I hate grammar nazis

  • PIccadilly

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    Jan 14, 2013 5:51 PM GMT
    sc69 saidGrammar.

    Its the difference between knowing your shit and knowing you're shit.


    Very well said icon_biggrin.gif

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    The only thing missing from this list is "to" and "too".

    The funny thing is English speakers don't seem to realize how simple English is, and that most of the mistakes they make are easy to recognize and correct. Seriously, how hard is it to get this list straight?
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    Jan 14, 2013 5:59 PM GMT
    I think your all being a bit ridiculous right now. Their are so many ways to communicate out they're that its hard to decide on which method you could of used to convey you're point. Besides, if you would of been more patient with someone's grammar skills you're chances of becoming friends with them would of increased by ALOT! Theirs so much beauty in the English language and if you just give people the chance to speak there minds the world would of been a better place a long time ago.
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    Jan 14, 2013 6:08 PM GMT
    It's also worth mentioning that English is not regulated by any official language academy like French, Spanish, and others. Besides, it's not like we could agree on one standard grammar that would work for all of the English-speaking world. Certain points that are grammatically correct to Americans might sound wrong to the British and vice versa (e.g. such as collective nouns being treated as singular or plural). English in the UK has changed more over time than English in the US and Canada in terms of syntax and phonology. Americans and Canadians have preserved some features of English that were eventually lost in the UK and the rest of the Commonwealth.

    Overall, we simply don't speak the same English that the author of Beowulf would have! Beowulf was supposedly Swedish anyway icon_lol.gif
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    Jan 14, 2013 6:10 PM GMT
    I think grammar is a way of showing your level of education.

    I have to admit though that I still use who and whom wrongly sometimes icon_sad.gif.
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    Jan 14, 2013 6:38 PM GMT
    nicodegallo saidIt's also worth mentioning that English is not regulated by any official language academy like French, Spanish, and others. Besides, it's not like we could agree on one standard grammar that would work for all of the English-speaking world. Certain points that are grammatically correct to Americans might sound wrong to the British and vice versa


    The problem is not about the finer points of grammar that vary culturally. The problem is the overwhelming number of people who were too fucking lazy to grasp and dominate the most basic elementary school grammar concepts and went on in life thinking it was OK to have a shitty, half-assed command of their most essential communication tool.
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    Jan 14, 2013 6:40 PM GMT
    Narciso said
    nicodegallo saidIt's also worth mentioning that English is not regulated by any official language academy like French, Spanish, and others. Besides, it's not like we could agree on one standard grammar that would work for all of the English-speaking world. Certain points that are grammatically correct to Americans might sound wrong to the British and vice versa


    The problem is not about the finer points of grammar that vary culturally. The problem is the overwhelming number of people who were too fucking lazy to grasp and dominate the most basic elementary school grammar concepts and went on in life thinking it was OK to have a shitty, half-assed command of their most essential communication tool.


    I guess if you can't spell it out in writing without fucking something up, you can always gesture towards your crotch when you see a lad who catches your eye. Spare yourself the embarrassment of writing mistakes on Grindr! icon_wink.gif
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    Jan 14, 2013 7:07 PM GMT
    calguy456 saidBAD SPELLERS OF THE WORLD UNTIE! (haha)


    I see what you did there.
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    Jan 14, 2013 7:10 PM GMT
    Gaydar saidI think your all being a bit ridiculous right now. Their are so many ways to communicate out they're that its hard to decide on which method you could of used to convey you're point. Besides, if you would of been more patient with someone's grammar skills you're chances of becoming friends with them would of increased by ALOT! Theirs so much beauty in the English language and if you just give people the chance to speak there minds the world would of been a better place a long time ago.


    I hate to do this, but...

    *There, not their
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    Jan 14, 2013 7:24 PM GMT
    Gaydar saidI think your all being a bit ridiculous right now. Their are so many ways to communicate out they're that its hard to decide on which method you could of used to convey you're point. Besides, if you would of been more patient with someone's grammar skills you're chances of becoming friends with them would of increased by ALOT! Theirs so much beauty in the English language and if you just give people the chance to speak there minds the world would of been a better place a long time ago.


    icon_lol.gificon_lol.gif This paragraph has got to be the epitome of modern grammar...
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    Jan 14, 2013 7:25 PM GMT
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grammar
    ...grammar is the set of structural rules that governs the composition of clauses, phrases, and words in any given natural language. The term refers also to the study of such rules, and this field includes morphology, syntax, and phonology, often complemented by phonetics, semantics, and pragmatics. Linguists do not normally use the term to refer to orthographical rules, although usage books and style guides that call themselves grammars may also refer to spelling and punctuation

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthography
    An orthography is a standardized system for using a particular writing system (script) to write a particular language. It includes rules of spelling; other elements of written language that may also be considered to be part of orthography include hyphenation, capitalization, word breaks, emphasis, and punctuation.

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    Jan 14, 2013 7:27 PM GMT
    And the anti-Google Translator communists! icon_lol.gif
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    Jan 14, 2013 7:32 PM GMT
    We are well into the post literate age. Soon enough forums such as this where 'texting' to share our idiotic opinions with other people who mostly don't give a shit what we think will be a thing of the past and grammar nazis will become speech and video nazis.
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    Jan 14, 2013 8:39 PM GMT
    sc69 saidGrammar.

    Its the difference between knowing your shit and knowing you're shit.

    JK..couldn't resist icon_smile.gif


    OMG LOVE IT!
    Stealing this.... icon_cool.gif
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    Jan 14, 2013 8:41 PM GMT
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    HAHA. Yes.
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    Jan 14, 2013 8:43 PM GMT
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    DITTO.
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    Jan 14, 2013 8:44 PM GMT
    MuonOver said
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    HAHA. Yes.


    Some teachers aren't allowed to use red pen anymore because of the "psychological damage" they can do to kids with the color icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jan 14, 2013 8:53 PM GMT
    nicodegallo said

    Some teachers aren't allowed to use red pen anymore because of the "psychological damage" they can do to kids with the color icon_rolleyes.gif


    ROFL pussies icon_lol.gif At my semi-military prep school in Mexico we were assigned seats in class according to our grades, in addition to having our grades publicly posted on the classroom windows so you could see exactly who was better than you and who was worse. They openly told us the world was competition and we had to learn to compete and strive for improvement. Best fucking education I could have ever received, when I moved to the US for college I slaughtered every class curve in my sleep.
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    Jan 14, 2013 9:09 PM GMT
    mindgarden saidFewer.
    ...fewer grammar nazis...
    not "less" icon_rolleyes.gif


    Nazis not "nazis"
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    Jan 14, 2013 9:10 PM GMT
    Sad, but true: Back in grad skool, I had to take a couple of classes to fulfill requirements, although they were just review for me. I was asked to sit in the back of the room on test days, "so that I wouldn't intimidate the other students."

    Even sadder: When I was teaching sophomore classes at a large urban university, 5 - 10% of the class took their exams in private rooms with proctors, because of "learning disabilities." I was told that they couldn't do math with other people around. WTF? BTW: These students were studying to be nurses, dentists, and optometrists. Always calculate your own dosages before you let one of my former students inject you with anything.

    Edit: Oh, I know what the other side feels like as well. The last class I took was in navigation. I was the LAST one to finish the exams, which was very strange for me. It turns out that I've reached "that certain age" when I can no longer read tiny symbols on a chart without magnification. Of course, that didn't mean that I couldn't finish the test.
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    Jan 14, 2013 9:11 PM GMT
    nicodegallo said
    MuonOver said
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    HAHA. Yes.


    Some teachers aren't allowed to use red pen anymore because of the "psychological damage" they can do to kids with the color icon_rolleyes.gif


    I've heard that in some schools teachers aren't allowed to use billy-clubs anymore because "bruises and broken bones" make "the best witnesses in court".
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    Jan 14, 2013 9:12 PM GMT
    redsoxfan791 said
    Gaydar saidI think your all being a bit ridiculous right now. Their are so many ways to communicate out they're that its hard to decide on which method you could of used to convey you're point. Besides, if you would of been more patient with someone's grammar skills you're chances of becoming friends with them would of increased by ALOT! Theirs so much beauty in the English language and if you just give people the chance to speak there minds the world would of been a better place a long time ago.


    I hate to do this, but...

    *There, not their


    That's all you could find?!
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    Jan 14, 2013 9:23 PM GMT
    Attention to detail / syntax is very revealing about a person.

    If you don't know the difference between "your", and "you're", you have issues. The same applies with "their", "there", and "they're."

    Attention to detail is everything whether it is bodybuilding or combat (especially in combat).

    Many non-U.S. residents actually do English better than U.S. citizens. The U.S. is rated 36'th in academics world-wide. That's shameful.

    If you were born, and raised, in The United States, there's no excuse for you not having a solid command of the language of the land. NONE.

    Clearly, if you are from another part of The World, or, exist within an urban subculture, you may struggle with communications. That's forgivable.
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    Jan 14, 2013 9:24 PM GMT
    Gaydar said
    redsoxfan791 said
    Gaydar saidI think your all being a bit ridiculous right now. Their are so many ways to communicate out they're that its hard to decide on which method you could of used to convey you're point. Besides, if you would of been more patient with someone's grammar skills you're chances of becoming friends with them would of increased by ALOT! Theirs so much beauty in the English language and if you just give people the chance to speak there minds the world would of been a better place a long time ago.


    I hate to do this, but...

    *There, not their


    That's all you could find?!


    LOL,
    which is worse? making grammar mistakes or failing to understand satire and irony?.
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    Jan 14, 2013 9:34 PM GMT
    calibro saidbasically, what you're saying is it's not important to write correctly because linguistic utility still exists in instances of flawed grammar; however, that's like saying it doesn't matter if you hit a wrong note when playing a concerto. a wrong note is a wrong note. "who" and "whom" are as different as "i" and "me." if you think it's not poor grammar to conflate the two, then you must also think "me went to the store" is fine. one refers to subjects. one refers to objects. i find it funny that people rant all the time about grammar nazis in spite of the fact that grammar is just a simple list of rules. if you cannot understand basic grammar, it speaks to your inability to handle logic.


    Calibro you obviously did not read the link I posted( http://ling.kgw.tu-berlin.de/lexicography/data/MAVENS.html) because it addresses the points you make, especially that concerning "Me went to the store". My point is not that it's okay to use flawed grammar. My point is that what people think of as flawed grammar is not actually flawed to begin with. It's the proscribed rules we learn in school which are flawed because they are ignorant of the broader innate grammar rules that each and every one of us already possess.



    Here is an excerpt which discusses why you are wrong:

    Turning to the Democrats, Safire gets on Bill Clinton's case, as he puts it, for asking voters to "give Al Gore and I a chance to bring America back." No one would say give I a break, because the indirect object of give must have accusative case. So it should be give Al Gore and me a chance.

    Probably no "grammatical error" has received as much scorn as "misuse" of pronoun case inside conjunctions (phrases containing two elements joined by and or or). What teenager has not been

    corrected for saying Me and Jennifer are going to the mall? A colleague of mine recalls that when she was twelve, her mother would not allow her to have her ears pierced until she stopped saying it. The standard story is that the accusative pronoun me does not belong in subject position—no one would say Me is going to the mall—so it should be Jennifer and l. People tend to misremember the advice as "When in doubt, 'say so-and-so and I,' not 'so-and-so and me,'" so they unthinkingly overapply it—a process linguists call hypercorrection— resulting in "mistakes" like give Al Gore and I a chance and the even more despised between you and I.

    But if the person on the street is so good at avoiding Me isgoing and Give I a break, and if even Ivy League professors and former Rhodes Scholars can't seem to avoid Me and Jennifer are going and Give Al and I a chance, might it not be the mavens that misunderstand English grammar, not the speakers? The mavens' case about case rests on one assumption: if an entire conjunction phrase has a grammatical feature like subject case, every word inside that phrase has to have that grammatical feature, too. But that is just false.

    Jennifer is singular; you say Jennifer is, not Jennifer are. The pronoun She is singular; you say She is, not She are. But the conjunction She and Jennifer is not singular, it's plural; you say She and Jennifer are, not She and Jennifer is. So if a conjunction can have a different grammatical number from the pronouns inside it (She and Jennifer are), why must it have the same grammatical case as the pronouns inside it (Give Al Gore and I a chance)? The answer is that it need not. A conjunction is an example of a "headless" construction. Recall that the head of a phrase is the word that stands for the whole phrase. In the phrase the tall blond man with one black shoe, the head is the word man, because the entire phrase gets its properties from man— the phrase refers to a kind of man, and is third person singular, because that's what man is. But a conjunction has no head; it is not the same as any of its parts. If John and Marsha met, it does not mean that John met and that Marsha met. If voters give Clinton and Gore a chance, they are not giving Gore his own chance, added on to the chance they are giving Clinton; they are giving the entire ticket a chance. So just because Me and Jennifer is a subject that requires subject case, it does not mean that Me is a subject that requires subject case, and just because Al Gore and I is an object that requires object case, it does not mean that I is an object that requires object case.

    On grammatical grounds, the pronoun is free to have any case it wants. The linguist Joseph Emonds analyzed the Me and Jennifer/ Between you and I phenomenon in great technical detail. He concludes that the language that the mavens want us to speak is not only not English, it is not a possible human language!
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    Jan 14, 2013 9:51 PM GMT
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    "Alot" is not a word.