How many guys on here are Vegetarians or Vegan or some variation of...?

  • fryblock

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    Aug 30, 2007 10:25 PM GMT
    yea when i work out i drink a soy protein shake. it is, however, a misconception on how much protein we actually need. we do need it just not as much as people do consume. over eating on protein can eventually lead to osteoporosis because the excess protein leeches some calcium from your body.
  • metta

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    Aug 30, 2007 10:35 PM GMT
    There are so many topics in this thread. It is too bad that we are not able to break all of ths down into sub thread.

    As for why I'm a vegetarian. I became one after reading Diet For A New America by John Robbins.

    I just did not see any reason to continue eatng meat but had a whole bunch of reasons on why I should not: including health, environment, animal cruelty. At first, I thought that I would just wean myself off of it but I ended up just deciding not to eat it again. And I have not, since 1990. I have no desire or need to eat it again.

    I also don't really want to go vegan. I don't drink milk, but I do ocassionally have free range organic eggs, as well as cheese and yogurt.
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    Aug 31, 2007 1:12 AM GMT
    I'm a ovo-vegetarian...I think?...I only eat eggs with my veggies. Ah, we do love our labels; don't we?

    Anywho, I don't eat animals for a very simple, personal reason for me. I feel a bond and kinship with all animals so I can't look at an animal and think how beautiful it is..then kill it and consume it's flesh. Just doesn't seem right. I think humans would change their attitude on eating meat if we weren't at the top of the food chain.

    -Den
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    Aug 31, 2007 6:01 PM GMT
    As many of you have probably seen there is a new and very immature and offensive thread.

    Let's not go to their level and respond to it, there is no separatist movement as indicated, it was an extension of different lifestyles. We have only passed judgment when it was forced upon us, let us just move beyond it. I've made my case to the author on a personal e-mail and thats the last they will hear from me on it.

  • Aug 31, 2007 7:09 PM GMT
    20 years baby!
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    Aug 31, 2007 8:59 PM GMT
    1989 here, though I basically went vegan about 4 years ago. Because of an accident, I'm a wheelchair racer now rather than a runner (same races, just in a special racing wheelchair rather than running shoes), so I use the old beans-and-brown rice combo for protein along with a lot of tofu and other soy products. I seem to have plenty of stamina and muscle-power (though I'm probably a good bit older than a lot of you). The reason I say I "basically" am vegan is that I will eat baked goods (when I treat myself) that have been cooked with eggs in them though I'm trying to cut that out. HOWEVER, I do have to use a brown rice protein powder every morning, so I begin to lose muscle strength when I'm training--particularly for a marathon or a half-marathon. And, boy, I've never felt better.
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    Aug 31, 2007 9:04 PM GMT
    Well, I am a quasi vegetarian. I do eat most forms of meat but I absolutely refuse to eat pork. It's not for religious reasons though; I just cannot stand the thought of eating a pig. I don't know why but I like pigs and I don't think they deserve to be eaten especially since they are (apparently) one of the most intelligent animals on the planet (seriously, according to a zoologist they are something like the 11th most intelligent animals on the planet). However, I don't really care much for cows. I know that is something of a double standard but I just cannot identify with cows (which are less intelligent and a lot less cute) than I can with pigs who can think on a higher level and who I feel a connection with. But beef and chicken are okay to me.

    I know that sounds weird; I just have strange ways of htinking is all. But yeah, I would say I am a partial vegetarian. I try to avoid eating too much meat as well; especially since I am an environmentalist and I don't want to contribute to the destruction of our beautiful planet too much. besides, I like to try and get protein from other sources, like milk (the one thing cows are brilliant at producing), eggs, and especially cheese (my favourite food).

    I've an auntie who's a vegetarian; I guess it runs in the family (a bit anyway).
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    Aug 31, 2007 9:12 PM GMT
    I been a vegatarian for about 4 years now. I noticed my weight is pretty much the same. Lately I cut out potatoes and some of the bread out of my diet. I also cut out soft drinks and noticed that I have no more acne problems.

    I do like eggs and cheese still thou. I may cut out cheese also because I really want to have a better body.
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    Aug 31, 2007 9:21 PM GMT
    musician -
    You didn't mention one single food that wasn't an animal or animal product! LOL!!!!
    Are you sure you know what the word "vegetarian" means?
    Just sayin'.
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    Aug 31, 2007 10:04 PM GMT

    Its odd. While I was with one of my ex Bf's for 3 years he insisted on being 'vegetarian' and 'macro-biotic'.

    I had never done that before, but I was absolutely fine with it - as long as he cooked.

    Once we split up I went back to eating 'normally'; I just don't have the... mindset? committment? ... to do it on my own.

    Rob
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    Sep 01, 2007 9:51 AM GMT
    Eating all meat except pork doesn't make you a vegetarian. It just makes you a finicky eater
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    Sep 01, 2007 1:35 PM GMT
    Ovo-lacto Pescoterian since 1987
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    Sep 01, 2007 2:09 PM GMT
    Vegan here. Vegetarian since 1986 or so. Vegan since 2000. There was a brief foray back into dairy-land and it made me feel so sick. Blah! There is no real reason for any adult animal to eat dairy (totally unnatural as no animal eats milk after being weaned - unless you are a Little Britain Fan -lol). For me the main reasons were ethical, hey, The Smith's said it so well with "Meat is Murder". Now as I am training for a marathon, living with HIV, and studying Buddhism I know it is better for my physical, mental, and spiritual health.

    MeatMurder.jpg

    Heifer whines could be human cries
    Closer comes the screaming knife
    This beautiful creature must die
    This beautiful creature must die
    A death for no reason
    And death for no reason is murder

    And the flesh you so fancifully fry
    Is not succulent, tasty or kind
    Its death for no reason
    And death for no reason is murder

    And the calf that you carve with a smile
    Is murder
    And the turkey you festively slice
    Is murder
    Do you know how animals die ?

    Kitchen aromas aren't very homely
    Its not comforting, cheery or kind
    Its sizzling blood and the unholy stench
    Of murder

    Its not natural, normal or kind
    The flesh you so fancifully fry
    The meat in your mouth
    As you savour the flavour
    Of murder

    No, no, no, its murder
    No, no, no, its murder
    Oh ... and who hears when animals cry ?


  • metta

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    Sep 02, 2007 3:53 PM GMT
    Here is a good vegan recipe site: Vegan Yum Yum
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    Sep 02, 2007 4:48 PM GMT
    Haha that other topic is joke. Most of those people are very much in denial, ignorant, and will never "get it", doomed to live their unhappy, unhealthy life. When they get to age 50 you will see them on blood pressure and cholesterol medication, slowly rotting away on the inside, never finding the true meaning life. How can you respect your own life when you can't respect another's?

    Anyway I've only been vegetarian for 8 months and vegan for a month. The World Peace Diet by Will Tuttle is a great book and made me realize what and idiot I was for eating dairy. It's definitely not any better than eating meat. I hate the meat and pharmaceutical industry with a passion. There is no way the drug industry can exist without our disease ridden meat and chemical laced food industry. Why do you think there is a FOOD and DRUG administration?

    We can't have peace in this world when we can't make peace with animals and our environment.

    Unfortunately as Will Tuttle put it, the extra testosterone in meat that men are eating just gives them a "fuck it or kill it" mentality. So there is pretty much no way of convincing these guys. Let them be in denial, I used to be there.

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    Sep 02, 2007 5:04 PM GMT
    Oh and by the way a really good forum that actually does support veganism is

    www.veganbodybuilding.com

    (Yes that's right, you don't have to eat animal protein to get huge....duh)

    There are actually people that care and lend support, unlike here. You don't have to be a body builder per se, but they give great advice and are very friendly for people questioning veganism or trying to improve their diets. I highly recommend it! And there is none of this gay drama i'm-healthier-than-you debate shit.
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    Sep 02, 2007 5:05 PM GMT
    HEMP PROTEIN?

    Hi Folks.

    Not really into labels of any kind, but I've been mainly vegan for 15 years now.

    Like a lot of you, I have issues with the way animals are treated by big business agriculture. The typical American has no idea what he is actually eating, and this is not limited to meats. Most people get fed some really harmful stuff on a daily basis.

    Anyway, I could write volumes on this topic, but will conclude this part of my message by advising everyone to (1) know where your food is coming from and (2) respect nature.

    My question to everyone is about hemp protein. I don't trust whey or egg proteins, and am afraid that an over-intake of soy is going to hinder any attempts at body-building. Has anyone used hemp protein? Any advice for a vegan who has a hard time building muscle? My goal is not to become a grotesque musclehead, but a little results from my effort in the gym would be nice.

    Thanks in advance
    Never2ndbest in Central Florida
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    Sep 02, 2007 5:25 PM GMT
    I'm not vegetarian, but vegetarian food is yummy! I could go for some peas and cheese, or some lentil soup.
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    Sep 02, 2007 8:58 PM GMT
    One thing I want to be better about is eating more whole foods.

    Less Boca Burgers and such.

    When I am feeling lazy I'll eat a Boca burger over chopping veggies and taking an hour to make brown rice!

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    Sep 02, 2007 11:05 PM GMT
    "Less Boca Burgers and such."

    Boca Burger was bought by Kraft Foods, which is a division of Philip Morris, the tobacco company.
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    Sep 02, 2007 11:51 PM GMT
    Hmmmm, soon there will be two or three corporations that own everything. I wonder how long it will be before air is a patented Monsanto product.
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    Sep 04, 2007 4:21 AM GMT
    Think of the strongest animals on earth....the elephant, the horse and the strongest of all...the gorilla. They are all vegetarians. Carnivores, such as lions, tigers etc., spend up to 20 hours a day sleeping and the other couple of hours hunting for food. Which would you rather be like? And if there is not much protein in fruit and vegatables, then tell me where the gorilla gets his protein?
  • fryblock

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    Sep 04, 2007 5:41 AM GMT
    amen scruffy!
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    Sep 04, 2007 6:04 AM GMT
    Oh and don't forget the biggest of all: the whales.

    Oh wait...

    Sorry, just had to poke a little fun. No animosity intended from this non-veg.
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    Sep 04, 2007 5:48 PM GMT
    good on scruffy :)