Sometimes I envy straight people

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    RadRTT saidJust to clarify something...do people realize this is technically a message board for gay jocks? Of course people ON HERE are going to want the perfect body...

    Also if you think women don't care about looks.....icon_rolleyes.gif


    I wasn't just talking about on here. I was talking about real life.

    And yes there are shallow women but the grand majority don't seem to be obsessed with just one kind of look. You already know what most gay men want. But women aren't as unified.


    Tell that to every average Straight Guy who has tried to buy a Woman a drink...


    I think that may have less to do with how they look and more how they approach women. I've seen men who look like the love child of Gilbert Godfreid and Steve Buscemi and still pull tang on a regular. Its more of a confidence and smoothness game than a hotness game with some women. If you know how to play the game you'll bee in luck.
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    MashogaNubianPrince saidI wasn't just talking about on here. I was talking about real life.

    And yes there are shallow women but the grand majority don't seem to be obsessed with just one kind of look. You already know what most gay men want. But women aren't as unified.
    Do you seriously think the "grand majority" of women aren't obsessed with just one kind of look? Do you even talk to women about their interests?


    Most of my friends are women and its not all like they all can agree on what they like. Some like buff some don't. Some like bigger guys and some don't. Some are into waifs of men and some aren't. There is a reason why there is no major equivalent to Hooters for women.


    Ever hear of Chippendales???


    But that's more of a special occasion kind of thing and only in select places. There's not gonna be a female equivalent to Hooters on a large national scale because you'd have to have like fifty different rooms to appeal to all the different kinds women like.
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    MashogaNubianPrince saidI think that may have less to do with how they look and more how they approach women. I've seen men who look like the love child of Gilbert Godfreid and Steve Buscemi and still pull tang on a regular. Its more of a confidence and smoothness game than a hotness game with some women. If you know how to play the game you'll bee in luck.
    It's a "confidence and smoothness game" for gay guys too, y'know.
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    Cash saidOP - Yer problem is not with the Gay Community. Your problem is with the VERY tiny amount of life You have experienced.

    You claim to be a writer. If You ever hope to write something interesting You will have to experience MOAR than the local bar and the 40 or 50 people in Your Recent Call List.

    Surely someone who wishes to tell great stories knows that there is a WHOLE WORLD out there to be experienced????

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    When I have a car I get out. I've been around I just don't get out often now because I dont have a car anymore so I stay stuck in where I'm at.
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    Yeah... although I can't imagine myself being straight, and I don't envy them really, I feel... sick sometimes. Uncapable of having a relationship or liking someone. I don't know why. Maybe that perfectionism, idealizing is my disease. Maybe I've never had a good model of a relationship in my life and don't know how to develop attachment. Now I'm thinking, as much pride there is in being gay and all that, life as a straight guy would probably be just easier... But I have no idea if I would be any different in the emotional department. It would be good to split oneself and see how you would lead your life in an another reality and compare...

    I apologize for this post that makes me look like I need psychological help. Just venting a little of what's been going through. I probably should be writing this in a diary but I'm no good with stuff like this icon_twisted.gif
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    RadRTT saidJust to clarify something...do people realize this is technically a message board for gay jocks? Of course people ON HERE are going to want the perfect body...

    Also if you think women don't care about looks.....icon_rolleyes.gif


    I wasn't just talking about on here. I was talking about real life.

    And yes there are shallow women but the grand majority don't seem to be obsessed with just one kind of look. You already know what most gay men want. But women aren't as unified.


    Tell that to every average Straight Guy who has tried to buy a Woman a drink...


    I think that may have less to do with how they look and more how they approach women. I've seen men who look like the love child of Gilbert Godfreid and Steve Buscemi and still pull tang on a regular. Its more of a confidence and smoothness game than a hotness game with some women. If you know how to play the game you'll bee in luck.


    As one of the few Men on here who has had the privelege to meet both of the Men you just mentioned, I can tell you with authority BOTH are quite charming and have MUCH to offer.

    For someone who tries to act like he hates being judged - you are one of the more judgemental guys on RJ.
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    Cash saidOP - Yer problem is not with the Gay Community. Your problem is with the VERY tiny amount of life You have experienced.

    You claim to be a writer. If You ever hope to write something interesting You will have to experience MOAR than the local bar and the 40 or 50 people in Your Recent Call List.

    Surely someone who wishes to tell great stories knows that there is a WHOLE WORLD out there to be experienced????

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    When I have a car I get out. I've been around I just don't get out often now because I dont have a car anymore so I stay stuck in where I'm at.


    Perhaps your next book should be a Book Of Excuses.

    That seems to be your strongsuit....
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    MashogaNubianPrince saidI think that may have less to do with how they look and more how they approach women. I've seen men who look like the love child of Gilbert Godfreid and Steve Buscemi and still pull tang on a regular. Its more of a confidence and smoothness game than a hotness game with some women. If you know how to play the game you'll bee in luck.
    It's a "confidence and smoothness game" for gay guys too, y'know.


    Yes if you look a certain way. I mean I consider myself to be pretty good looking for the most part. I'm no model. But just to get many gay men to even let you try and woo them you gotta look a certain way. Its annoying but I usually don't let it get to me.
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    Cash saidOP - Yer problem is not with the Gay Community. Your problem is with the VERY tiny amount of life You have experienced.

    You claim to be a writer. If You ever hope to write something interesting You will have to experience MOAR than the local bar and the 40 or 50 people in Your Recent Call List.

    Surely someone who wishes to tell great stories knows that there is a WHOLE WORLD out there to be experienced????

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    When I have a car I get out. I've been around I just don't get out often now because I dont have a car anymore so I stay stuck in where I'm at.


    Perhaps your next book should be a Book Of Excuses.

    That seems to be your strongsuit....


    I'm not making excuses I'm just being honest.
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    Dec 02, 2012 7:29 PM GMT
    DEKIRUMAN saidThere are a lot of things at work here. Women respond way more to personality in the absence of perfect abs than men do. I am a total pussie magnet. I wish they made repellent for it.......

    In person I'm a pretty charming guy and I make girls feel good so they respond to me. I was even Mr. CMU in my sophmore year icon_lol.gif. But I have had no such luck with guys because they don't really care that much about your personality if they dont want to stick their dick in you.

    Many of your phyiscal attributes work for you with women but against you with men. It's not really politically correct to say, but chicks digg black men......a lot. Gay men, not so much (unless they have one of those weird BBC fetishes.) I think for getting girls, being black is great, but for getting gays, white is right.

    You're also a big guy, and a lot of women are okay with that because they feel like you wont judge them and will be comfortable with their own body flaws. But if you're gay and you don't have abs, you'd better work on getting some because they are the key to getting a man. I could be the nicest guy in the world with a PHD from MIT, and oscar and a Nobel prize, but if I'm not what they gay community wants physically, I might as well be an stink beetle.


    This is all soo true. I never can get the gay guy at work to be all over me like the women. Of all colors. I do believe my romantic life would be easier if I were straight.
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    RadRTT saidJust to clarify something...do people realize this is technically a message board for gay jocks? Of course people ON HERE are going to want the perfect body...

    Also if you think women don't care about looks.....icon_rolleyes.gif


    I wasn't just talking about on here. I was talking about real life.

    And yes there are shallow women but the grand majority don't seem to be obsessed with just one kind of look. You already know what most gay men want. But women aren't as unified.


    Tell that to every average Straight Guy who has tried to buy a Woman a drink...


    I think that may have less to do with how they look and more how they approach women. I've seen men who look like the love child of Gilbert Godfreid and Steve Buscemi and still pull tang on a regular. Its more of a confidence and smoothness game than a hotness game with some women. If you know how to play the game you'll bee in luck.


    As one of the few Men on here who has had the privelege to meet both of the Men you just mentioned, I can tell you with authority BOTH are quite charming and have MUCH to offer.

    For someone who tries to act like he hates being judged - you are one of the more judgemental guys on RJ.


    I never said they weren't. I was saying though that I met men who are by all accounts physically unattractive and yet still get women. Like I was saying with women its more about mental and emotional attraction and also how you approach it. You're proving my point though.
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    Cash saidOP - Yer problem is not with the Gay Community. Your problem is with the VERY tiny amount of life You have experienced.

    You claim to be a writer. If You ever hope to write something interesting You will have to experience MOAR than the local bar and the 40 or 50 people in Your Recent Call List.

    Surely someone who wishes to tell great stories knows that there is a WHOLE WORLD out there to be experienced????

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    When I have a car I get out. I've been around I just don't get out often now because I dont have a car anymore so I stay stuck in where I'm at.


    Perhaps your next book should be a Book Of Excuses.

    That seems to be your strongsuit....


    I'm not making excuses I'm just being honest.


    NO -- you are looking for sympathy...and justification.

    AND you know it..

    Lets face facts. You are over-weight and not in very good condition.

    You are a good looking Guy.

    But you are putting yourself in a context that is innappropriate.
    And then have the audacity to complain about it.

    AND YOU KNOW IT.


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    Them's the bricks, man. Fact is that we all are looking for different things in a partner, and you can't go around holding grudges just because you aren't the end product of someone's laundry list of must haves. Well, actually you could, but you will be much happier if you don't. Just move on to the next guy.

    Don't be fooled; straight people do the same thing. All is fair in love and war, and you need to stop playing victim, because if you aren't a killer you're a casualty.
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    Dec 02, 2012 7:37 PM GMT
    Cash said
    MashogaNubianPrince said
    Cash said
    MashogaNubianPrince said
    Cash saidOP - Yer problem is not with the Gay Community. Your problem is with the VERY tiny amount of life You have experienced.

    You claim to be a writer. If You ever hope to write something interesting You will have to experience MOAR than the local bar and the 40 or 50 people in Your Recent Call List.

    Surely someone who wishes to tell great stories knows that there is a WHOLE WORLD out there to be experienced????

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    When I have a car I get out. I've been around I just don't get out often now because I dont have a car anymore so I stay stuck in where I'm at.


    Perhaps your next book should be a Book Of Excuses.

    That seems to be your strongsuit....


    I'm not making excuses I'm just being honest.


    NO -- you are looking for sympathy...and justification.

    AND you know it..

    Lets face facts. You are over-weight and not in very good condition.

    You are a good looking Guy.

    But you are putting yourself in a context that is innappropriate.
    And then have the audacity to complain about it.

    AND YOU KNOW IT.




    Why do people like you have to come in and hi jack a well thought out post by calling him out on his weight. judging by his profile he knows he's over weight and is doing something about it. I've seen the problem he is articulating in his OP reiterated time again by men of various body types on RJ. It has nothing to do with his weight.
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    RadRTT saidJust to clarify something...do people realize this is technically a message board for gay jocks? Of course people ON HERE are going to want the perfect body...

    Also if you think women don't care about looks.....icon_rolleyes.gif


    I wasn't just talking about on here. I was talking about real life.

    And yes there are shallow women but the grand majority don't seem to be obsessed with just one kind of look. You already know what most gay men want. But women aren't as unified.


    Tell that to every average Straight Guy who has tried to buy a Woman a drink...


    I think that may have less to do with how they look and more how they approach women. I've seen men who look like the love child of Gilbert Godfreid and Steve Buscemi and still pull tang on a regular. Its more of a confidence and smoothness game than a hotness game with some women. If you know how to play the game you'll bee in luck.


    As one of the few Men on here who has had the privelege to meet both of the Men you just mentioned, I can tell you with authority BOTH are quite charming and have MUCH to offer.

    For someone who tries to act like he hates being judged - you are one of the more judgemental guys on RJ.


    I never said they weren't. I was saying though that I met men who are by all accounts physically unattractive and yet still get women. Like I was saying with women its more about mental and emotional attraction and also how you approach it. You're proving my point though.


    What exactly is your point???? that runway models aren't fighting to get into your bed??? Does that REALLY surprise you????

    Yer a good looking Dude -- and there is a Guy outh there who will worship You...

    But wtf????? How much attention do you think yer entitled to???
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    Cash saidOP - Yer problem is not with the Gay Community. Your problem is with the VERY tiny amount of life You have experienced.

    You claim to be a writer. If You ever hope to write something interesting You will have to experience MOAR than the local bar and the 40 or 50 people in Your Recent Call List.

    Surely someone who wishes to tell great stories knows that there is a WHOLE WORLD out there to be experienced????

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    When I have a car I get out. I've been around I just don't get out often now because I dont have a car anymore so I stay stuck in where I'm at.


    Perhaps your next book should be a Book Of Excuses.

    That seems to be your strongsuit....


    I'm not making excuses I'm just being honest.


    NO -- you are looking for sympathy...and justification.

    AND you know it..

    Lets face facts. You are over-weight and not in very good condition.

    You are a good looking Guy.

    But you are putting yourself in a context that is innappropriate.
    And then have the audacity to complain about it.

    AND YOU KNOW IT.




    I'm not looking sympathy. If I was this would be a very different thread. Hell I even said and I will say it again maybe some of it is my own insecurity but that doesn't change that there is just a different dynamic in the gay world than the in the straight one and that there seems to be more heterosexuals less materialistic then gay men. But that's just how I see it.

    And for the record I'm not that big. What context are you talking about oh wise one?
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    Cash said
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    Cash said
    MashogaNubianPrince said
    Cash said
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    RadRTT saidJust to clarify something...do people realize this is technically a message board for gay jocks? Of course people ON HERE are going to want the perfect body...

    Also if you think women don't care about looks.....icon_rolleyes.gif


    I wasn't just talking about on here. I was talking about real life.

    And yes there are shallow women but the grand majority don't seem to be obsessed with just one kind of look. You already know what most gay men want. But women aren't as unified.


    Tell that to every average Straight Guy who has tried to buy a Woman a drink...


    I think that may have less to do with how they look and more how they approach women. I've seen men who look like the love child of Gilbert Godfreid and Steve Buscemi and still pull tang on a regular. Its more of a confidence and smoothness game than a hotness game with some women. If you know how to play the game you'll bee in luck.


    As one of the few Men on here who has had the privelege to meet both of the Men you just mentioned, I can tell you with authority BOTH are quite charming and have MUCH to offer.

    For someone who tries to act like he hates being judged - you are one of the more judgemental guys on RJ.


    I never said they weren't. I was saying though that I met men who are by all accounts physically unattractive and yet still get women. Like I was saying with women its more about mental and emotional attraction and also how you approach it. You're proving my point though.


    What exactly is your point???? that runway models aren't fighting to get into your bed??? Does that REALLY surprise you????

    Yer a good looking Dude -- and there is a Guy outh there who will worship You...

    But wtf????? How much attention do you think yer entitled to???


    More from the gospel according to Cash... One of my favorite books because it comes with frequent bitch slaps of truth, even if it is sometimes a little harsh.
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    RadRTT saidJust to clarify something...do people realize this is technically a message board for gay jocks? Of course people ON HERE are going to want the perfect body...

    Also if you think women don't care about looks.....icon_rolleyes.gif


    I wasn't just talking about on here. I was talking about real life.

    And yes there are shallow women but the grand majority don't seem to be obsessed with just one kind of look. You already know what most gay men want. But women aren't as unified.


    Tell that to every average Straight Guy who has tried to buy a Woman a drink...


    I think that may have less to do with how they look and more how they approach women. I've seen men who look like the love child of Gilbert Godfreid and Steve Buscemi and still pull tang on a regular. Its more of a confidence and smoothness game than a hotness game with some women. If you know how to play the game you'll bee in luck.


    As one of the few Men on here who has had the privelege to meet both of the Men you just mentioned, I can tell you with authority BOTH are quite charming and have MUCH to offer.

    For someone who tries to act like he hates being judged - you are one of the more judgemental guys on RJ.


    I never said they weren't. I was saying though that I met men who are by all accounts physically unattractive and yet still get women. Like I was saying with women its more about mental and emotional attraction and also how you approach it. You're proving my point though.


    What exactly is your point???? that runway models aren't fighting to get into your bed??? Does that REALLY surprise you????

    Yer a good looking Dude -- and there is a Guy outh there who will worship You...

    But wtf????? How much attention do you think yer entitled to???


    I never said I was. But my point as I have said for the last three responses is that just to get to the point where I even begin to try and impress even an okay looking guy is that I have to look a certain way and I never will. Keep in mind these are other average people. It's like everyone is waiting for Kellan Lutz.

    And looks weren't my only harp. It's like your entire life has to be perfect for some gay men to wanna be with you. I'm a work in progress yes and iI go for men like myself but it is like they have unrealistic expectations
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    Dec 02, 2012 7:45 PM GMT
    "Like I was saying with women its more about mental and emotional attraction and also how you approach it. "


    I find this to be true.
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    Cash saidOP - Yer problem is not with the Gay Community. Your problem is with the VERY tiny amount of life You have experienced.

    You claim to be a writer. If You ever hope to write something interesting You will have to experience MOAR than the local bar and the 40 or 50 people in Your Recent Call List.

    Surely someone who wishes to tell great stories knows that there is a WHOLE WORLD out there to be experienced????

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    When I have a car I get out. I've been around I just don't get out often now because I dont have a car anymore so I stay stuck in where I'm at.


    Perhaps your next book should be a Book Of Excuses.

    That seems to be your strongsuit....


    I'm not making excuses I'm just being honest.


    NO -- you are looking for sympathy...and justification.

    AND you know it..

    Lets face facts. You are over-weight and not in very good condition.

    You are a good looking Guy.

    But you are putting yourself in a context that is innappropriate.
    And then have the audacity to complain about it.

    AND YOU KNOW IT.




    Why do people like you have to come in and hi jack a well thought out post by calling him out on his weight. judging by his profile he knows he's over weight and is doing something about it. I've seen the problem he is articulating in his OP reiterated time again by men of various body types on RJ. It has nothing to do with his weight.


    People like Me?

    What exactly is that.???

    It is NOT a well thougt out post btw.

    And nothing was hijacked.

    I addressed Him.

    Period.

    I have ZERO probs with Guys who are over-weight.

    I have probs with Dudes who bitch they don't get enuff attention from other Guys ...



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    Dec 02, 2012 7:49 PM GMT
    Okay here's my 2 cents on this topic.
    Generally I do believe that women are much less superficial than men are. If you think about it, why else is the image of women in the media such a debate all the time? Men have made it that way (or at least have paved it that way from the beginning).
    You have colloquial terms of hot women dating ugly men, but you won't really hear of such things as a hot guy dating an ugly girl because face it, he'd be given sh*t for it by his mates.

    My cousin is getting married soon and a year and a half ago I distinctly remember such a cool conversation I had with her. Another relative had just gotten married at the time and we were just having one of those deep and meaningful conversations with each other. I asked her if she would marry this guy since some of my other cousins were saying crap like "oh she could do so much better, he's ugly" etc (no surprise, it was the male cousins).
    She said yes and in some way the remarks about his looks lightly came into conversation. One of the things she said to me that really stood out was:

    "You know, it's not like I think "he's hot" when I think of him, but the thing is he is so kind, so thoughtful and treats me very well. How he makes me feel is what actually get's me really attracted to him"

    I'm not kidding, that was verbatim (at least almost) because I saved what she said on my phone as a draft message all those years ago because I thought it was so beautiful.
    So in short, yes definitely there are going to be straight women who are just as superficial as men, but the majority is vastly different. Again, why is it socially "cooler" for guys to sleep around but women are branded "sluts" all the time.

    In the gay world, for homosexual men the superficialness is definitely more prevalent and if you honestly think it's not, you surely are kidding yourself.
    Not that I'm saying there aren't gay men who aren't that superficial, but honestly for most men in general, they won't even bother trying to discover someone's personality if they at first don't fit the "look" they want.

    I know alot of people here will generally say 'personality over looks', but be honest with yourself, how likely is it that you would bother trying to discover someone's personality if you honestly thought that person's physical looks were "unattractive"?

    I think that's the predicament here. I feel that when someone says they envy the straight world in relation to this topic, I often think it's because women generally do give a guy the time of day to scope their personality even if they didn't find them particularly attractive at first sight, and they are more open to doing this than men are.
    I'm sure gay men, and men in general also do prioritise personality highly as well, just moreso in the long run and not so much at the immediate point of first contact.

    Anyway those are just my thoughts and I do apologise for it being long. I'm not saying what I think is the fact of reality and I also do apologise if I have offended people in any way. Of course I didn't mean to do that, I just thought to try give insight into what I'm thinking the OP was trying to allude to.
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    Dec 02, 2012 7:49 PM GMT
    MadeinMich said"Like I was saying with women its more about mental and emotional attraction and also how you approach it. "


    I find this to be true.


    Its easier to connect with women mentally. Its the reason why most of my friends are women or very effeminate men.
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    MadeinMich said"Like I was saying with women its more about mental and emotional attraction and also how you approach it. "


    I find this to be true.


    I don't! Women are just as shallow. The difference is that women tend to keep it veiled, and men tend to let people know up front. If you don't believe me the next time you see a woman dismiss some guy who tried to hit on her, listen in after he leaves. She will say the most horrible things.
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    Dec 02, 2012 7:51 PM GMT
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    MadeinMich said"Like I was saying with women its more about mental and emotional attraction and also how you approach it. "


    I find this to be true.


    Its easier to connect with women mentally. Its the reason why most of my friends are women or very effeminate men.


    It is also the reason you will remain alone
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    Dec 02, 2012 7:53 PM GMT
    BRoss saidOkay here's my 2 cents on this topic.
    Generally I do believe that women are much less superficial than men are. If you think about it, why else is the image of women in the media such a debate all the time? Men have made it that way (or at least have paved it that way from the beginning).
    You have colloquial terms of hot women dating ugly men, but you won't really hear of such things as a hot guy dating an ugly girl because face it, he'd be given sh*t for it by his mates.

    My cousin is getting married soon and but a year and a half ago I distinctly remember such a cool conversation I had with her. Another relative had just gotten married at the time and we were just having one of those deep and meaningful conversations with each other. I asked her if she would marry this guy since some of my other cousins were saying crap like "oh she could do so much better, he's ugly" etc (no surprise, it was the male cousins).
    She said yes and in some way the remarks about his looks lightly came into conversation. One of the things she said to me that really stood out was:

    "You know, it's not like a think "he's hot" when I think of him, but the thing is he is so kind, so thoughtful and treats me very well. How he makes me feel is what actually get's me really attracted to him"

    I'm not kidding, that was verbatim (at least almost) because I saved what she said on my phone as a draft message all those years ago because I thought it was so beautiful.
    So in short, yes definitely there are going to be straight women who are just as superficial as men, but the majority is vastly different. Again, why is it socially "cooler" for guys to sleep around but women are branded "sluts" all the time.

    In the gay world, for homosexual men the superficialness is definitely more prevalent and if you honestly think it's not, you surely are kidding yourself.
    Not that I'm saying there aren't gay men who aren't that superficial, but honestly for most men in general, they won't even bother trying to discover someone's personality if they at first don't fit the "look" they want.

    I know alot of people here will generally say 'personality over looks', but be honest with yourself, how likely is it that you would bother trying to discover someone's personality if you honestly thought that person's physical looks were "unattractive"?

    I think that's the predicament here. I feel that when someone says they envy the straight world in relation to this topic, I often think it's because women generally do give a guy the time of day to scope their personality even if they didn't find them particularly attractive at first sight, and they are more open to doing this than men are.
    I'm sure gay men, and men in general also do prioritise personality highly as well, just moreso in the long run and not so much at the immediate point of first contact.

    Anyway those are just my thoughts and I do apologise for it being long. I'm not saying what I think is the fact of reality and I also do apologise if I have offended people in any way. Of course I didn't mean to do that, I just thought to try give insight into what I'm thinking the OP was trying to allude to.


    PREACH IT SHUG!