I hate grammar nazis

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    Jan 14, 2013 1:55 PM GMT
    Best are the people who can't even spell the word. "USE PROPER GRAMMER!" icon_lol.gif
  • HottJoe

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    Jan 14, 2013 2:30 PM GMT
    I was never a good student--always rebelled, misspelled, and overlooked typos. I think I have an adequate understanding of grammar, which comes from being an avid reader and consummate writer. For me, grammar is a tool to make my writing easier to comprehend. It's like using emoticons, as far as I'm concerned.

    The thing about grammar nazis is that they often nitpick sentences without contributing to the actual topic being discussed. It's a way for (some) people who have nothing to say to exercise their superiority over someone who's just trying to communicate. Essentially, it's the status symbol of the written word.

    Also, having good grammar and being a talented writer are mutually exclusive. In fact, I suspect creative people usually have more trouble adhering to rules in general, because they're caught up in their story, and proper syntax is merely a means to an end.icon_biggrin.gif

    (if I had to grade myself on grammar, I'd give myself a solid B.)icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jan 14, 2013 2:42 PM GMT
    BAD SPELLERS OF THE WORLD UNTIE! (haha)
  • Medjai

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    Jan 14, 2013 3:06 PM GMT
    It's important. Language exists in order to convey ideas, and if you lose the conventions and rules that a language uses to do so, you lose the ability to communicate effectively.

    Sure, sometimes it's a mistaken 'your', but others, it's an essay written in textspeak. Yes, I have seen that. In university.
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    Jan 14, 2013 3:11 PM GMT
    Cardinal724 saidJust had a discussion today with someone who was insisting that the inability of people these days to distinguish between "who" and "whom" amongst other grammar issues is part of whats wrong with the current generation (this person was a bit older than myself). Despite my efforts to convince him that he was mistaken, it didn't seem to have any effect.

    What bugs me about people like this is not only that they're pretentious but also that have no concept at all about how language actually works.

    So I wanted to post this chapter from Steven Pinker's The Language Instinct called "The Language Mavens," which goes into detail as to why the above line of reasoning is fundamentally flawed. If more people read this, the less grammar nazis there would be in the world.

    http://ling.kgw.tu-berlin.de/lexicography/data/MAVENS.html


    #End rant


    Well when you think about it: what is language?

    Language is simply the agreement of the living community. The usage of words and grammar of English language were not the same in 1600s compared to now. So in a few hundred years or so, the "wrong" English will become the correct English because it's so common.
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    Jan 14, 2013 3:15 PM GMT
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    Jan 14, 2013 3:22 PM GMT
    Narciso saidThe solution is easy.

    Just use proper grammar.

    Problem solved.




    ^ ^ ^ ^ THIS
    & learn the diference between
    Then and Than

    PLEASE
  • rnch

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    Jan 14, 2013 3:25 PM GMT
    My long term friend is a "Grammar Nazi" who used to correct me EVERY chance he got, in public, somewhat snidely, with a superior, haughty attitude and tone to his voice.

    After the table was turned on him, after "I" corrected him a couple of times, using the same exact tone and attitude, he quickly backed off slammimg me in public for my minor transgressions.




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  • Bicuriouscool

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    Jan 14, 2013 3:39 PM GMT
    I have a solution. Use programming languages. They are unambigous and have very definite structures. But then what you can express in words is very limited. Grammer is important but language is made by people, so if a majority of native people understand what you are trying to say naturally it should be considered correct. Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana.
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    Jan 14, 2013 3:41 PM GMT
    Bicuriouscool saidI have a solution. Use programming languages. They are unambigous and have very definite structures. But then what you can express in words is very limited. Grammer is important but language is made by people, so if a majority of native people understand what you are trying to say naturally it should be considered correct.


    I guess we will get complains about compilators in this case ;)
  • Medjai

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    Jan 14, 2013 3:49 PM GMT
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  • NYCAthlete

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    Jan 14, 2013 3:49 PM GMT
    The argument here is that if enough people use grammar incorrectly, then it becomes correct. While that's right in the sense that language exists so that a like group of people can communicate with one another, it's also ridiculous since use of incorrect grammar makes communication difficult, unclear and sometimes impossible, negating the entire point of language.

    And there's a big difference between an author, such as Shakespeare, changing grammar through his work and it catching on en mass, compared to millions of people using different grammar in an uncoordinated fashion. Since the latter doesn't have a single source or control it merely spirals out of control and results in a mess of a language or none at all.

    I won't correct your grammar (mine isn't perfect either), but I also won't be too interested to chat with you if you don't know your "yours," "toos," or "theres."

    Just sayin'.

    PS: I'm the son of an Ebglish teacher, so I grew up with a grammar nazi.
  • Guycicle

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    Jan 14, 2013 4:01 PM GMT
    I think it's hard to correct someone's grammar without coming off as pretentious or leaving an unfavorable impression. Sometimes I hear things that kinda irk me like "I feel badly" but I'll never attempt to grace them with an impromptu grammar lesson.

    I also recognize that I don't speak perfectly either and that when mistakes are popular enough they'll eventually become recognized as 'proper.'
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    Jan 14, 2013 4:05 PM GMT
    calibro saidbasically, what you're saying is it's not important to write correctly because linguistic utility still exists in instances of flawed grammar; however, that's like saying it doesn't matter if you hit a wrong note when playing a concerto. a wrong note is a wrong note. "who" and "whom" are as different as "i" and "me." if you think it's not poor grammar to conflate the two, then you must also think "me went to the store" is fine. one refers to subjects. one refers to objects. i find it funny that people rant all the time about grammar nazis in spite of the fact that grammar is just a simple list of rules. if you cannot understand basic grammar, it speaks to your inability to handle logic.


    THIS.
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    Jan 14, 2013 4:16 PM GMT
    nicodegallo saidToday's corruptions will become tomorrow's standards, as it has always been the case with most languages especially English icon_lol.gif


    This is true, for example some sources say it is ok to use the word "literally" in a way which is not actually literal e.g. "I was literally on fire yesterday". Also, "probably" used to mean "definitely". Confusing eh?

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/9137930/Meaning-of-literally-shrinking-away.html
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    Jan 14, 2013 4:16 PM GMT
    I'm not going to obsess over grammar or spelling but I look at it this way. Why not just make a tiny amount of effort to understand the difference between too, to, two or their, there, they're etc?

    People claim it doesn't matter, but there are people out there - a lot of them too, that will dismiss your opinions and ideas because you aren't capable of presenting them at a half competent level. Maybe you don't care. But it's an easy disadvantage to correct, so why not just educate yourself and do it properly?
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    Jan 14, 2013 4:17 PM GMT
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    Jan 14, 2013 4:50 PM GMT
    Online poor grammar only bothers me if I cannot understand the message as a whole. The message that someone is expressing is more important than how it is expressed. I think it is ridiculous that some people feel it necessary to ridicule, correct or point out someone’s insignificant grammar mistakes. It’s a sign that they are a perfectionist, and are obsessing on the grammar over actually trying to discern what someone is saying. I wish that the only time a person would be corrected of their grammar is when it is too difficult to read or comprehend. The arrogant uptightness of some people is so… icon_rolleyes.gif
  • Bicuriouscool

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    Jan 14, 2013 4:51 PM GMT
    NYCAthlete saidThe argument here is that if enough people use grammar incorrectly, then it becomes correct. While that's right in the sense that language exists so that a like group of people can communicate with one another, it's also ridiculous since use of incorrect grammar makes communication difficult, unclear and sometimes impossible, negating the entire point of language.

    And there's a big difference between an author, such as Shakespeare, changing grammar through his work and it catching on en mass, compared to millions of people using different grammar in an uncoordinated fashion. Since the latter doesn't have a single source or control it merely spirals out of control and results in a mess of a language or none at all.

    I won't correct your grammar (mine isn't perfect either), but I also won't be too interested to chat with you if you don't know your "yours," "toos," or "theres."

    Just sayin'.

    PS: I'm the son of an Ebglish teacher, so I grew up with a grammar nazi.
    Since you are a son of an English teacher, I would like to teach you a very basic thing about English- that it is spelled E-N-G-L-I-S-H not Ebglish. Have a good day, and remember to do your homework.
    PS. Pissed? Oh, don't take it personally but it was just an example to show how grammer nazis piss people. What's the point of forcing one form of a sentence over another which is equally if not more popular? Or tryin to correct spelling which r obvious, they only save time.
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    Jan 14, 2013 5:01 PM GMT
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    Jan 14, 2013 5:07 PM GMT
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  • rnch

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    Jan 14, 2013 5:42 PM GMT
    rnch saidMy long term friend is a "Grammar Nazi" who used to correct me EVERY chance he got, in public, somewhat snidely, with a superior, haughty attitude and tone to his voice.

    After the table was turned on him, after "I" corrected him a couple of times, using the same exact tone and attitude, he quickly backed off slammimg me in public for my minor transgressions.




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    Sometimes I will mis-pronounce a word or use the incorrect verb tense, on purpose, just to foike with him.



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  • MidwesternKid

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    Jan 14, 2013 5:45 PM GMT
    sc69 saidGrammar.

    Its the difference between knowing your shit and knowing you're shit.

    JK..couldn't resist icon_smile.gif



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