Another homophobe in pro sports exposed...

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    Nov 27, 2012 3:38 PM GMT
    kt8320 saidThis time its a rookie member of the Cleveland Browns. I think this warrents a suspension and fine to be donated to LGBT causes.

    http://outsports.com/jocktalkblog/2012/11/26/cleveland-browns-linebacker-tank-carder-tweets-faggot-doesnt-agree-with-being-gay/

    It'll be interesting to see the NFL and Cleveland Browns reaction...


    Suspension? Sure. But I'm not interested in coerced apologies or forced charitable donations. They're empty gestures that serve PR purposes only.
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    Nov 27, 2012 3:41 PM GMT
    squash1212 saidFor who's asking "what bubble" i grew up in, none? Looking at some of the ages of people who have been responding there is over a 15 year gap between us. Words have different meanings for different generations, and is it really that bizarre that faggot would have a different meaning for me growing up, then it did for you 10, 15, 20 years ago?


    Really? It's a generational thing? Then why is that the word not just hurled sometimes, but every time without fail when a gay hate crime against a gay male occurs? Why is that the word always spray painted on a gay couple's house or car, even today, when someone doesn't want them in the neighborhood? There is a history of hate behind the word "faggot" and it is still with us today.

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    Nov 27, 2012 3:56 PM GMT
    xrichx saidI wouldn't say he's homophobic. He's just really immature and inarticulate.

    This. I could care less what these moronic neanderthals have to say. Really you PC sissies need to get your priorities in order.
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    Nov 27, 2012 4:15 PM GMT
    The moronic Neanderthal that has impressionable people following him does not get a "PC pass" when he uses his soapbox to issue invectives to others, then doubles-down on it by using homophobia.

    This particular moronic Neanderthal was apparently raised in an environment where it's okay to call people f@ggot that you don't like... then double-down with unnecessary knee-jerk homophobia while trying to distance yourself when it's suddenly not okay.

    This moronic Neanderthal was not aware that it's possible to go through life somehow immature and inarticulate without being a homophobe. At least not yesterday. He does today. And we can thank the "PC sissies" for that.

    This moronic Neanderthal will not get to influence more moronic Neanderthals with his free expression. And we can all thank the equally-free expressions of the "PC sissies" for that.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Nov 27, 2012 4:20 PM GMT
    We can hope that somehow he might think next time... but what it does is gradually show others how behavior like this is considered increasingly
    unacceptable.

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    Nov 27, 2012 4:29 PM GMT
    When will this twitter stuff just go away.
    It very quickly exposes people as absolute idiots.

    He uses a word and then says it doesn't "mean" anything. Like hell - and he knows it means something. He also knows that it's an offensive word.

    But, a quick apology tweet and he's all good. Says it doesn't "define" him - bullshit. It does define him. He's an insensitive asshole. Oh, and he doesn't agree with "gay" and "lesbian" - so, who asked him to agree or not - it's not something that we need his agreement on. I don't agree with him being an insensitive asshole - but he still is one.

    Yup, he's young and immature - but I hope to hell he learns that he needs to think twice and speak once (or tweet once, or better yet, never) next time.
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    Nov 27, 2012 4:30 PM GMT
    And every once in awhile, with a little effort from the so-called "PC Sissies," a moronic homophobic Neanderthal can turn into this:

    http://www.elpasotimes.com/news/ci_18714224
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    Nov 27, 2012 4:31 PM GMT
    If you have to call someone a name to win an argument, you've already lost.
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    Nov 27, 2012 4:37 PM GMT
    [url]https://twitter.com/search?q=unfollow%20faggot[/url]

    [url]https://twitter.com/search?q=unfollow%20fag[/url]

    [url]https://twitter.com/search?q=unfollowing%20fag[/url]

    [url]https://twitter.com/search?q=unfollowing%20faggot[/url]

    If you're a paid 'professional' athlete and you can't discern your comments from a lot of these, you're doing it wrong.
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    Nov 27, 2012 4:46 PM GMT
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    Mikey: Get big and strong and hate things we don't understand?
    Tank: [ruffles hair] That right son.
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    Tank: Fuck you, kid.


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  • roadbikeRob

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    Nov 27, 2012 5:05 PM GMT
    msuNtx saidHe is from Texas icon_cry.gif
    That explains his ignorance and homophobia. He is from the reddest, most republican state in the US. Like most other Texans, his homophobic comments are most likely based on ancient fairy tales from the holy bible. Go figure.
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    Nov 27, 2012 5:23 PM GMT
    tyler_helm saidWhy does anyone care about a nobody football player. Worse things happen every day.

    Professional sports don't require too much intelligence or Savoir faire. As a society we need create hero's that are worthy of the praise and reponsability.


    Yeah, like Chris Kluwe and Brendon Ayanbadejo! Oh, wait...

    Also, I'm surprised no one has said this yet, but you know who else is a Linebacker for the Cleveland Browns currently?

    This "nobody football player":

    http://outsports.com/jocktalkblog/2011/12/07/nfl-linebacker-scott-fujita-films-video-promoting-gay-marriage/
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    Nov 27, 2012 5:29 PM GMT
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    tyler_helm saidWhy does anyone care about a nobody football player. Worse things happen every day.

    Professional sports don't require too much intelligence or Savoir faire. As a society we need create hero's that are worthy of the praise and reponsability.


    Yeah, like Chris Kluwe and Brendon Ayanbadejo! Oh, wait...

    Also, I'm surprised no one has said this yet, but you know who else is a Linebacker for the Cleveland Browns currently?

    This "nobody football player":

    http://outsports.com/jocktalkblog/2011/12/07/nfl-linebacker-scott-fujita-films-video-promoting-gay-marriage/


    These things make guys Like Scott worthy to be a role model. The mere fact that you are a professional athlete doesn't qualify you for "role model" status. Being a Professional Athlete and using that position to make the world a better place, that makes you a role model
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    Nov 27, 2012 6:06 PM GMT
    So...none of you guys have ever used a derogatory term? Ever? And you've never ever uttered the word "fag"?

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    Nov 27, 2012 6:12 PM GMT
    ^^ And THAT'S what makes it okay, kids! After all, someone somewhere must have said it, right?

    The real question is, for those that have ever uttered the word for whatever reason, when you were called out and straightened out for it being wrong, did you double-down with, "I don't agree with being gay or lesbian at all," as our apparently concussed Linebacker did? Or did you eventually wisen up, understand it was wrong, and act accordingly?
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    Nov 27, 2012 6:14 PM GMT
    Scruffypup saidSo...none of you guys have ever used a derogatory term? Ever? And you've never ever uttered the word "fag"?

    Right..... icon_rolleyes.gif


    I've said fag, but I've never (and I mean never ever) said any other similar derogatory term aimed at a group of which I'm not a part. I know you know the difference. You're not stupid.
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    Nov 27, 2012 6:19 PM GMT
    I admit that I have previously used the term "fag" a few times. Since I am of half Polish and half German ancestry, I have used slander terms for both Germans and Poles. Does that make it right, obviously no. But there are just those odd times when I got angry and those terms were just used. Hey nobody is perfect. We all have our faults.
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    Nov 27, 2012 6:21 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidI admit that I have previously used the term "fag" a few times. Since I am of half Polish and half German ancestry, I have used slander terms for both Germans and Poles. Does that make it right, obviously no. But there are just those odd times when I got angry and those terms were just used. Hey nobody is perfect. We all have our faults.


    And the important thing is, you came to realize it was wrong, and that informs your means of managing anger henceforth. "Those odd times" will come again. You know you have much better arrows in your quiver to deal with them now.
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    Nov 27, 2012 6:25 PM GMT
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    tyler_helm saidWhy does anyone care about a nobody football player. Worse things happen every day.

    Professional sports don't require too much intelligence or Savoir faire. As a society we need create hero's that are worthy of the praise and reponsability.


    Yeah, like Chris Kluwe and Brendon Ayanbadejo! Oh, wait...

    Also, I'm surprised no one has said this yet, but you know who else is a Linebacker for the Cleveland Browns currently?

    This "nobody football player":

    http://outsports.com/jocktalkblog/2011/12/07/nfl-linebacker-scott-fujita-films-video-promoting-gay-marriage/


    These things make guys Like Scott worthy to be a role model. The mere fact that you are a professional athlete doesn't qualify you for "role model" status. Being a Professional Athlete and using that position to make the world a better place, that makes you a role model


    Totally.

    I think Fujita and the rookie being teammates will eventually work out the same way I expect it will for Matt Birk with Ayanbadejo's help.
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    Nov 27, 2012 8:46 PM GMT
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    Scruffypup saidSo...none of you guys have ever used a derogatory term? Ever? And you've never ever uttered the word "fag"?

    Right..... icon_rolleyes.gif


    I've said fag, but I've never (and I mean never ever) said any other similar derogatory term aimed at a group of which I'm not a part. I know you know the difference. You're not stupid.



    Yes, I know the difference. But I'm also not stupid enough to assume that every time that word exits a straight person's mouth, that it's automatically said with malice. People forget that the vast majority of people are horribly caught up in the "monkey see, monkey do" syndrome. I hear people say "that's so gay" all the time, and it makes me cringe because I know that it carries an implied negative message that they usually don't even think about. When I hear a person use the word "fag" or the expression "that's so gay", I always butt in and let them know that I'm gay and I find it offensive. And I think one on one is the best way to handle these things. I have straight friends that once in a blue moon might call me "fag", but I actually find it (dare I say....heart warming), that we have such a tight relationship that we can joke around like that and no one gets offended. Words are impotent without the consideration of intent.

    Worth repeating: Words are impotent without the consideration of intent.
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    Nov 27, 2012 8:54 PM GMT
    And worth repeating: the intent in this case was potent enough to cause a reaction. (And his reaction to that further justified the initial reaction he received).

    Tweeting an insult within tweetshot of your hundreds (thousands? I dunno) of followers is not the same scenario as the "heart-warming" feeling you get around your straight buds every "blue moon."

    We're trying to project the invective-throwing in our own lives, however playful, onto what happened here, and it doesn't fit.
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    Nov 27, 2012 8:54 PM GMT
    tmac saidI do agree that people only have as much power as you let them.

    Although confronting these people are a noble gesture, unless you can do it without getting defensive it just seems you're giving these people a weak spot to push whenever they feel like


    Right, Hitler's power -- which began with vile, anti-Jewish words and preceded to you know where -- was all predicated on the Jews "letting him." Hahahaha.

    Who cares about button-pushing as long as they're confronted? Was that MLK's argument. Let's confront these nigger-haters, but let's make sure we don't get all defensive lest we look bad?

    Too many gay people are dangerously naive, but I suppose that's a sign of progress. Many people are so clueless and comfortable they can afford to be ho-hum about hate. I still wish they would go prance and dance somewhere and leave the heavy lifting to the rest of us.
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    Nov 27, 2012 8:58 PM GMT
    showme said
    Scruffypup saidSo...none of you guys have ever used a derogatory term? Ever? And you've never ever uttered the word "fag"?

    Right..... icon_rolleyes.gif


    I've said fag, but I've never (and I mean never ever) said any other similar derogatory term aimed at a group of which I'm not a part. I know you know the difference. You're not stupid.


    You sure about that?
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    Nov 28, 2012 10:31 PM GMT
    I'll just have to take Vincent's words for it that Tank's words "do not represent the culture of TCU." (Maybe the 'U' part > the 'T' and the 'C'?)

    http://www.examiner.com/article/former-tcu-football-player-lets-tank-carder-know-the-impact-of-the-word-faggot

    Vincent Pryor (for Outsports)Dear Tank Carder,

    I was surprised and disappointed to read about the anti-gay remarks you made on Twitter. As an alumnus of TCU and a former football player, I know from my own experience that your words do not represent the culture of TCU. However, I am disappointed in the lack of understanding you’ve shown in the effect your words can have on young athletes who consider you a role model.

    As a public figure and a representative of both TCU and the NFL, your words have power, especially for young athletes who happen to be gay. When I was an athlete at TCU, I lived in fear for many years over what would happen if my coaches or teammates learned that I was gay.

    I feared that I would be kicked off the team or that my scholarship would be taken away and that my family would be embarrassed and ashamed. As a result, I hid in the background and didn’t play to my full potential because I was concerned that any attention I drew to myself would lead to further questions about my personal life and to rumors or ridicule that would ultimately have me removed from the team.

    These fears led me to consider suicide on a number of occasions and it was only through the support of a few close friends that I developed the courage to tell my coaches and teammates that I was gay, just before the last game of my senior year. To my surprise, nearly all of my coaches and teammates supported me. In that final game on Nov. 25, 1994, with a share of the conference championship on the line, I felt free for the first time and I had the best game of my college career. With nothing to fear, I played to my full potential and had a record number of sacks (4 ½), helping my team earn a share of the conference championship and the opportunity to play in a bowl game for the first time in 10 years.

    While this story may not seem relevant to you, it is. The reason I stayed in the closet was because of fear. I feared that there was nothing worse that could happen to me than other people finding out I was gay. I feared that if anyone found out that I was gay, I would lose everything. When you call someone a faggot, it isn’t “just a word.” It is a degrading term that implies there is something wrong with being gay. It implies disgust in something you don’t want to be associated with. And ultimately, it pushes every young athlete who may be struggling with their identity further into the closet, where they are surrounded by their fears and insecurities.

    When you call someone a faggot, you reinforce all of the fears that I struggled with and other young gay athletes struggle with to this day. They will think that your views represent their teammates’ views and they will stay hidden and never realize their full potential as an athlete. Although it may be hard for you to understand, this kind of fear and isolation can be devastating, as it was for me for many years.

    I was in the stands at the Rose Bowl game in 2011 when you were named defensive player of the game and helped to seal the victory for the Horned Frogs over Wisconsin, and I admire you as an athlete. But I hope you can come to understand the impact that your words can have on those who look up to you and the fear and pain your words cause.

    Everyone who plays sports should be able to play without fear that their identity will affect how others view them as an athlete. I was fortunate to have that chance in the last game of my career. However, until you and others understand the fear and pain your words cause, there will continue to be many young gay athletes who never have that chance.

    Sincerely,
    Vincent Pryor
    TCU Class of 1995
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    Nov 30, 2012 4:07 AM GMT
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    tmac saidI do agree that people only have as much power as you let them.

    Although confronting these people are a noble gesture, unless you can do it without getting defensive it just seems you're giving these people a weak spot to push whenever they feel like


    Right, Hitler's power -- which began with vile, anti-Jewish words and preceded to you know where -- was all predicated on the Jews "letting him." Hahahaha.

    Who cares about button-pushing as long as they're confronted? Was that MLK's argument. Let's confront these nigger-haters, but let's make sure we don't get all defensive lest we look bad?

    Too many gay people are dangerously naive, but I suppose that's a sign of progress. Many people are so clueless and comfortable they can afford to be ho-hum about hate. I still wish they would go prance and dance somewhere and leave the heavy lifting to the rest of us.


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