Obama Responds To 10-Year-Old's Letter About Her Gay Dads

  • Whipmagic

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    Nov 06, 2012 12:42 AM GMT
    DontQuoteMe said
    Stuttershock said
    DontQuoteMe SaidAnyway, marriage was always recognized as "straight marriage" by the Federal government. There's not one case of an American citizen bringing a non-citizen of the same sex to immigrate in the USA on the basis of marriage. Same with the IRS - they've never recognized a same sex couple as being "married" with regards to the tax code. This goes back to the founding of the country.


    I'm sorry, but I don't think that is true.

    Marriage has not always been defined as heterosexual by the federal government, not prior to DOMA in 1996. If it did, then there wouldn't be much point to an amendment like DOMA, would there?

    The only reason there are no cases of an American citizen bringing a non-citizen of the same sex to immigrate is because DOMA was put in place before any of the states recognized same-sex marriages, Massachusetts was the first in 2004.

    Had any of the states legalized same-sex marriage before the introduction of DOMA then you would have seen same sex immigration.



    Nope. (But I do appreciate your respectful tone and that you're not calling names).

    The fact that no same-sex couples have ever immigrated to the USA using their married status, along with the fact that the IRS has never allowed a same-sex couple to file "married" is prima facie evidence.


    That really is because of section 3 of DOMA, and no other reason. Deemed unconstitutional by multiple federal coursts. DoJ concurs, but until SCOTUS concurs, or DOMA is repealed by Congress, IRS and the immigaration agencies have to enforce it. The second DOMA is struck down, you will see the IRS recognizing gay marriages from states that recognize it.
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    Nov 06, 2012 12:46 AM GMT
    D'aww this letter was adorable
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    Nov 06, 2012 12:49 AM GMT
    arggggh, too damn cute. this definitely put a big smile on my face. icon_biggrin.gif
  • KissTheSky

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    Nov 06, 2012 12:55 AM GMT
    This letter is really inspiring. Obama is clearly the most pro-gay president in American history.
    What a dramatic contrast to Romney's shameful record of harassing and persecuting gay families and even the children of gay parents.

    As this letter circulates around the internet, I hope it will inspire people to vote for Obama, who supports equality for gay families, and reject Romney's bigotry and campaign of lies and hate. That kind of garbage belongs to the past, not the future.

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    Nov 06, 2012 12:56 AM GMT
    Whipmagic said
    DontQuoteMe said
    Stuttershock said
    DontQuoteMe SaidAnyway, marriage was always recognized as "straight marriage" by the Federal government. There's not one case of an American citizen bringing a non-citizen of the same sex to immigrate in the USA on the basis of marriage. Same with the IRS - they've never recognized a same sex couple as being "married" with regards to the tax code. This goes back to the founding of the country.


    I'm sorry, but I don't think that is true.

    Marriage has not always been defined as heterosexual by the federal government, not prior to DOMA in 1996. If it did, then there wouldn't be much point to an amendment like DOMA, would there?

    The only reason there are no cases of an American citizen bringing a non-citizen of the same sex to immigrate is because DOMA was put in place before any of the states recognized same-sex marriages, Massachusetts was the first in 2004.

    Had any of the states legalized same-sex marriage before the introduction of DOMA then you would have seen same sex immigration.



    Nope. (But I do appreciate your respectful tone and that you're not calling names).

    The fact that no same-sex couples have ever immigrated to the USA using their married status, along with the fact that the IRS has never allowed a same-sex couple to file "married" is prima facie evidence.


    That really is because of section 3 of DOMA, and no other reason. Deemed unconstitutional by multiple federal coursts. DoJ concurs, but until SCOTUS concurs, or DOMA is repealed by Congress, IRS and the immigaration agencies have to enforce it. The second DOMA is struck down, you will see the IRS recognizing gay marriages from states that recognize it.


    It's not because of DOMA. There's 200+ years of history prior to DOMA with regards to immigration and almost a century of history with regards to the IRS.

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    Nov 06, 2012 12:59 AM GMT
    Silly girl.

    Only the Free Market can legitimize your sick, perverted brood. If it doesn't, then you should only discuss such things in quiet rooms with the help or whatever leather queens your two "fathers" have invited over for some unspeakable sexual orgy of monstrous sex-queen lust.

    Repent, devil-child.
  • Whipmagic

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    Nov 06, 2012 1:00 AM GMT
    DontQuoteMe said
    Whipmagic said
    DontQuoteMe said
    Stuttershock said
    DontQuoteMe SaidAnyway, marriage was always recognized as "straight marriage" by the Federal government. There's not one case of an American citizen bringing a non-citizen of the same sex to immigrate in the USA on the basis of marriage. Same with the IRS - they've never recognized a same sex couple as being "married" with regards to the tax code. This goes back to the founding of the country.


    I'm sorry, but I don't think that is true.

    Marriage has not always been defined as heterosexual by the federal government, not prior to DOMA in 1996. If it did, then there wouldn't be much point to an amendment like DOMA, would there?

    The only reason there are no cases of an American citizen bringing a non-citizen of the same sex to immigrate is because DOMA was put in place before any of the states recognized same-sex marriages, Massachusetts was the first in 2004.

    Had any of the states legalized same-sex marriage before the introduction of DOMA then you would have seen same sex immigration.



    Nope. (But I do appreciate your respectful tone and that you're not calling names).

    The fact that no same-sex couples have ever immigrated to the USA using their married status, along with the fact that the IRS has never allowed a same-sex couple to file "married" is prima facie evidence.


    That really is because of section 3 of DOMA, and no other reason. Deemed unconstitutional by multiple federal coursts. DoJ concurs, but until SCOTUS concurs, or DOMA is repealed by Congress, IRS and the immigaration agencies have to enforce it. The second DOMA is struck down, you will see the IRS recognizing gay marriages from states that recognize it.


    It's not because of DOMA. There's 200+ years of history prior to DOMA with regards to immigration and almost a century of history with regards to the IRS.



    Wanna bet? 10k... ahem $10 (I don't have millions in the Caymans), if section 3 of DOMA is struck down or repealed, and Obama is reelected, the feds will recognize gay marriages for tx or immigration purposes within a year?
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    Nov 06, 2012 2:52 AM GMT
    DontQuoteMe saidAnd now a dose of reality.

    The President has finished "evolving" and has declared that the "basic human right of marriage" is something that the Federal government should not legislate. Rather, it should be up to each state to decide.

    So Obama's position is that it is illegal for the Federal government to recognize "gay marriage" but legal for the Federal government to recognize "straight marriage."

    Pretty bold statement, no?


    I think your view of this is borderline irresponsible and dangerous to our cause because it frames the President as being obstructive in the gay rights campaign. He is not on the wrong side of history here. My criticism isn't of you, it's of your message because you've not given him one shred of credit; no acknowledgement of some of the things gays can now do under his administration that others would gladly rip away. Support that started in 2009 with his signing of the Mathew Shepard Hate Crimes Act, which failed to be passed 10 times between 2001-2008 and a bill that former President Bush threatened to veto if it were passed to him to sign.

    Furthermore, if you research "gay rights Obama", you'd be able to find 25+ pro gay accomplishments under his administration in the past 3 years. But you'll need to search for yourself like I did... I'm not going to do your homework for you. Please don't be a low information poster. We have enough of them.
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    Nov 06, 2012 3:23 AM GMT
    Whipmagic said
    DontQuoteMe said
    Whipmagic said
    DontQuoteMe said
    Stuttershock said
    DontQuoteMe SaidAnyway, marriage was always recognized as "straight marriage" by the Federal government. There's not one case of an American citizen bringing a non-citizen of the same sex to immigrate in the USA on the basis of marriage. Same with the IRS - they've never recognized a same sex couple as being "married" with regards to the tax code. This goes back to the founding of the country.


    I'm sorry, but I don't think that is true.

    Marriage has not always been defined as heterosexual by the federal government, not prior to DOMA in 1996. If it did, then there wouldn't be much point to an amendment like DOMA, would there?

    The only reason there are no cases of an American citizen bringing a non-citizen of the same sex to immigrate is because DOMA was put in place before any of the states recognized same-sex marriages, Massachusetts was the first in 2004.

    Had any of the states legalized same-sex marriage before the introduction of DOMA then you would have seen same sex immigration.



    Nope. (But I do appreciate your respectful tone and that you're not calling names).

    The fact that no same-sex couples have ever immigrated to the USA using their married status, along with the fact that the IRS has never allowed a same-sex couple to file "married" is prima facie evidence.


    That really is because of section 3 of DOMA, and no other reason. Deemed unconstitutional by multiple federal coursts. DoJ concurs, but until SCOTUS concurs, or DOMA is repealed by Congress, IRS and the immigaration agencies have to enforce it. The second DOMA is struck down, you will see the IRS recognizing gay marriages from states that recognize it.


    It's not because of DOMA. There's 200+ years of history prior to DOMA with regards to immigration and almost a century of history with regards to the IRS.



    Wanna bet? 10k... ahem $10 (I don't have millions in the Caymans), if section 3 of DOMA is struck down or repealed, and Obama is reelected, the feds will recognize gay marriages for tx or immigration purposes within a year?


    You're not addressing my point at all. Next.
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    Nov 06, 2012 3:27 AM GMT
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    DontQuoteMe saidAnd now a dose of reality.

    The President has finished "evolving" and has declared that the "basic human right of marriage" is something that the Federal government should not legislate. Rather, it should be up to each state to decide.

    So Obama's position is that it is illegal for the Federal government to recognize "gay marriage" but legal for the Federal government to recognize "straight marriage."

    Pretty bold statement, no?


    I think your view of this is borderline irresponsible and dangerous to our cause because it frames the President as being obstructive in the gay rights campaign. He is not on the wrong side of history here. My criticism isn't of you, it's of your message because you've not given him one shred of credit; no acknowledgement of some of the things gays can now do under his administration that others would gladly rip away. Support that started in 2009 with his signing of the Mathew Shepard Hate Crimes Act, which failed to be passed 10 times between 2001-2008 and a bill that former President Bush threatened to veto if it were passed to him to sign.

    Furthermore, if you research "gay rights Obama", you'd be able to find 25+ pro gay accomplishments under his administration in the past 3 years. But you'll need to search for yourself like I did... I'm not going to do your homework for you. Please don't be a low information poster. We have enough of them.


    Thanks for your reply. The fact is, Obama "evolved" to a point where he is now conveniently not in the equation when in fact the Federal government is very much in the equation.

    As for all those "anti-anti-gay" and "anti-bullying" laws / acts / etc - they're only useful for politicians (and their supporters) to point to in saying their candidate is helping the gays. I can assure you they haven't prevented any anti-gay bullying whatsoever.
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    Nov 06, 2012 3:34 AM GMT
    DontQuoteMe saidAnd now a dose of reality.

    The President has finished "evolving" and has declared that the "basic human right of marriage" is something that the Federal government should not legislate. Rather, it should be up to each state to decide.

    So Obama's position is that it is illegal for the Federal government to recognize "gay marriage" but legal for the Federal government to recognize "straight marriage."

    Pretty bold statement, no?


    Here's a bigger dose of reality, this is the most progressive stance a president has taken on gay marriage in 200 years. Remember that when you vote tomorrow. icon_wink.gif

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    Nov 06, 2012 4:01 AM GMT
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    DontQuoteMe saidAnd now a dose of reality.

    The President has finished "evolving" and has declared that the "basic human right of marriage" is something that the Federal government should not legislate. Rather, it should be up to each state to decide.

    So Obama's position is that it is illegal for the Federal government to recognize "gay marriage" but legal for the Federal government to recognize "straight marriage."

    Pretty bold statement, no?


    Here's a bigger dose of reality, this is the most progressive stance a president has taken on gay marriage in 200 years. Remember that when you vote tomorrow.



    It's a dodge. And totally NOT the way one should view "a basic human right" (by delegating it to the states).

    Aside from that, it's 1,000,000% pro-gay.
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    Nov 06, 2012 4:38 AM GMT
    I hate that it's still up to what other people think that determines how others should live their lives. Can I move to Canada?
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    Nov 06, 2012 4:41 AM GMT
    I love him like a family member...he seems like such a cool person to be around. My dream is to meet him and Michelle one day icon_smile.gif
  • 1blind_dog

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    Nov 06, 2012 5:26 AM GMT
    DontQuoteMe saidAnd now a dose of reality.

    The President has finished "evolving" and has declared that the "basic human right of marriage" is something that the Federal government should not legislate. Rather, it should be up to each state to decide.

    So Obama's position is that it is illegal for the Federal government to recognize "gay marriage" but legal for the Federal government to recognize "straight marriage."

    Pretty bold statement, no?


    Bold? Not really. More like smart. Bold would be to completely endorse gay marriage. A full endorsement could have been enough to drop his chances to get back into the White House. The idea of gay marriage has come a long way but the country isn't ready to completely accept it yet. He's the first sitting president to be openly pro-gay marriage. You can't put all the pressure on him to be the knight in kevlar armor for our civil rights. Gay marriage has support throughout the country but not overwhelmingly enough that it wouldn't be a battle in Congress and the courts and, frankly, he's got too much on his table that takes precedent. Despite all of that, it is likely that the military will recognize gay marriage or at least provide equal benefits to those in civil unions before they're recognized nationally.
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    Nov 06, 2012 5:33 AM GMT
    millefiori saidAw. What marshmallow sweet propaganda. Let the states decide how they feel about gay marriage and have each community choose for itself. The federal government, including the opinion of the president, should not have any influence.


    To a social extent, yes, to a legal extent, no.
    The feds should eventually take this to the Supreme Court of your country, should the President see that States are ratifying marriage for same sex couples in large numbers (of States). Even Mocktwinkles said that it was better for the States to go first, as a federal decree just as easily could be eradicating same sex marriages as allowing them.

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    Nov 06, 2012 5:55 AM GMT
    myLoveAngel saidGay-Marriage-Who-Am-I-To-Stop-True-Love.

    i vote OBAMA



    Obama is The Man. Fuck Romney and his pancake-ness
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    Nov 06, 2012 6:05 AM GMT
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    To a social extent, yes, to a legal extent, no.
    The feds should eventually take this to the Supreme Court of your country, should the President see that States are ratifying marriage for same sex couples in large numbers (of States). Even Mocktwinkles said that it was better for the States to go first, as a federal decree just as easily could be eradicating same sex marriages as allowing them.




    And this shows how totally ignorant of the American system of government you are. "The feds should eventually take this to the Supreme Court..." Which branch of government "takes things to the Supreme Court" huh? Is it the Executive branch or the Legislative branch? I guess the Supreme Court just hears whatever cases "the feds" tell them to?

    Keep your uninformed claptrap up in Canada, will you please?
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    Nov 06, 2012 6:39 AM GMT
    DontQuoteMe said
    meninlove said

    To a social extent, yes, to a legal extent, no.
    The feds should eventually take this to the Supreme Court of your country, should the President see that States are ratifying marriage for same sex couples in large numbers (of States). Even Mocktwinkles said that it was better for the States to go first, as a federal decree just as easily could be eradicating same sex marriages as allowing them.




    And this shows how totally ignorant of the American system of government you are. "The feds should eventually take this to the Supreme Court..." Which branch of government "takes things to the Supreme Court" huh? Is it the Executive branch or the Legislative branch? I guess the Supreme Court just hears whatever cases "the feds" tell them to?

    Keep your uninformed claptrap up in Canada, will you please?


    If you're going to take the time to respond to someone with unnecessary, condescending, BS attitude you could at least respond to both sentences. Show a little respect.
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    Nov 06, 2012 6:45 AM GMT
    1blind_dog said
    DontQuoteMe said
    meninlove said

    To a social extent, yes, to a legal extent, no.
    The feds should eventually take this to the Supreme Court of your country, should the President see that States are ratifying marriage for same sex couples in large numbers (of States). Even Mocktwinkles said that it was better for the States to go first, as a federal decree just as easily could be eradicating same sex marriages as allowing them.




    And this shows how totally ignorant of the American system of government you are. "The feds should eventually take this to the Supreme Court..." Which branch of government "takes things to the Supreme Court" huh? Is it the Executive branch or the Legislative branch? I guess the Supreme Court just hears whatever cases "the feds" tell them to?

    Keep your uninformed claptrap up in Canada, will you please?


    If you're going to take the time to respond to someone with unnecessary, condescending, BS attitude you could at least respond to both sentences. Show a little respect.


    Some people are just so dense and deep in denial that it is best to leave them be, they do not even merit a response.
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    Nov 06, 2012 6:46 AM GMT
    Love it
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    Nov 06, 2012 8:00 AM GMT
    My favorite part is the way she drew her two dads with exaggerated lips, drew a line connecting the lips, and labeled that line "love." Brava, Sophia.
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    Nov 06, 2012 10:04 AM GMT
    He will do anything for votes- you didn't hear shit about this until the end of his election yearicon_idea.gificon_idea.gif 3.7 years prior he didn't give a shit about any of you. Now all the young men and woman with college degrees working at low paying hourly jobs if they can find them and many woman and low income earning men have stopped looking for work all together!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Just keep adding trillions to the debt-stimulus plan was great wasn't it??? It was an EPIC failure. All his empty promises about the economy and all he can do is blame the repubs as he spends 90 billion on green energy-foolish. He is out for himself alone.icon_idea.gif Green companies contributed big bucks toward his campaign and he even promised them more as long as he keeps getting the Kick backs $$$$. You fools enjoy more of the same and worse if he gets four more.icon_idea.gificon_idea.gificon_idea.gif

    No matter who wins I am more than financially secure and plan on early retirement to travel very soon. Thanks APPL stock among others. Well another 14 hour work day-voting tomorrow but the rich folks in my liberal state don't care about the poor. The poor areas in NY out in Staten Island and Long Island still don't have power from Sandy. Many can't even get out to vote. They will be last on the list for help.
    Read the dear President Obama letter from a little boy who has slept in a cold house since the storm, or the children on the shore areas who have no school left to attend, no sewers repaired and crapping outside like a 3rd world country- wait he didn't answer those letters!!icon_idea.gif Not good PR for him I guess. Michelle O "hey kids do jumping jacks to stay warm." Works for meicon_smile.gif"

    Our town has sent thousands of dollars as well as food, clean water and supplies to the hardest hit areas. Remember to vote, but remember your fellow man not just during times of tragedy but all year long. If you can't donate money donate your time.
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    Nov 06, 2012 10:27 AM GMT
    I love how the mythical log cabin republicans come out of the woodwork to poop all over the heart warming.

    This president has done more for us as gays than any other, but all you three can do is parrot your party's non-facts and outright lies. Nice.
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    Nov 06, 2012 11:20 AM GMT
    meninlove said

    OK DQM, where and when did Obama say he would make federal laws allowing gay marriage if he got in?
    The only one declaring making laws about gay people on a federal level is...Mitty.

    (and to everyone else, yes I know what a dimwit DQM is, but humour me this once)

    " After longstanding personal opposition to gay marriage, Obama in an exclusive interview with ABC News in May announced he believes gay couples should be allowed to wed. Has long said he opposes the Defense of Marriage Act, the federal law that defines marriage as being between one man and one woman, and has called for its repeal. His Justice Department ceased defending the law in legal battles, an unprecedented move. Despite his stated support, Obama says he has no plans to push federal legislation compelling the states to recognize same-sex marriages."

    ...and Mitty,
    "Says he will “champion” a constitutional amendment “defining marriage as a union between one man and one woman.” He has also promised to appoint an attorney general who will “defend the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA),” a law the Obama administration has stopped backing in court."

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    Did you notice that DQM conveniently ignored this particular reply?

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