Another homophobe in pro sports exposed...

  • AllAmericanJo...

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    Nov 30, 2012 8:35 AM GMT
    tmac said
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    tmac saidI do agree that people only have as much power as you let them.

    Although confronting these people are a noble gesture, unless you can do it without getting defensive it just seems you're giving these people a weak spot to push whenever they feel like


    Right, Hitler's power -- which began with vile, anti-Jewish words and preceded to you know where -- was all predicated on the Jews "letting him." Hahahaha.

    Who cares about button-pushing as long as they're confronted? Was that MLK's argument. Let's confront these nigger-haters, but let's make sure we don't get all defensive lest we look bad?

    Too many gay people are dangerously naive, but I suppose that's a sign of progress. Many people are so clueless and comfortable they can afford to be ho-hum about hate. I still wish they would go prance and dance somewhere and leave the heavy lifting to the rest of us.


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    Nov 30, 2012 12:49 PM GMT
    Trollileo saidWho?



    It's not important. Just start screaming and freaking out and you'll fit right in here.
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    Nov 30, 2012 12:56 PM GMT
    I'm a huge Browns fan but I have never really heard of this guy before.

    Well I don't think he is a homophobe. Just immature and stupid.
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    Nov 30, 2012 1:38 PM GMT
    The states with the highest number of anti gay and racist tweets and forum comments tend to also be the states with the lowest education, funding and graduation rates. They also tend to be Republican states (which was unearthed through this year's elections.) I'd be willing to bet that this guy is from one of those states. I moved to Texas from the DC area and the difference in how people think is... wow.... Stay in school.
  • MikeW

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    Nov 30, 2012 1:42 PM GMT
    jeffster saidI'm a huge Browns fan but I have never really heard of this guy before.

    Well I don't think he is a homophobe. Just immature and stupid.

    So, being a homophobe isn't being immature and stupid?
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    Nov 30, 2012 1:44 PM GMT
    well hey who cares what he thinks....hes not paying my bills or giving me shelter so he can be anti gay as much as he wants. Gay people should not care in general as last time i checked you cant force someone to like your lifestyle...so who cares if hes a homophobe.
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    Nov 30, 2012 5:09 PM GMT
    kt8320 saidThis time its a rookie member of the Cleveland Browns. I think this warrents a suspension and fine to be donated to LGBT causes.

    http://outsports.com/jocktalkblog/2012/11/26/cleveland-browns-linebacker-tank-carder-tweets-faggot-doesnt-agree-with-being-gay/

    It'll be interesting to see the NFL and Cleveland Browns reaction...


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    Nov 30, 2012 5:29 PM GMT
    tereseus1 saidyou cant force someone to like your lifestyle....


    Leaving aside the fact that's it's an innate orientation, not a lifestyle, ok, true.

    tereseus1 saidwell hey who cares what he thinks....hes not paying my bills or giving me shelter so he can be anti gay as much as he wants. Gay people should not care in general ... who cares if hes a homophobe.


    Proving that gay guys can be just as moronic as anyone else.
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    Nov 30, 2012 7:30 PM GMT
    tereseus1 saidwell hey who cares what he thinks....hes not paying my bills or giving me shelter so he can be anti gay as much as he wants. Gay people should not care in general as last time i checked you cant force someone to like your lifestyle...so who cares if hes a homophobe.


    Oh Lord.

    A gay guy who 1) minimizes and excuses hatred and 2) describes homosexuality as a lifestyle.

    Don't look now, but you have been brainwashed by homophobes to hate yourself and defend their hatred. Get your mind right dude.
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    Nov 30, 2012 7:34 PM GMT
    jeffster saidWell I don't think he is a homophobe. Just immature and stupid.


    He called someone a faggot then said "I don't agree with being gay or lesbian at all"...And you don't think he's a homophobe.

    Why black people have civil rights and gay people don't. When someone says "That's nigger stuff" followed immediately by "I don't agree with being black at all" black people at least have enough self-worth to recognize this as racism.

    Gay guys really need to get their shit together in terms of self-worth.
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    Nov 30, 2012 8:12 PM GMT
    tereseus1 saidwell hey who cares what he thinks....hes not paying my bills or giving me shelter so he can be anti gay as much as he wants. Gay people should not care in general as last time i checked you cant force someone to like your lifestyle...so who cares if hes a homophobe.


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    Dec 01, 2012 12:48 PM GMT
    "TroyAthlete said:

    If a non-black NFL player were to tweet "your a nigger for that" and "I don't agree with being black at all" do you think any self-respecting black person in America would be saying "ohhhhh, guys, we should just ignore him, let's not give him power."

    .......There's a reason racism is so rampant on the anonymous internet: racists are so marginalized that they can only be heroes behind a computer screen. They are afraid to be racist anywhere else (rightly so). They've been driven into their mothers' basements, where they belong.

    Contrast that with the gay community, which inspires no fear in homophobes precisely because of the "let's not rock the boat with our straight masters" attitude. Pathetic. Respect is earned not given. Until the gay community learns to respect itself by standing up for itself instead of regurgitating this "faggot" kumbya crap, our freedom and equality is going to remain under threat.

    And that's why bigotry needs to be not coddled but loudly and mercilessly confronted. Anybody who thinks that homophobia is going to end by ignoring it is hopelessly naive.
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    WHEW !!!! Awesome post ..... Read and Believe my brothers. This man speaks the truth.
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    Dec 01, 2012 1:03 PM GMT
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    tmac saidI do agree that people only have as much power as you let them.

    Although confronting these people are a noble gesture, unless you can do it without getting defensive it just seems you're giving these people a weak spot to push whenever they feel like


    Right, Hitler's power -- which began with vile, anti-Jewish words and preceded to you know where -- was all predicated on the Jews "letting him." Hahahaha.

    Who cares about button-pushing as long as they're confronted? Was that MLK's argument. Let's confront these nigger-haters, but let's make sure we don't get all defensive lest we look bad?

    Too many gay people are dangerously naive, but I suppose that's a sign of progress. Many people are so clueless and comfortable they can afford to be ho-hum about hate. I still wish they would go prance and dance somewhere and leave the heavy lifting to the rest of us.


    you're entitled to your opinion, If your way works for you then go for it.

    that's what America is about. the freedom to agree to disagree icon_biggrin.gif


    Thanks, Captain Obvious.


    So what have you gained? are these homophobes really afraid to approach you or speak in your presence?

    like i said, I could care less about what anyone says about me, words do not threaten me. but I would never let someone physically harm me homophobe or not..

    if my friends say fag or w.e i just say "that's not cool bro" and that's the end of that. as least while im around lol.

    my point is, if people can push your buttons and get a rise out of you just for saying a word. THEY have power over YOU. screaming, cursing, threatening them wont really mean anything. because if they wanted to get under your skin they'd know what to say.

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    Dec 01, 2012 8:43 PM GMT
    The problem is... Would you risk letting someone's words harm someone else, even if they don't harm you in particular? Or would you make sure someone in a position of authority/influence, if not you directly, responds to it?

    There's no "It Gets Better If You Just Ignore Them" program for a reason.
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    Dec 01, 2012 9:29 PM GMT
    tmac saidSo what have you gained? are these homophobes really afraid to approach you or speak in your presence?

    like i said, I could care less about what anyone says about me, words do not threaten me. but I would never let someone physically harm me homophobe or not..

    if my friends say fag or w.e i just say "that's not cool bro" and that's the end of that. as least while im around lol.

    my point is, if people can push your buttons and get a rise out of you just for saying a word. THEY have power over YOU. screaming, cursing, threatening them wont really mean anything. because if they wanted to get under your skin they'd know what to say.



    In fact, people DO know better than to speak that bullshit in my presence. It's easy to tell when meeting me that I am proooooobably not the one toward whom you want to be using "faggot" and "nigger" as a derogatory weapon. I can issue an almost 99.9% guarantee that anyone who did to my face would not be saying it twice. The other .01% would be in for reconstructive surgery.

    But my "personal gain" pecadilloes are more. It's not about me. 1) In an age wherein young gays are killing themselves due to bullying, it's important that gay adults role model that verbal terrorism is not to be minimized, ignored, or tolerated especially when we are are on the verge of full equality. This is not the time to cede ground on offense and start playing prevent defense. 2) More importantly, confrontibg hatred is just the right thing to do, period. From that moral standpoint, who cares about gains and losses?

    If someone punches you do you just say "that's not cool bro" lest they think they got a rise out of you? If someone steals your care do you just say "that's not cool bro" less they think they can push your buttons? Silly. Actions need to have consequences.

    Newflash: If you refuse to stand up for yourself against hate to show that THEY cannot get a rise out of you, guess what? THEY are still controlling your behavior. They are forcing you not to do what's right and tolerate the intolerable just to put up some weak sauce from about how cool, collected, and superior you allegedly are -- when in fact you are just disrespecting yourself and showing how weak and gutless you are.

    Thank goodness the Civil Rights Movement was not run by homos. "Guys, guys, let's just continue to sit in the back of the bus: we don't want these rednecks to think they can get a rise out of us niggers." What?
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    Dec 02, 2012 12:43 AM GMT
    We are on the precipice of things really getting better. 51% public approval for gay marriage and growing very fast.

    This is no time for taking it easy on the boys will be bigoted boys crowd.

    Call the bigots on their shit and accept nothing but complete respect.

    As others here have said come out of the closet and drive the bigots into their own.
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    Dec 02, 2012 3:04 AM GMT
    dayumm saidThe problem is... Would you risk letting someone's words harm someone else, even if they don't harm you in particular? Or would you make sure someone in a position of authority/influence, if not you directly, responds to it?

    There's no "It Gets Better If You Just Ignore Them" program for a reason.


    Unfortunately words hurt and some people won't be able to handle it. I believe those who commit suicide do so because they didn't feel that they were worthy of living. I think its MORE important to focus on the ones affected than the people causing the trigger

    I'm trying to stress that. Its not what people say its how you respond to it.

    Especially in todays world where people are being more nasty with the safety behind a screename its important to have that

    At the same time I always stepped in and defended someone who was in physical danger because I believe that's More of a threat than someone talking nonsense. I rather just grab that person and remove them from the verbal abuse and try to instill them with a more positive thought lol

    Its no use talking to troy though. That guy loves to argue it seems lol
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    Dec 02, 2012 3:44 AM GMT
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    tmac saidSo what have you gained? are these homophobes really afraid to approach you or speak in your presence?

    like i said, I could care less about what anyone says about me, words do not threaten me. but I would never let someone physically harm me homophobe or not..

    if my friends say fag or w.e i just say "that's not cool bro" and that's the end of that. as least while im around lol.

    my point is, if people can push your buttons and get a rise out of you just for saying a word. THEY have power over YOU. screaming, cursing, threatening them wont really mean anything. because if they wanted to get under your skin they'd know what to say.



    In fact, people DO know better than to speak that bullshit in my presence. It's easy to tell when meeting me that I am proooooobably not the one toward whom you want to be using "faggot" and "nigger" as a derogatory weapon. I can issue an almost 99.9% guarantee that anyone who did to my face would not be saying it twice. The other .01% would be in for reconstructive surgery.



    Can you be anymore hypocritical? You go on and on about how words are a form of violence, and then you turn right around and threaten to attack someone for using a word you don't like. Let's get something straight you fucktard....you do NOT have the authority to go around physically attacking people for using words you don't approve of! I guess you like jail.
  • AllAmericanJo...

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    Dec 02, 2012 7:32 AM GMT
    tmac said

    Its no use talking to troy though. That guy loves to argue it seems lol makes way too much intelligent sense for me to continue to embarrassing myself with lame, weak justifications for tolerating homophobes.


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  • AllAmericanJo...

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    Dec 02, 2012 7:35 AM GMT
    LuckyGuyKC saidCall the bigots on their shit and accept nothing but complete respect.

    As others here have said come out of the closet and drive the bigots into their own.


    Praise God, somebody around here still has balls. Well said, sir.
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    Dec 02, 2012 7:44 AM GMT
    Scruffypup said...and then you turn right around and threaten to attack someone for using a word you don't like. Let's get something straight you fucktard....you do NOT have the authority to go around physically attacking people for using words you don't approve of! I guess you like jail.


    Ha. No, I didn't "threaten to attack someone for using a word I don't like." What I did was promise to make sure that anyone who attacks me with hate slurs never does it again.

    That's like saying the US entered the Gulf in 1991 because Saddam went somewhere we didn't like. There's a difference between "using a word you don't like" and "attacking others with vile hate slurs" just like there's a difference between "going somewhere we don't like" and "invading a sovereign nation."

    It's not at all surprising that you are too stupid to grasp the difference, since you are also too stupid to understand the difference between sexual orientation and race. The one thread that connecting all your posts is your ongoing stupidity, haha.

    Since neither I nor anyone I respect in this space takes you seriously, it might be good for you to know that you do NOT have to authority to tell me what I can and cannot go around doing. I will do what I want, because I really, really don't give a crap what you think. *shrug* Sowwy!
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    Dec 02, 2012 12:23 PM GMT
    TroyAthlete said
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    Its no use talking to troy though. That guy loves to argue it seems lol makes way too much intelligent sense for me to continue to embarrassing myself with lame, weak justifications for tolerating homophobes.


    Fixed it for ya, haha icon_wink.gif


    what are things you do to make sure anyone who attacks you with hate slurs never does so again?

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    Dec 03, 2012 10:34 AM GMT
    They always say " I don't mean the word to be against gays". The reason the word "faggot" is an insult is because it means homosexual. Even if you're not using it toward a gay man, it is still offensive because it derives its status as an insult from the idea that being gay is somehow a bad thing.
  • shutoman

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    Dec 03, 2012 11:22 AM GMT
    Agree with JaxGuy and
    TroyAthletePlease. What a cop out. To begin, no NFL player would ever do such a thing because they knows the wrath of the world would descend upon his head with the force of ten million tsunamis, exactly how it should be. Black people understand that in fighting for civil rights, you need to be loved yet, but with a healthy helping of fear.


    Except I would replace fear with respect. I don't want people hating me but cowed (Machiavelli notwithstanding). I want a world where I am accepted without qualification when I cause no harm to others.

    And allowing use of 'faggot' prevents this. It provides an instant 'dog whistle' word to let homophobia off the leash. Apparently this guy is not actually a Rhodes Scholar; but if he can handle language enough to tweet, he can take the consequences. Arguments like 'It's just a word' and 'I didn't mean to cause offence' don't cut it.

    He knows what he's doing and he must be punished for it as much as the use of any racist term. After all - we all know who he is now, don't we? And most of us hadn't heard him before. If every football player coming up to transfers knew he could raise his profile this way, the air would be thick with the word faggot; and it wouldn't be good news for us. He needs to be - visibly - punished beyond the benefit of the coverage he has raised for himself. I realise, yes, that this will generate further publicity - but the latter might inhibit football players from saying something stupid and homophobic (and they need little encouragement).

    This whole site is dedicated to the proposition that gay men can be, and are, athletes; this language (further) degrades us in the eyes of the sporting establishment. Gay lobbying groups should, calmly but forcefully, press for exemplary penalties.

    After all, previous cases haven't done much to wipe this activity out, have they?
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    Dec 04, 2012 1:27 AM GMT
    shutoman saidApparently this guy is not actually a Rhodes Scholar; but if he can handle language enough to tweet, he can take the consequences. Arguments like 'It's just a word' and 'I didn't mean to cause offence' don't cut it.


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