Jan 14, 2013 1:55 PM GMT
Best are the people who can't even spell the word. "USE PROPER GRAMMER!"
Cardinal724 saidJust had a discussion today with someone who was insisting that the inability of people these days to distinguish between "who" and "whom" amongst other grammar issues is part of whats wrong with the current generation (this person was a bit older than myself). Despite my efforts to convince him that he was mistaken, it didn't seem to have any effect.
What bugs me about people like this is not only that they're pretentious but also that have no concept at all about how language actually works.
So I wanted to post this chapter from Steven Pinker's The Language Instinct called "The Language Mavens," which goes into detail as to why the above line of reasoning is fundamentally flawed. If more people read this, the less grammar nazis there would be in the world.
Narciso saidThe solution is easy.
Just use proper grammar.
Bicuriouscool saidI have a solution. Use programming languages. They are unambigous and have very definite structures. But then what you can express in words is very limited. Grammer is important but language is made by people, so if a majority of native people understand what you are trying to say naturally it should be considered correct.
calibro saidbasically, what you're saying is it's not important to write correctly because linguistic utility still exists in instances of flawed grammar; however, that's like saying it doesn't matter if you hit a wrong note when playing a concerto. a wrong note is a wrong note. "who" and "whom" are as different as "i" and "me." if you think it's not poor grammar to conflate the two, then you must also think "me went to the store" is fine. one refers to subjects. one refers to objects. i find it funny that people rant all the time about grammar nazis in spite of the fact that grammar is just a simple list of rules. if you cannot understand basic grammar, it speaks to your inability to handle logic.
nicodegallo saidToday's corruptions will become tomorrow's standards, as it has always been the case with most languages especially English
NYCAthlete saidThe argument here is that if enough people use grammar incorrectly, then it becomes correct. While that's right in the sense that language exists so that a like group of people can communicate with one another, it's also ridiculous since use of incorrect grammar makes communication difficult, unclear and sometimes impossible, negating the entire point of language.Since you are a son of an English teacher, I would like to teach you a very basic thing about English- that it is spelled E-N-G-L-I-S-H not Ebglish. Have a good day, and remember to do your homework.
And there's a big difference between an author, such as Shakespeare, changing grammar through his work and it catching on en mass, compared to millions of people using different grammar in an uncoordinated fashion. Since the latter doesn't have a single source or control it merely spirals out of control and results in a mess of a language or none at all.
I won't correct your grammar (mine isn't perfect either), but I also won't be too interested to chat with you if you don't know your "yours," "toos," or "theres."
PS: I'm the son of an Ebglish teacher, so I grew up with a grammar nazi.
Maybe this chart will help.
rnch saidMy long term friend is a "Grammar Nazi" who used to correct me EVERY chance he got, in public, somewhat snidely, with a superior, haughty attitude and tone to his voice.
After the table was turned on him, after "I" corrected him a couple of times, using the same exact tone and attitude, he quickly backed off slammimg me in public for my minor transgressions.
Its the difference between knowing your shit and knowing you're shit.