Another homophobe in pro sports exposed...

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    Dec 04, 2012 4:26 AM GMT
    TroyAthlete said
    Scruffypup said...and then you turn right around and threaten to attack someone for using a word you don't like. Let's get something straight you fucktard....you do NOT have the authority to go around physically attacking people for using words you don't approve of! I guess you like jail.


    Ha. No, I didn't "threaten to attack someone for using a word I don't like." What I did was promise to make sure that anyone who attacks me with hate slurs never does it again.

    That's like saying the US entered the Gulf in 1991 because Saddam went somewhere we didn't like. There's a difference between "using a word you don't like" and "attacking others with vile hate slurs" just like there's a difference between "going somewhere we don't like" and "invading a sovereign nation."

    It's not at all surprising that you are too stupid to grasp the difference, since you are also too stupid to understand the difference between sexual orientation and race. The one thread that connecting all your posts is your ongoing stupidity, haha.

    Since neither I nor anyone I respect in this space takes you seriously, it might be good for you to know that you do NOT have to authority to tell me what I can and cannot go around doing. I will do what I want, because I really, really don't give a crap what you think. *shrug* Sowwy!



    You're equating a random stranger speaking the word "fag" to WAR. Wow.....that's pretty rich, even for you. And you said quite clearly you would physically attack someone who said a word you didn't approve of. It's there in black and white. And I'm not telling you what you can and can't do. That's why we have laws and law enforcement. I'd love to be there the next time you sling your WEHO purse at someone, so I can watch your nasty ass get hauled off to jail.
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    Dec 04, 2012 8:32 AM GMT
    JaxGuy saidThey always say " I don't mean the word to be against gays".


    They are fooling anybody but themselves and a couple of self-loathing g0ys.
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    Dec 04, 2012 1:25 PM GMT
    Scruffypup said, " Worth repeating: Words are impotent without the consideration of intent."

    Did you see this? Tank said, "I don't agree with being gay or lesbian at all."

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    Dec 04, 2012 2:13 PM GMT
    What is interesting here is according to Tank's bio, he's a good guy, who quotes the bible. Specifically:

    Luke 12:48But the one who does not know and does things deserving punishment will be beaten with few blows. From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked.


    This pretty much sums up why he should be held accountable for his actions, if for no other reason than because it is his belief.

    He does not need to support LGBT causes, but he also should not use language that is considered offensive to many on a public forum. He is a professional athlete which means he should behave as a professional out in public. This was not a private conversation at his home.

    Though you may not be personally offended by the use of the word, you should at least recognize that there are many kids out there and some adults that are being bullied and shamed by people using this very same word. I personally am not offended by the word, but I understand that others are and respect that.

    We mold the behaviors of others' when we teach them what they can and cannot get away with. You are complicit in the treatment you receive from others. Either you teach them to treat you with dignity and respect or you get what they feel you deserve.


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    Dec 04, 2012 3:13 PM GMT
    meninlove said Scruffypup said, " Worth repeating: Words are impotent without the consideration of intent."

    Did you see this? Tank said, "I don't agree with being gay or lesbian at all."

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    No I didn't (obviously). I was referring to words in general, (obviously).
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    Dec 04, 2012 5:28 PM GMT
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    dayumm saidThe problem is... Would you risk letting someone's words harm someone else, even if they don't harm you in particular? Or would you make sure someone in a position of authority/influence, if not you directly, responds to it?

    There's no "It Gets Better If You Just Ignore Them" program for a reason.


    Unfortunately words hurt and some people won't be able to handle it. I believe those who commit suicide do so because they didn't feel that they were worthy of living. I think its MORE important to focus on the ones affected than the people causing the trigger

    I'm trying to stress that. Its not what people say its how you respond to it.

    Especially in todays world where people are being more nasty with the safety behind a screename its important to have that

    At the same time I always stepped in and defended someone who was in physical danger because I believe that's More of a threat than someone talking nonsense. I rather just grab that person and remove them from the verbal abuse and try to instill them with a more positive thought lol

    Its no use talking to troy though. That guy loves to argue it seems lol


    I hear what you're saying. It is very important, as a community, to seek out those who might be harmed by the words and misdeeds of others. The whole "It Gets Better" concept grew out of the recognition that, with popular emphasis placed on the "people causing the trigger," as you say, we often overlook the specific individuals who may be harmed.

    I'm suggesting we need to have both: people who address the harmed as well as people who deal with the harmers. Doesn't have to be the same persons. As crude parallels, we need support for victims of DUI AND actions to get the persons who would commit DUI to think twice before doing so... in hopes we'll eventually have fewer and fewer victims needing support. We need people who can comfort Tina AND deal with Ike... so there will be fewer and fewer Tinas needing comfort.

    As for relative scales of importance, I'd say it's a wash. Often the harm done is not necessarily toward merely the direct subject of a physical/verbal assailant, but the witnesses in the vicinity of the harmful action. So we need more than just attention to the perceived harmed individual to address the incident as fully as possible. Depending on the harm, it takes a lot of people and resources to do that.

    Conversely, we're a world of limited people and resources, so people harmed by others' actions often don't get the effects of that harm addressed. It's quite possible that Mr. Carder's tweet wound up in the Twitter roll of impressionable young men/women who you or I will never reach. Not just the F-bomb, but the illogical "I don't believe in people being gay" and "it's just a word" arguments that followed.

    It's not just the target of his displeasure, the individual he unfollowed, that received the message. They very likely reached someone who followed him through high school, TCU, and/or the pros. Someone who knows him from the Texas community where he grew up. Someone who may be a close family member who looks up to him. Someone who he helped as part of his community outreach as an NFL player. Someone who, without anyone taking the time to confront Mr. Carder, can be influenced into believing (no matter what Mr. Barkley pleads about athletes as poor substitutes for role models), that THIS is the way to deal with people, online and maybe even offline.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/04/sports/ncaafootball/04tcu.html

    Imagine Mr. Carder as one of those victims of harm via bullying growing up (as I mentioned earlier, the "Dick Carder" and "Ricky Rick Carder" jokes... the youthful teasing that made fun of his abnormal size as a child... the schoolyard teasing that likely ensued after his crippling near-death injuries from being thrown from a car appeared to derail his youth-championship-level BMX and football dreams). Imagine the choice of words by the people impressing upon him while growing up (parents, preachers, peers, football coaching staff) what it meant to become respected as a man... and what it meant, and sounded like, to very much NOT be respected as one.

    If no one besides Bible-thumping evangelicals and foul-mouthed friends, family, and coaches reached out to help that young Ricky Jr., can we be surprised by the choice of words, logic, and defense mechanisms he reaches for as an adult? At the same time, he's probably thinking subconsciously now, "where were all THESE people to confront MY haters when I was growing up?"

    We may never reach all the individuals who needed to know Tank Carder, in this instance, was in the wrong. But thankfully, we CAN reach Tank Carder.
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    Dec 04, 2012 5:28 PM GMT
    Total Aside: Carder was taken aback and tried to trivialize the intent of his words when the heat came upon him. "It's just a word," he tried to ensure people. Yet his defensiveness was ironic, considering there were "words" he saw from another Twitter person that caused HIM to react so negatively in the first place before unfollowing that person (there's no requirement to try and tell someone off before unfollowing them). What got him in hot water was his reaction to "words." If whatever that individual said were "just words," too, Ricky Jr. needs to ask himself, why did HE react in that manner? And why, then, should he expect no one to respond, in turn, to him?
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    Dec 07, 2012 5:41 AM GMT
    dayumm said If whatever that individual said were "just words," too, Ricky Jr. needs to ask himself, why did HE react in that manner? And why, then, should he expect no one to respond, in turn, to him?


    Because it's only "just words" when the words are directed from bigots to targeted groups, obvi.
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    Dec 09, 2012 11:31 AM GMT
    Scruffypup said I'd love to be there the next time you sling your WEHO purse at someone, so I can watch your nasty ass get hauled off to jail.


    Sorry, but WeHo generally does not welcome ugly, femme-phobic idiots. Your heart would love for you to lose 30 pounds so as to reduce the fat deposits around your brain which might help you to, for once, not sound like a babbling dumbass on this website, but it doesn't look like that's happening either, does it?
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    Dec 09, 2012 3:47 PM GMT
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    Scruffypup said I'd love to be there the next time you sling your WEHO purse at someone, so I can watch your nasty ass get hauled off to jail.


    Sorry, but WeHo generally does not welcome ugly, femme-phobic idiots. Your heart would love for you to lose 30 pounds so as to reduce the fat deposits around your brain which might help you to, for once, not sound like a babbling dumbass on this website, but it doesn't look like that's happening either, does it?



    icon_lol.gif The mere fact that you would consider me "overweight", just confirms my analysis of WEHO "culture" and how you're just another mindless queen drowning in it. Now you run along and worship your Isabelle Caro poster. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Dec 10, 2012 9:31 AM GMT
    Scruffypup said
    icon_lol.gif The mere fact that you would consider me "overweight", just confirms my analysis of WEHO "culture" and how you're just another mindless queen drowning in it. Now you run along and worship your Isabelle Caro poster. icon_rolleyes.gif


    Nobody gives a shit about your continually stupid homophobic claptrap "analysis." You don't have the brain cells to "analyze" anything. I'm not running anywhere, I'll be right here pointing your ugliness inside and out. I don't even know who Isabelle Caro is -- is she one of the people you obviously ate for dinner or is she the woman who sewed your KKK hood for you?
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    Dec 10, 2012 2:15 PM GMT
    Speaking of dinner....you really should wipe the bacon grease from your forehead before you take those after-dinner profile photos. Or is that lube? icon_lol.gif
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    Dec 11, 2012 5:14 AM GMT
    Scruffypup saidSpeaking of dinner....you really should wipe the bacon grease from your forehead before you take those after-dinner profile photos. Or is that lube? icon_lol.gif


    That's what smooth skin looks like; if you would back up from the buffet table and lay off the fatty fried foods, you wouldn't have such a bumpy, pockmarked forehead and you would know that. Or not, given that you could fill the Grand Canyon with things you and your basktball-sized empty head don't know.

    Not at all surprising that your mind defaulted to bacon grease, for obvious reasons, nor that you've forgotten what lube looks like on skin given that you probably haven't gotten laid without paying some poor soon-to-be-traumatized kid for it since 1997, also for obvious reasons. icon_wink.gif