How many guys on here are Vegetarians or Vegan or some variation of...?

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    Aug 29, 2007 9:40 PM GMT
    I apologize McGay I didn't realize you were making a joke. I've been under the attack on the Master Cleanse thread and someone started attacking my being vegan simply because I said 'animal proteins'.

    I am a little defensive forgive me. But you have to understand that being Vegan for most people isn't about just the amazing health benefits but also the personal and emotional ties to it. I for one also do it for the environment and for the way we mass produce, torture and slaughter living, feeling, SMART and social creatures.

    the word animals is just so offensive. Most 'animals' are smarter and more well adept with nature than we could even dream of.

    This isn't me pushing my ideals on anyone, I'm simply explaining why it was not so easily seen as a joke.
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    Aug 29, 2007 9:52 PM GMT
    No sweat, slayer, and I appreciate your reply.

    FWIW, I'm a bleeding heart animal lover.
  • fryblock

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    Aug 29, 2007 9:59 PM GMT
    i agree with slayer. sorry if i took what you said to heart, but its what we have come to face often. and not to attack you, but people who say they are animal lovers, but scarf down a steak dont mean much to me.
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    Aug 29, 2007 10:05 PM GMT
    Were I trying to be meaningful, then so too would be your opinion on that. Not to attack you or anything.
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    Aug 29, 2007 10:07 PM GMT
    Try to keep in mind too, that probably the majority of men here are not here to convince anyone of anything. Perhaps only those who are feel under attack. This is probably not a good place (the internet in general) to display one's debating prowess.
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    Aug 29, 2007 10:55 PM GMT
    "I've been under the attack on the Master Cleanse thread and someone started attacking my being vegan simply because I said 'animal proteins'."

    Slayer, on the Master Cleanse topic you posted several negative comments about eating animal foods, and I simply posted a comment back. You're the one who brought up that particular issue, and now you're claiming that you're under attack? Engaging in dialog constitutes an attack???

    The pattern I see on that topic is that you blow a fuse when someone dares to disagree with you. I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but not everyone you encounter in life is going to agree with you. And, you'll probably be a lot better off if you don't play the victim card simply because someone does disagree with you.
  • metta

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    Aug 29, 2007 11:01 PM GMT
    I do most of my food shopping at Trader Joe’s. They make eating so simple. :)

    I eat a wide variety of vegetarian foods so I don’t really have trouble balancing them. I don't really even need to try. But I’m a pretty picky eater when it comes to veggies.

    A simple quick salad that I like to eat is one that my Aunt taught me as a child. It is so easy and yummy!

    Basic Salad:
    Mash up at avocado(s), sprinkle with a little sea salt, fresh pepper, and lemon juice. Spread it out in the bottom of the salad bowl. Add cleaned torn up lettuce, sliced tomatoes, cucumbers, and whatever else you want. Refrigerate for a few minutes. I don’t know why, but it makes a difference in the taste of it. Take it out of the refrigerator and toss the salad making the avocado even in the salad. Add a few croutons and that’s it. No dressing needed. YUM!!!!
  • fryblock

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    Aug 29, 2007 11:03 PM GMT
    i wish there were a trader joe's near my house!
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    Aug 30, 2007 3:10 PM GMT
    Paradox

    The only negative comment I made was clearly in defense against your anti-vegetarian comments.

    The first and foremost thing I mentioned was the toxins our body gets from 'contaminated meat proteins'

    In no way was that a derogatory comment against people who eat meat. It's common knowledge to people who eat it and don't the things that can be in meat.

    So no, you became defensive and hurtful and I'm sorry you are not fully comfortable in your participation in the meat consuming populace.

    xoxo
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    Aug 30, 2007 4:16 PM GMT
    Actually, slayer, you were the one who started in on meat eating. You started with a comment about excess protein consumption and then wrote:

    "Im sure those same nutritionists at your hospital tell their patients the 'great' effects of eating animals meat and dairy products."

    I ignored it. And, when you later posted about "animal contaminated proteins" I decided to post something about it. The behavioral pattern you display on that thread is that you can't handle it when people disagree with you, and you respond by labeling them as defensive and hostile when they dare to express an opposing opinion. You did it to those who questioned the validity of the Master Cleanse, and you did it to me. Personally, I think your accusations are pure projection.
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    Aug 30, 2007 4:33 PM GMT


    Stop the senseless killing of vegetables. I'm a avid gardener. Plants are my best friends and it has been scientifically proven that they have feelings. See "The Secret Life of Plants" ,Peter Tompkins
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    Aug 30, 2007 4:40 PM GMT
    Unlike animals, plants produce food which can be enjoyed repeatedly w/o their having to "die" in the process. A guava tree will produce fruit for hundreds of years while that cow, once skinned, is pretty much done for. However, I won't preach to the choir today. :)
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    Aug 30, 2007 4:54 PM GMT
    Are you comparing the cow to the tree or the fruit it produces? Once you chop down the tree, that's it, no more fruit. The cow can produce milk until you chop down the cow.
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    Aug 30, 2007 4:58 PM GMT
    Haha, you cheeky devil McGay! :P (Many plants don't have to be entirely cut down in order to harvest while Cow Bessie's servitude keeps her in production for quite a short time...she's milk, then meat, then feed for the next one. Ugh!)
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    Aug 30, 2007 5:02 PM GMT
    I'm curious about something. For you guys who are vegans or vegetarians - is it because

    1) the thought of eating flesh disgusts me in a kind of "Night of the Living Dead" way.

    2) it's unhealthy.

    3) it's unkind to cute, cuddly animals.

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    Aug 30, 2007 5:03 PM GMT
    whoopsie daisie

    that should be disgusts YOU in a "Night of the ..."
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    Aug 30, 2007 5:05 PM GMT
    no paradox, I think you're a 40 something year old who hates being put in his place by a 20 something year old.

    as far as I'm concerned you and I and this conversation are done.

    Best Wishes

    XOXO

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    Aug 30, 2007 5:07 PM GMT
    Some of the reasons for me:

    1)Factory farming (a.k.a. "Concentration Camps for animals") is disgusting and inhumane
    2)Too many hormones in the meat
    3)A plant-based diet has been the better mainstay of people throughout history (while peole did have meat, it wasn't nearly on the scale it is in the 21st century)
    4)Plant-based diets significantly reduce your likelyhood of contracting numerous diseases
    5)The human body has an easier time breaking down fruits and vegetables than meat products


    Those are just a few of the reasons for me. While I understand its not for everyone, more Americans ought to consider it.
  • fryblock

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    Aug 30, 2007 5:15 PM GMT
    mcgay-

    all three. while i became vegetarian because i didnt want to eat animals, i became vegan because i didnt like how the animals producing milk, eggs, etc were being treated. in the past 6 months it has expande from animal rights into a health issue as well.
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    Aug 30, 2007 5:24 PM GMT
    For me it started as health

    it then moved to cruelty to other living intelligent creatures.

    and lastly, it now inspires me for the environment and man kind all around the world.

    (the more educated I became on the subject the more motivations it fed me).

    70% of what we grow is used as livestock feed.
    That can be used to feed other countries who are starving.

    everyone and everything seems to be suffering because of the 21st century American/American modeled meat industries.
  • art_smass

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    Aug 30, 2007 6:34 PM GMT
    I've been a vegetarian since 1986 (no flesh). I still eat eggs and dairy, just not tons of it. I don't believe it's had any adverse effects on my health. As my friend likes to say in a indistinguishable foreign accent, "I'm strong like ox and twice good-looking!"
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    Aug 30, 2007 7:00 PM GMT
    Are any of you guys who are vegetarians nutritionists? I ask because I know a few and none of them (4) advocates a vegetarian or vegan diet. They don't promote making meat the center of the diet but do say that meats and fish contain certain proteins and other nutrients not avaible otherwise. They say this is especially true of fish. I've also read some literature on a lack of fish in our modern diet perhaps being at least partially to blame for the amount of depression, alzheimers, ADD, and a host of other psy related ailments.
  • fryblock

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    Aug 30, 2007 7:08 PM GMT
    i am actually thinking about double majoring in a nutrition major. the things you need from fish oil can also be obtained from flax seeds and flax seed oil.
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    Aug 30, 2007 7:10 PM GMT
    It wasn't the omega's, i'm pretty sure, it had to do with stuff that was good for the brain.

    I can tell that there's a lot of people who've never had fish.
  • fryblock

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    Aug 30, 2007 7:14 PM GMT
    the god things about fish, for the heart and brain, are the omega 3 fatty acids that they provide. this is good for our bodies because of the dha and epa they provide. fish get these from the algae they eat. it is also available in some leafy greens, flax seeds, walnuts, and canola oil.