers and judges see legal challenges brought by LGBT people - and, slowly but surely, in the way that LGBT people are able to live their lives"
    Filed an unprecedented brief detailing the history of discrimination faced by gay, lesbian and bisexual people in America, including by the federal government itself -- the single most persuasive legal argument ever advanced by the United States government in support of equality for lesbian, gay and bisexual people
    Vacated a court order that would have deported a gay American's Venezuelan partner
    Begun recognizing joint bankruptcy petitions filed by same-sex married couples
    Endorsed the Respect for Marriage Act
    Reduced the deportation threat faced by binational LGBT couples
    Authorized military chaplains to perform same-sex weddings on or off military bases
    Upped the nation's commitment to fighting HIV/AIDS at home and abroad
    Launched a muscular, game-changing campaign for global LGBT equality, highlighted by the Secretary of State in a half-hour address to the United Nations
    Extended the gender-based employment discrimination protections of the 1964 Civil Rights Act to transgender employees
    Added an LGBT representative to the diversity program at each of the nations 120 federal prisons

    RESPECT & INCLUSION

    Endorsed the Baldwin-Lieberman bill, The Domestic Partnership Benefits and Obligations Act of 2009, to provide FULL partnership benefits to federal employees
    Released the first Presidential PRIDE proclamations since 2000
    Hosted the first LGBT Pride Month Celebration in White House history
    Awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom to Harvey Milk and Billie Jean King, joining past recipients such as Rosa Parks
    Appointed the first ever transgender DNC member
    Testified in favor of ENDA, the first time any official of any administration has testified in the Senate on ENDA
    Hired more openly LGBT officials (like these) in its first two years -- more than 150, including more than 20 "Senate-confirmables" -- than any previous administration hired in four years or eight
    Sworn in Ambassador David Huebner
    Changed the culture of government everywhere from – among others – HUD and HHS to the Export-Import Bank, the State Department, and the Department of Education
    Appointed Justices Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan, instead of conservatives who would have tilted the Court even further to the right and virtually doomed our rights for a generation. To wit (quoting McCain): "I've said a thousand times on this campaign trail, I've said as often as I can, that I want to find clones of Alito and Roberts. I worked as hard as anybody to get them confirmed. I look you in the eye and tell you I've said a thousand times that I wanted Alito and Roberts. I have told anybody who will listen. I flat-out tell you I will have people as close to Roberts and Alito [as possible]."
    Named open transgender appointees (the first President ever to do so)

    Emphasized LGBT inclusion in everything from the President’s historic NAACP address (“The pain of discrimination is still felt in America. By African American women paid less for doing the same work as colleagues of a different color and a different gender. By Latinos made to feel unwelcome in their own country. By Muslim Americans viewed with suspicion simply because they kneel down to pray to their God. By our gay brothers and sisters, still taunted, still attacked, still denied their rights.”) . . . to the first paragraph of his Family Day proclamation
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    Nov 28, 2012 2:22 PM GMT
    The guy is a leader, NOT a king rulin a dictatorship. He might support it but there's only so much he can do before opposing parties start saying he's biased and "disrespecting" their beliefs, etc. we have to take it upon ourselves to fix this mess
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    Nov 28, 2012 2:31 PM GMT
    riddler78 saidhttp://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/obama-ramps-media-blitz-race-tightens/story?id=17571200#.UItG2cW-izh

    During a live interview today inside the White House, President Obama told MTV viewers that when it comes to same-sex marriage and climate change, it would be up to future generations of Americans to implement meaningful reforms.

    When asked if he would use his second term as a platform to overturn the federal ban on gay marriage, the president demurred, saying he viewed it as an issue for the states to decide.

    "For us to try to legislate federally into this area is probably the wrong way to go," Obama told MTV presenter Sway Calloway, who asked questions submitted by youth voters.



    Totally agree with the president on this. This fight will be won without his help (well his Admin isn't defending DOMA in court and that's a big help as is).

  • Nov 28, 2012 2:35 PM GMT
    People act surprised that he has "changed his mind". Did we honestly NOT see this coming? Candidates will say anything to get elected.
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    Nov 28, 2012 2:45 PM GMT


    To the two guys above me, please read the quotes posts below because you're both sounding rather foolish:

    morleyq said
    creature said
    DontQuoteMe saidLet's look at the scorecard:

    Romney: Granted over 180 gay marriage licenses

    Obama: 0

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage_in_Massachusetts

    Mitt Romney did not sign same-sex marriage into law. Same-sex marriage became legal in Massachusetts because of the ruling of the state's supreme court.

    As Governor Romney had no choice but to grant those licenses.

    And then there is the rest of the "score":

    metta8 saidAccomplishments by the Administration and Congress on LGBT Equality

    No one should rest until we have full LGBT equality. But after eight years of Republican disrespect, progress is being made. In its first term, the Obama Administration has...


    http://www.equalitygiving.org/Accomplishments-by-the-Administration-and-Congress-on-LGBT-Equality


    FEDERAL LEGISLATION SIGNED INTO LAW

    Signed the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd, Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act, which expanded existing United States federal hate crime law to include crimes motivated by a victim’s actual or perceived gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability -- the first positive federal LGBT legislation in the nation's history
    Repealed Don't Ask/Don't Tell
    Signed the Ryan White HIV/AIDS Treatment Extension Act

    POLICIES CHANGED

    Reversed US refusal to sign the UN Declaration on Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity
    Extended benefits to same-sex partners of federal employees in 2009 and, further, in 2010
    Lifted the HIV Entry Ban
    Issued diplomatic passports, and provided other benefits, to the partners of same-sex foreign service employees
    Committed to ensuring that federal housing programs are open to all, regardless of sexual orientation or gender identity
    Conceived a National Resource Center for Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender Elders -- the nation's first ever -- funded by a three-year HHS grant to SAG
    Banned job discrimination based on gender identity throughout the Federal government (the nation's largest employer)

    Eliminated the discriminatory Census Bureau policy that kept our relationships from being counted, encouraging couples who consider themselves married to file that way, even if their state of residence does not yet permit legal marriage
    Instructed HHS to require any hospital receiving Medicare or Medicaid funds (virtually all hospitals) to allow LGBT visitation rights
    Required all grant applicants seeking HUD funding to comply with state and local anti-discrimination laws that protect LGBT individuals
    Adopted transgender recommendations on the issuance of gender-appropriate passports that will ease barriers to safe travel and that will provide government-issued ID that avoids involuntary "outing" in situations requiring ID, like hiring, where a gender-appropriate driver's license or birth certificate is not available
    Extended domestic violence protections to LGBT victims
    Extended the Family and Medical Leave Act to cover employees taking unpaid leave to care for the children of same-sex partners
    Issued guidance to assist tenants denied housing on the basis of sexual orientation or gender identity and banned LGBT discrimination in all HUD-assisting housing and HUD-assisted loans
    Issued a National HIV/AIDS Strategy praised as "long-overdue" by the Task Force, Lambda and others
    Issued guidance to 15,000 local departments of education and 5,000 colleges to support educators in combating bullying
    Cut back authority to discharge under Don't Ask/Don't Tell from hundreds of generals to just 6 civilian appointees, effectively ending discharges while working toward a permanent end to the policy.
    Led the fight that reversed a 2010 UN vote removing sexual orientation from the list of things people should not be killed for
    Launched the first-ever national study of discrimination against members of the LGBT community in the rental and sale of housing
    Determined that Section 3 of DOMA is unconstitutional
    Determined that LGBT discrimination should be subject to a standard of "heightened scrutiny"
    Stopped defending DOMA, leading to "dramatic changes across the country and the federal government in the way that lawyers and judges see legal challenges brought by LGBT people - and, slowly but surely, in the way that LGBT people are able to live their lives"
    Filed an unprecedented brief detailing the history of discrimination faced by gay, lesbian and bisexual people in America, including by the federal government itself -- the single most persuasive legal argument ever advanced by the United States government in support of equality for lesbian, gay and bisexual people
    Vacated a court order that would have deported a gay American's Venezuelan partner
    Begun recognizing joint bankruptcy petitions filed by same-sex married couples
    Endorsed the Respect for Marriage Act
    Reduced the deportation threat faced by binational LGBT couples
    Authorized military chaplains to perform same-sex weddings on or off military bases
    Upped the nation's commitment to fighting HIV/AIDS at home and abroad
    Launched a muscular, game-changing campaign for global LGBT equality, highlighted by the Secretary of State in a half-hour address to the United Nations
    Extended the gender-based employment discrimination protections of the 1964 Civil Rights Act to transgender employees
    Added an LGBT representative to the diversity program at each of the nations 120 federal prisons

    RESPECT & INCLUSION

    Endorsed the Baldwin-Lieberman bill, The Domestic Partnership Benefits and Obligations Act of 2009, to provide FULL partnership benefits to federal employees
    Released the first Presidential PRIDE proclamations since 2000
    Hosted the first LGBT Pride Month Celebration in White House history
    Awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom to Harvey Milk and Billie Jean King, joining past recipients such as Rosa Parks
    Appointed the first ever transgender DNC member
    Testified in favor of ENDA, the first time any official of any administration has testified in the Senate on ENDA
    Hired more openly LGBT officials (like these) in its first two years -- more than 150, including more than 20 "Senate-confirmables" -- than any previous administration hired in four years or eight
    Sworn in Ambassador David Huebner
    Changed the culture of government everywhere from – among others – HUD and HHS to the Export-Import Bank, the State Department, and the Department of Education
    Appointed Justices Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan, instead of conservatives who would have tilted the Court even further to the right and virtually doomed our rights for a generation. To wit (quoting McCain): "I've said a thousand times on this campaign trail, I've said as often as I can, that I want to find clones of Alito and Roberts. I worked as hard as anybody to get them confirmed. I look you in the eye and tell you I've said a thousand times that I wanted Alito and Roberts. I have told anybody who will listen. I flat-out tell you I will have people as close to Roberts and Alito [as possible]."
    Named open transgender appointees (the first President ever to do so)

    Emphasized LGBT inclusion in everything from the President’s historic NAACP address (“The pain of discrimination is still felt in America. By African American women paid less for doing the same work as colleagues of a different color and a different gender. By Latinos made to feel unwelcome in their own country. By Muslim Americans viewed with suspicion simply because they kneel down to pray to their God.
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    Nov 29, 2012 6:02 AM GMT
    Is anyone really surprised? I mean, he got the votes, won re-election, so why would he care? It's his last term and doesn't have to please anyone. No offense to any particular party, but I wish we had more choices in our elections. It would be nice to see a panel of like five or six men or women who represented different parties rather than just the same two. It just seems like it would be more democratic to have other choices- oh wait, we do...they just never get any air time (ie televised debates on major networks, etc). Despite many different opinions, I read up on all the candidates and ended up voting for a party that I felt represented my views- of course, they didn't win because they weren't one of the main parties. It kind of sucks, but whatever. I'm going to do the same thing for all elections even if I, to quote the Simpsons episode where the two aliens disguise themselves as the candidates Bill Clinton and Bob Dole, "throw my vote away."
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    Nov 29, 2012 6:06 AM GMT
    Smalltownguyca saidIs anyone really surprised? I mean, he got the votes, won re-election, so why would he care?

    This is an interview from before the election, not after he got the votes and won re-election.
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    Nov 29, 2012 6:16 AM GMT
    riddler78 saidhttp://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/obama-ramps-media-blitz-race-tightens/story?id=17571200#.UItG2cW-izh

    During a live interview today inside the White House, President Obama told MTV viewers that when it comes to same-sex marriage and climate change, it would be up to future generations of Americans to implement meaningful reforms.

    When asked if he would use his second term as a platform to overturn the federal ban on gay marriage, the president demurred, saying he viewed it as an issue for the states to decide.

    "For us to try to legislate federally into this area is probably the wrong way to go," Obama told MTV presenter Sway Calloway, who asked questions submitted by youth voters.


    I think he might let the Supreme Court decide on it. Personally I think he will have a hand in the legislature as far as signing it if it comes across his table and supporting a law if it comes forward. However federally this ban on it should be knocked down and it's not really a states issue.
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    Nov 29, 2012 6:30 AM GMT
    MashogaNubianPrince saidI think he might let the Supreme Court decide on it. Personally I think he will have a hand in the legislature as far as signing it if it comes across his table and supporting a law if it comes forward. However federally this ban on it should be knocked down and it's not really a states issue.


    No, it never would make it through congress and never make it to Obama's desk and will eventually be decided by the courts. Even though it would kind of be a waste of time, it still would be nice to at least see it put up for a vote and see each congressperson officially put on record of where they stand on the issue.
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    Nov 29, 2012 6:33 AM GMT
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    MashogaNubianPrince saidI think he might let the Supreme Court decide on it. Personally I think he will have a hand in the legislature as far as signing it if it comes across his table and supporting a law if it comes forward. However federally this ban on it should be knocked down and it's not really a states issue.


    No, it never would make it through congress and never make it to Obama's desk and will eventually be decided by the courts. Even though it would kind of be a waste of time, it still would be nice to at least see it put up for a vote and see each congressperson officially put on record of where they stand on the issue.


    If in 2014 we get a democratic supermajority we might be able to get that pushed through.

    Or couldn't they just come up with something in the senate and pass it there?
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    Nov 29, 2012 6:38 AM GMT
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    MashogaNubianPrince saidI think he might let the Supreme Court decide on it. Personally I think he will have a hand in the legislature as far as signing it if it comes across his table and supporting a law if it comes forward. However federally this ban on it should be knocked down and it's not really a states issue.


    No, it never would make it through congress and never make it to Obama's desk and will eventually be decided by the courts. Even though it would kind of be a waste of time, it still would be nice to at least see it put up for a vote and see each congressperson officially put on record of where they stand on the issue.


    If in 2014 we get a democratic supermajority we might be able to get that pushed through.

    Or couldn't they just come up with something in the senate and pass it there?

    It has to make it through both the Senate and the House before it goes to the President. There might be enough votes in the Senate if it were to be voted on, but it would probably be filibustered to try and prevent a vote. If Democrats were to gain a majority in congress in 2014, and that is difficult, it would be into 2015 before anything could possibly happen and by then it might have already been taken up the Supreme Court.