Seasonal Affective Disorder

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    Nov 15, 2012 10:00 AM GMT
    StudlyScrewRite said
    smartmoney saidNo such thing as SAD. If you think you have SAD, you have too much money and not enough charity in your life. Send 5 thousand dollars to any friend in New Jersey or Staten Island right now and then spend the next week bragging about it on the internet and to your friends, you will get over your SADness right away.


    Oh, really?!?
    Are you a psychologist?
    Psychiatrist?
    PHD?
    MD?
    No? Then what do you know about it? icon_rolleyes.gif

    Stop being flippant about things you know nothing about. icon_neutral.gif


    I was diagnosed with SAD almost 20 years ago. I used to use a light-box, but lost it in a move (it was destroyed) and found you could buy a full spectrum standard-base light bulb and get the same effect sitting under it while watching TV or reading. Less $$$ and not a big bulky box sitting around 90% of the time unused.
    Also, from October thru March I go to a tanning bed (15 mins, 2 days a week) and it invigorates me along with the lamp.
    Hope that helps!
    As to your crushing depression, I sense something in addition to SAD you should seek professional help with, not on here or WebMD!



    Lol, honestly i don't think i've ever gone near WebMD. I have a hypochondriac aunt and that's enough to keep me away from it. I had therapy for many, MANY years and I know I don't have clinical depression so no use medicating. I have things in my life that are depressing, its as simple as that. And until I do something about them they'll keep affecting me icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Nov 16, 2012 7:30 PM GMT
    Smartmoney: And just how much personal experience do you have dealing with starving people?


    That's what I thought.


    Gasbag.
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    Nov 18, 2012 4:58 AM GMT
    Move to areas or states that do NOT change to/from Daylight Saving Time..

    Realize that TRUE SAD is not tied to temperatures directly, but to incoming solar radiation that the skin and eyes react to and then trigger additional hormonal reactions.....like production of vitamin D and Serotonin...

    I SUFFER FROM SAD and have researched it and talked with some of the biggest specialists in the world about SAD(Norman E. Rosenthal, M.D). It is the strength of the incoming solar radiation..In winter....low incoming solar radiation and more clouds and uncomfortable weather keeps people inside and deprived of the little natural incoming solar radiation, in the summer...LOTS of HIGH levels and for LONG times.... I the NOLA area your season should be short and really mild....maybe from mid November to early February. In SOF/ STX/HI....days are longer/more daylight fewer clouds all year, so minimal or no SAD.....Likewise in VERY HIGH....mountains , above 15000 or 18000 ft there is enough incoming solar radiation that is not being screened out by the atmosphere and cloud cover that...it would be similar to or even STRONGER than SOFL/STX/HI......but little air to breath and hard to stay.....
    So get a full spectrum light box, exercise, go outside anyway on cold cloudy days, eat well NO ALCOHOL keep HYDRATED, try St Johns Wort....or any "anti-depressants" known as an SSRI.... GOOGLE SAD and Norman E. Rosenthal, M.D
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    Nov 18, 2012 5:11 AM GMT
    I had SAD when I lived in Germany. The days tend to be really short, and the weather was bad enough that I didn't want to get out.

    I learned that exposure to the sun is what matters. It doesn't really matter how long your days are, make sure you get exposure during the middle of the day. Never spend a whole day indoors, and try to take all your breaks outside, come rain or shine.

    The more of your skin is involved in absorbing, the better. Ideally, you would have lunch at the nude beach every day. Just planting an idea in your head... icon_wink.gif
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    Nov 18, 2012 5:36 AM GMT
    themachine saidI had SAD when I lived in Germany. The days tend to be really short, and the weather was bad enough that I didn't want to get out.

    I learned that exposure to the sun is what matters. It doesn't really matter how long your days are, make sure you get exposure during the middle of the day. Never spend a whole day indoors, and try to take all your breaks outside, come rain or shine.

    The more of your skin is involved in absorbing, the better. Ideally, you would have lunch at the nude beach every day. Just planting an idea in your head... icon_wink.gif



    i'm sure that would be wonderful. unfortunately it actually does get very cold down here in the winter so i'm afraid i might put someone's eye out if i took off my shirt. I try and take the hood down on the car as much as possible, though usually i'm only out in daylight early in the morning, when i very much do NOT want 55* wind rushing through my still-damp hair, lol.



    To address Sporty's point though, I was formally diagnosed years ago and told that light therapy was the best option for my particular case (compounded with normal depression caused by past and ongoing issues in my life). At the time my mum wouldn't let me do the light therapy and just had them give me more pills. Now though i'm seriously considering the box since i have my own finances. Unfortunately it may have to wait until next year. I'm a bit short at the moment icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Nov 18, 2012 5:40 AM GMT
    People are making shit too complicated, and then that makes them even more depressed.

    Yeah, people have lower moods in winter and during cloudy weather, just deal with it. Life is never going to be a rose in full bloom
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    Nov 18, 2012 5:43 AM GMT
    timshel saidPeople are making shit too complicated, and then that makes them even more depressed.

    Yeah, people have lower moods in winter and during cloudy weather, just deal with it. Life is never going to be a rose in full bloom


    bite me you metalbrained moron
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    Nov 18, 2012 5:51 AM GMT
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    timshel saidPeople are making shit too complicated, and then that makes them even more depressed.

    Yeah, people have lower moods in winter and during cloudy weather, just deal with it. Life is never going to be a rose in full bloom


    bite me you metalbrained moron


    This reminds me of the Ricky Gervais stand up skit when he was talking about "M.E." "Suki, go to the well..." "I can't.. M.E.!"

    Oh, look, SAD, they have even created a cute acronymn for it. That makes it easier for the drug companies to sell their dope to you.

    You're worrying way too much. Give it up. I went through depression and I counseled people who were suffering from it. You make it much worse when you feed into it.
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    Nov 18, 2012 6:02 AM GMT
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    timshel saidPeople are making shit too complicated, and then that makes them even more depressed.

    Yeah, people have lower moods in winter and during cloudy weather, just deal with it. Life is never going to be a rose in full bloom


    bite me you metalbrained moron


    This reminds me of the Ricky Gervais stand up skit when he was talking about "M.E." "Suki, go to the well..." "I can't.. M.E.!"

    Oh, look, SAD, they have even created a cute acronymn for it. That makes it easier for the drug companies to sell their dope to you.

    You're worrying way too much. Give it up. I went through depression and I counseled people who were suffering from it. You make it much worse when you feed into it.


    okay, so the blunt instrument approach didn't work. Lets try the really-big-blunt-instrument approach then.

    If you'd really counseled people with depression or, for that matter, were a licensed psychologist, you would know that making a snap diagnosis based on what some random person you've never met wrote in a paragraph or two online is quite possible one of the stupidest things you could do and could have cost you your medical license were you to have one, which i highly doubt.

    Furthermore you obviously have no idea what you are doing and i pity any depressed person who had to suffer through your self-important nonsensical remarks. Any idiot with a shred of common sense would know that the best way to hand someone with acute depression is to definitely NOT insult them. What kind of moron are you? that you think you can go around giving people advice that could potentially make an unstable person even worse? Do you realize that if you told that to someone on suicide watch you could've put them over the edge? "Oh yes, look at me with all the answers. Your problems? They're nothing, get over them. No i don't care what actually happened to you or made you this upset, it can't have been that bad so why don't you just suck it up and be a man?"

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    Nov 18, 2012 6:11 AM GMT
    Does music help? Songs that make you think of sunny days or outdoors?

    Typically I sit in the car for an hour or so in the winter to get sunlight. Do a crossword puzzle or something.
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    Nov 18, 2012 6:20 AM GMT
    wrestlervic saidDoes music help? Songs that make you think of sunny days or outdoors?

    Typically I sit in the car for an hour or so in the winter to get sunlight. Do a crossword puzzle or something.


    oh i worked out how to survive it a long time ago. I'm just thinking its about time i took it head on and tried to do away with it. I hope to have it eradicated or at least tightly managed by next winter. the homebody sadness i can manage (hell, i've been doing it for 15-20 years now), what's unacceptable is it affecting my schoolwork or my job.

    (and i drive a convertible icon_wink.gif )
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    Nov 18, 2012 6:29 AM GMT
    SAD is not an "illness," so there is nothing to "diagnose." If you have cancer in Canada, moving to Louisiana is not going to cure it. If you have SAD in Canada, moving to Louisiana can 'cure' it. It is environmental, not biological. Change your environment.
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    Nov 18, 2012 6:32 AM GMT
    JJWW saidSAD is not an "illness," so there is nothing to "diagnose." If you have cancer in Canada, moving to Louisiana is not going to cure it. If you have SAD in Canada, moving to Louisiana can 'cure' it. It is environmental, not biological. Change your environment.



    ummm...dumbass...i already live in Louisiana. And moving isn't in the cards right now.
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    Nov 18, 2012 6:42 AM GMT
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    JJWW saidSAD is not an "illness," so there is nothing to "diagnose." If you have cancer in Canada, moving to Louisiana is not going to cure it. If you have SAD in Canada, moving to Louisiana can 'cure' it. It is environmental, not biological. Change your environment.



    ummm...dumbass...i already live in Louisiana. And moving isn't in the cards right now.


    Environment doesn't have to mean physical location: change what is around you, how you interact with the world around you, your diet, routine, behaviours, activities, etc. Your social environment is far more important than your physical environment.
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    Nov 18, 2012 8:12 PM GMT
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    RoadsterRacer87 said
    JJWW saidSAD is not an "illness," so there is nothing to "diagnose." If you have cancer in Canada, moving to Louisiana is not going to cure it. If you have SAD in Canada, moving to Louisiana can 'cure' it. It is environmental, not biological. Change your environment.



    ummm...dumbass...i already live in Louisiana. And moving isn't in the cards right now.


    Environment doesn't have to mean physical location: change what is around you, how you interact with the world around you, your diet, routine, behaviours, activities, etc. Your social environment is far more important than your physical environment.

    Or...just shut up and quit whining already. What is it with you babies? Are you constantly in search of some new illness? What hog shit.
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    Nov 18, 2012 8:30 PM GMT
    My sleep cycle goes crazy around this time of year. My doc recommended this supplement called Melatonin. Might help for your SAD too. Have you had your vitamin D level checked? Maybe you're deficient.
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    Nov 19, 2012 2:13 PM GMT
    You know, I have never used the 'ignore' feature even on people whom I politically disagree with completely, but the two smartass, flippant and ignorant ones posting on here have my finger hovering over the button even now...they show a serious lack of compassion for fellow man and an overbearing admiration of their own intellect.
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    Nov 19, 2012 2:57 PM GMT
    StudlyScrewRite said You know, I have never used the 'ignore' feature even on people whom I politically disagree with completely, but the two smartass, flippant and ignorant ones posting on here have my finger hovering over the button even now...they show a serious lack of compassion for fellow man and an overbearing admiration of their own intellect.


    i already ignored both of them. When people act like that its a nice little window on how they treat people in general.