How many guys on here are Vegetarians or Vegan or some variation of...?

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    Sep 04, 2007 8:58 PM GMT
    "And if there is not much protein in fruit and vegatables, then tell me where the gorilla gets his protein?"

    Gorillas: Diet and Eating Habits

    Some gorilla subspecies eat various invertebrate animals, and the rest of the diet is huge quantities of plant matter.

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    Sep 05, 2007 12:18 AM GMT
    im sorry I try to be a bigger person.....paradox, just shut up already god, you're what 48 arguing with people, it's so sad that at almost half a century old you can't just stop talking.

    you're a bit like michael lohan.


    enough is enough


    xoxo
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    Sep 05, 2007 12:27 AM GMT
    Beans, lentils, Nuts, Soy, Broccoli, Kale, Spinach, Almonds, Cashews, Amaranth, Quinoa, Apples, Melons, Figs, Raisins....shall i go on or is this enough to satisfy you with protein requirements??
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    Sep 05, 2007 12:30 AM GMT
    Just so I dont confuse you of course

    a chicken leg has about 14 grams of protein


    1 cup of say, lentils or beans (black, garbanzo, navy, kidney, pinto) have 15-18 grams of protein.


    Are you getting it now???
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    Sep 05, 2007 12:38 AM GMT
    haha now Im the one that wont shut up.....

    Meat and animal products gained special status in the first half of the 20th century as necessary protein sources when deficiency disese were our primary nutritional goals. Farmers were granted subsidies for raising animals for food, and nutritional education materials emphasized the value of animal foods as the primary protein sources in our diets. As a result, the consumption of animal products increased, with protein intakes averaging 50-100 percent higher than recommended amounts.

    more protein doesnt add to bigger muscles.

    According to World Health Organization (WHO) Technical report 797: "There are no known advantages from increasing the proportion of energy derived from protein, and high intakes may have harmful effects in promoting ecessive losses of body calcium and perhapes accelerating age-related decline in renal function"
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    Sep 05, 2007 12:49 AM GMT
    I've been vegetarian now for 11 years. When I first became vegetarian, I was full of energy and stamina. I was originally vegan, but because it was difficult for my boyfriend, we compromised: he would no longer eat animal flesh and I would eat dairy and eggs. Well, all I can say is that I cannot wait to go vegan again. Over the years, I've lost most of my energy and stamina and gained some weight after adding dairy and eggs back into my diet. I plan on going vegan again in January. Wish me luck! :-)
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    Sep 05, 2007 12:51 AM GMT
    Nice goose step.
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    Sep 05, 2007 12:52 AM GMT
    Whoops, sorry. That was not meant for this thread. My apologies. Too many windows, only one mouse.
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    Sep 05, 2007 1:08 AM GMT
    I'm not sure comparing human diets to those of other species, mammalian or otherwise, is particularly helpful or really tells you that much about what a human should eat. Certainly much of the gorillas' diet wouldn't be digestable for a human, but neither eating like a lion or whale would be helpful either.

    The human, obviously, can eat a variety of different foods, and can live quite well on a diet that includes meat or a diet that includes no meat. I don't know that you can really say one is superior to the other, and no much of modern agriculture whether plant or animal is not helpful for the environment.

    Why one chooses one is mostly an individual choice, and based on what the person finds as best for him or herself. Just be happy with what ahd why you eat what you eat.
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    Sep 05, 2007 1:45 AM GMT
    well its been proven a lot of bad bad bad bad bad things come with eating animal flesh....all of which ARE NOT apparent with plant-based diets.


    so yeah, speaking to science, there is one much healthier alternative
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    Sep 05, 2007 2:24 AM GMT
    Slayer, in the past 5 days I've posted two very concise replies on this thread. The first was an FYI about Boca Burger's corporate owners, the second simply answered the question about where gorillas get their protein, and neither of them were in response to your posts because you had indicated that you were finished communicating with me. To say that I'm the one who can't stop talking is a dishonest assessment of my participation here. Hell, you posted six times, just today, on this thread!

    I find it odd that an innocuous answer to a question would cause you to lose composure and launch into such a tirade. If someone else had answered that question, I doubt you'd have behaved the same way. I don't think this is about what I wrote; I think it's about who wrote it. You're pissed off about my presence in your private little clubhouse.
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    Sep 05, 2007 2:32 AM GMT
    well now you know where you can get protein that amounts to more grams per serving than meat.

    it also comes with amino acids, fiber iorn and zinc

    meat does not
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    Sep 05, 2007 2:36 AM GMT
    Hahaha. There is NO such thing as living well eating meat. Not only the health consequences, but the environmental and spiritual consequences. How can we say we care for our earth and pray for peace when we don't look at our dinner plates? Questioning our diet is the LAST thing we want to do it seems. We are not omnivores. The greatest thinkers of all time knew this ie: Einstein, Pythagoras, Hippocrates, Plato, Leo Tolstoy, R.W. Emerson, Ghandi, and i could go ON and ON. There is no way it can be argued. Believe it or be in denial. It's your choice. :)
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    Sep 05, 2007 2:42 AM GMT
    Btw slayerstrppd03, i think you just named off everything in my kitchen :P
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    Sep 05, 2007 2:43 AM GMT
    ha and u just got hot listed by me for being awesome
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    Sep 05, 2007 2:59 AM GMT
    good luck jimboe!
  • fryblock

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    Sep 05, 2007 3:02 AM GMT
    paradox-

    there are a couple companies that produce both vegan/ethical and non-vegan/non-ethical products. it's a fact that is sometimes unavoidable. however, by supporting the vegan side of it, it increases the demand for that part of the company.
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    Sep 05, 2007 3:11 AM GMT
    jeez. it just keeps lingering like the stench of road-kill. but is it dead yet/
    tune in tomorrow folks.
  • fryblock

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    Sep 05, 2007 3:13 AM GMT
    and yet you come here. don't like it? don't read, post, or waste your time. or mine. ass.
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    Sep 05, 2007 3:16 AM GMT
    Slayer what exactly bad things are proven to come from animal flesh? Or I mean what sort of outcome are you looking at here? Longevity? Hardly as some of the longest lived people on the planet eat mixed diets -- think Mediterranean or the Japanese. Yes, they probably don't eat large quantities of meat, but they don't eschew it either.

    And by the way I was raised vegetarian, and probably 90% of my diet is still vegetarian -- I mostly eat meat if I'm at friends or eating out and only rarely cook it at home. So I certainly don't have anything against a vegetarian or vegan diet, and certainly believe it to be a very healthy diet, and it does have certain benefits.

    So as far as providing all the nutrients there are either completely plant based or a mix of plant and animal based diets that will give you a long and healthy life -- and there are certainly many diets that will give you a short one.

    As for the environment, I would say most of modern agriculture is not very environmentally friendly -- and that goes for raising animals as well as growing crops. So yes, your diet can be environmentally friendly, but you have to work at that for either vegetables or meat, depending which you want, that are raised organically and humanely. Yes, you may not like killing animals and that's fine, but that is not the same as environmetally sounds agriculture practices, and across the board they are bad.

    And as far as spiritual. You may have very spiritual reasons for being a vegetarian/vegan, but those are personal reasons and best left at that, and to try and impose such a diet or claim a moral superiority based on the spiritual aspects is a spirito-religious intolerance the same as any other aspect of religion.

    Again, I have nothing against vegetarianism, and mostly eat that way. But you have to eat to live, and a diet is, or should be, about getting a healthy mix of foods that provides all the nutrients one needs to be healthy, and of course vegetarianism does that more than adequately. What a diet should not be is a crusade for ones personal beliefs.
  • fryblock

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    Sep 05, 2007 3:20 AM GMT
    this forum was never meant to be a crusade for beliefs. it was a forum for people with similar diets, beliefs, etc to come together and chat. the anti-veg people are the ones who turned it into a crusade by coming here with their hate.

    im pretty sure the benefits of veg diets has been mentioned, but heart disease is one of the bigs one. also, tjwdraws posted many links on the peta forum providing valuable info.
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    Sep 05, 2007 3:24 AM GMT
    Ass isn't a vegetarian-ism, now is it?

    Btw,I was referring to a particularly 'foul-mouthed' poster's tone...

    and then there were two.

    Perhaps we can be thankful that some very angry people DON'T eat meat.
  • fryblock

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    Sep 05, 2007 3:29 AM GMT
    well when you come here saying something like that but not explaining it, i react the way i did seeing as a couple people have come here attacking. im sorry.
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    Sep 05, 2007 3:34 AM GMT
    (((a round of warm veggie hugs)))
    pax.
  • fryblock

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    Sep 05, 2007 3:36 AM GMT
    :)