The purpose of drag queens?

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    Dec 10, 2012 9:03 PM GMT
    GAMRican saidSometimes people are born into bodies which do not match their own identity.
    Sometimes people just want to be their own definition of "masculine", "feminine", "androgynous", or whatever blend fits with who they are at any moment in time.

    The clothes we choose to wear on our bodies should be a personal choice. What we choose to wear should not be dictated by others. We should be free to wear what we like, when we like, and how we like.

    How we may appear to others doesn't really matter if we see ourselves as beautiful. And, we should all strive to be beautiful in our own eyes. In the end, those are the only eyes which matter.


    I'm just gonna play stupid here and ask what is androgynous? ;p
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    Dec 10, 2012 9:04 PM GMT
    ni_san said
    GAMRican saidSometimes people are born into bodies which do not match their own identity.
    Sometimes people just want to be their own definition of "masculine", "feminine", "androgynous", or whatever blend fits with who they are at any moment in time.

    The clothes we choose to wear on our bodies should be a personal choice. What we choose to wear should not be dictated by others. We should be free to wear what we like, when we like, and how we like.

    How we may appear to others doesn't really matter if we see ourselves as beautiful. And, we should all strive to be beautiful in our own eyes. In the end, those are the only eyes which matter.


    I'm just gonna play stupid here and ask what is androgynous? ;p


    That like that grey area between male and female. Not exactly sexless but not really indentifiably masculine or feminine.
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    Dec 10, 2012 9:06 PM GMT
    They exist because they are fabulous!!! Their campy attire and crass attitudes are only reflections of the human condition. Just don't get bit by a queen; tranny bites don't heal well.
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    Dec 10, 2012 9:31 PM GMT
    They just want to have fun.
    And, for shy guys, it's a mask to hide behind, so that they can show their real, fabulous selves.
  • Destinharbor

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    Dec 10, 2012 9:32 PM GMT
    Well, hate to break up all the correct thinking, but I really don't enjoy the subculture. Don't mind that it exists, just don't need to see it. I guess I wouldn't care one way or another but it seems anytime a bunch of guys get together do dance, the show is interrupted by a drag queen show. It's boring, repetitive, and not in any way interesting. But everyone has to stop dancing and watch the awful show. I did see a drag show in Key West at Oh La La that was a lot of fun but it was a stage show, not a dance venue. And it was actually clever, not just some fat guy in a lot of makeup lip syncing to some song from fifteen years ago.
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    Dec 10, 2012 9:34 PM GMT
    RichLather said...... Just don't get bit by a queen; tranny bites don't heal well.


    Drag Queens and Trannies are two different things.
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    Dec 10, 2012 9:34 PM GMT
    Webster666 saidThey just want to have fun.
    And, for shy guys, it's a mask to hide behind, so that they can show their real, fabulous selves.


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    Dec 10, 2012 9:35 PM GMT
    Are You asking about Drag Queens, Transgendered, or Transvestites???

    Each are VERY different the only commonality being female clothing.

    In answer to the OP -- A Drag Queen is an Entertainer. They are as over the top or low key as any Entertainer.
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    Dec 10, 2012 9:39 PM GMT
    SOME drag queens are very talented!









    Met HIM (Jeffery Roberson) in Louisville, KY several years ago after HER live performance....didn't know he was HER. Fantastic job of acting.
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    Dec 10, 2012 10:10 PM GMT
    Drag queens are all about entertainment and education. They hold a special place in our community and while I, like many of you here I'm sure, don't always like/need to see/hear them shriek or pantomime, I'm glad they're there. At the end of the day, one of their (more exalted) purposes is to showcase how all gender is performance: just as they have on heels and makeup, so too we men are in "male/butch" drag with the muscles, short hair, and clothing, etc. but don't realize it.

    Muscles are a type of drag. Leather is a type of drag. Clothes are a type of drag. Hair is a type of drag. It's all fucking drag really gents, it's just that drag queens are more clear about what they're performing.

    That being said, I personally like my drag queens a bit on the weirder, more gender fuck side of things than the fishy type, but to each his/her own.
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    Dec 10, 2012 10:26 PM GMT
    I think some of you are confusing transgendered, transsexuals, and drag queens. While drag queens might be transgendered or transsexual, most drag queens are not living their entire life in outrageous drag costume. It's something they do for entertainment and stage purposes. Most are not getting up in the morning and putting on a Madonna-like cone shaped bra to clean the house in drag. Transgendered and transsexuals don't take off a 'transgendered' or 'transsexual' costume at night.
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    Dec 10, 2012 10:34 PM GMT
    In regards to drag queens, as a performance then it seems quite obvious why someone would go to the polar extreme of hyper femininity.

    Being a drag queen is defined by the over feminizing of what would already be considered feminine for a performance.

    Whereas if the individual is transgender or transexual then they are not performing gender in a way to get attention or for a performance but rather because they identify with that gender or masculine or feminine norms better than their originally sexed body.

    Drag queens are great for our community because they make us realize that these gender norms are fucked and makes us question why we have to conform or why it is "unnatural" to perform gender in any variation from the bipolar system of male and female. We know their originally sexed body, and we see their gender expression is different than that, but why does that appear "wrong" or "unnatural"?

    We as a community need to move past our own discrimination within the gay community. From social stigmas surrounding feminine gay male individuals, to trying to adhere to this patriarchal heterosexual normative by blending in and "appearing" straight or "normal" while chastising any slight variation from that path that one could point out as acting "girly" or "feminine".
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    Dec 10, 2012 10:37 PM GMT
    They just want to look fancy. I envy them. I could never pull it off.
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    Dec 10, 2012 11:00 PM GMT
    Hell if they wanna dress in drag, by all means do it! Although I think i'm scared of them, like a clown haha.
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    Dec 13, 2012 5:53 AM GMT
    i guess i wished being gay is simply a matter of guys liking guys. It would look less like a "lifestyle" if not for the horse faced drag queens and all the correct talk urging everyone to tap into their inner fabulousness. It sounds great coming from Lady Gaga, but really, I wasn't born a superstar... born to do great things maybe, but no diva.

    end rant
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    Dec 13, 2012 5:59 AM GMT
    whytehot saidi guess i wished being gay is simply a matter of guys liking guys. It would look less like a "lifestyle" if not for the horse faced drag queens and all the correct talk urging everyone to tap into their inner fabulousness. It sounds great coming from Lady Gaga, but really, I wasn't born a superstar... born to do great things maybe, but no diva.

    end rant


    Just outta curiosity...what "great things" were you born to do?

    And just how stellar is YOUR face?

    Can't tell since you live in the shadows.
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    Dec 13, 2012 6:00 AM GMT
    Drag does not = trans.
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    Dec 13, 2012 6:05 AM GMT
    Cash said
    whytehot saidi guess i wished being gay is simply a matter of guys liking guys. It would look less like a "lifestyle" if not for the horse faced drag queens and all the correct talk urging everyone to tap into their inner fabulousness. It sounds great coming from Lady Gaga, but really, I wasn't born a superstar... born to do great things maybe, but no diva.

    end rant


    Just outta curiosity...what "great things" were you born to do?

    And just how stellar is YOUR face?

    Can't tell since you live in the shadows.


    i'm just saying we're all born with that potential, just not for divahood... why the ad hominem...
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    Dec 13, 2012 6:07 AM GMT
    whytehot said
    Cash said
    whytehot saidi guess i wished being gay is simply a matter of guys liking guys. It would look less like a "lifestyle" if not for the horse faced drag queens and all the correct talk urging everyone to tap into their inner fabulousness. It sounds great coming from Lady Gaga, but really, I wasn't born a superstar... born to do great things maybe, but no diva.

    end rant


    Just outta curiosity...what "great things" were you born to do?

    And just how stellar is YOUR face?

    Can't tell since you live in the shadows.


    i'm just saying we're all born with that potential... why the ad hominem...


    That's not what you said.

    Read your own quote.

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    Dec 13, 2012 6:13 AM GMT
    If you must insist, ok I was referring to me, but I can't elaborate because it's been on the news... and while out of the closet, i rather not be known for being on a site like this icon_wink.gif
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    Dec 13, 2012 6:41 AM GMT
    kevmoran saidAside from what other people have said, they're also usually something along with doing drag, the Drag Race girls being the exception. Usually they're DJ's, bartenders, club hosts, etc. that dress in drag as entertainment. And some do try to look "fishy" meaning they want to look like real girls. But most are making fun of women and purposely going over the top for the sake of drama and entertainment. I prefer the latter.


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    Dec 13, 2012 6:44 AM GMT
    whytehot saidThe purpose of drag queens?
    To piss off people who are insecure with their own masculinity, regardless of their sexual orientation.
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    Dec 13, 2012 6:45 AM GMT
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    whytehot saidIf you must insist, ok I was referring to me, but I can't elaborate because it's been on the news... and while out of the closet, i rather not be known for being on a site like this icon_wink.gif


    Guess what...a SITE LIKE THIS would rather not be known for having something like you lurking around.

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    Dec 13, 2012 6:18 PM GMT
    Another RJ member who has been here for a while and added valuable contribustions to our community, commented upon my recent post in this thread...

    Another RJ memberHey! I liked your comment about Drag Queens.


    Because I feel there is value to the community, here is my elaborated response...

    I don't do drag myself. Living here in SF, I have learned more about the differentiation among Physical Gender, Psychological Gender, Gender Role Play, Sexual Orientation, Sexual Behavior, and Sexual Identity. These are all separate and distinct dimensions of human diversity.

    From what I've learned, I've seen the straight, gay, and other communities "look down upon", castigate, and shun those who don't fit the nice, neat boxes which the more established "middle of the bell curve" masses have established to define themselves, to find their own identity. I see this happening to transvestites (drag queens), transsexuals, bisexuals, and others.

    It saddens me when I remember back to when I was trying to figure my own identity out and people "put me down". I nearly committed suicide because of it. I've seen others turn to drugs and other addictions to numb the pain of "not belonging and being reminded in mean ways".

    I have empathy and compassion for those who are seeking their own identity and their own path. In my opinion, everybody else should either try to help, or mind their own business and get out of the fucking way.

    Special Note: To those of you whom the "traditional labels" of gay, straight, male, female "just don't fit right", I urge you to pursue your heart and your spirit in finding what "fits" for you at any particular moment in time. I urge you to have courage in the face of ignorance and intolerance to be who you need to be, be who you want to be. There are those of us out here who are trying hard to understand you and to support you.

    I am one of those people who are trying hard to understand and support you, and more importantly to defend, love, and celebrate your right to forge your path as a dignified, diverse, and valued, human being.

    You have only one life. Live it true to who you are.

    Aloha and Be Well!
    Alan