Shaming fat people into losing weight is the only way to solve obesity epidemic, leading health academic claims

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    Jan 27, 2013 2:43 AM GMT
    HottJoe saidI love donuts. icon_razz.gif



    mmmm...donut =o
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    Donuts con Nutella y un cortado...

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    Jan 27, 2013 3:19 AM GMT

    "Shaming... only way to solve obesity epidemic." Not true! We can always go back to the good ol' days of the early 20th century American and Nazis eugenics program. We don't have to shame people in to losing weight, we can just improve our genetic stock by only allowing beautiful people to reproduce.

    Only let mesomorphs and ectomorphs breed with each other. Gather all the endomorphs and move them to a barren desert and make them starve to death without reproducing. Better yet, we could create a reality T.V. series like the Hunger Games, but instead of sending our children to fight to the death, we would send all the fatties. The challenge would be seeing who could last the longest without food or any kind of survival gear. It would be pure carnage! All those fatties would have to eat each other just to survive. Voila! In the end, they will have been eaten by the sole survivor who then gets sterilized and can't reproduce. Well, epidemic is over and only the beautiful, fit people will inherit the Earth. The End...
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    Jan 27, 2013 3:22 AM GMT
    This thread reminds me how I got to trim the fat out my head, while finding places where others have foolish fatheads like me.
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    Jan 27, 2013 3:25 AM GMT
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    Jan 27, 2013 3:28 AM GMT
    He_Man said
    "Shaming... only way to solve obesity epidemic." Not true! We can always go back to the good ol' days of the early 20th century American and Nazis eugenics program. We don't have to shame people in to losing weight, we can just improve our genetic stock by only allowing beautiful people to reproduce.

    Only let mesomorphs and ectomorphs breed with each other. Gather all the endomorphs and move them to a barren desert and make them starve to death without reproducing. Better yet, we could create a reality T.V. series like the Hunger Games, but instead of sending our children to fight to the death, we would send all the fatties. The challenge would be seeing who could last the longest without food or any kind of survival gear. It would be pure carnage! All those fatties would have to eat each other just to survive. Voila! In the end, they will have been eaten by the sole survivor who then gets sterilized and can't reproduce. Well, epidemic is over and only the beautiful, fit people will inherit the Earth. The End...


    What about endomorphs who use their body type towards athletic goals? It would be a sad day to kill off all the hot bodybuilders icon_cry.gif
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    Jan 27, 2013 3:33 AM GMT
    seafrontbloke saidMaybe industrial foodstuffs like HFCS are part of the problem.

    HFCS = ?????
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    Jan 27, 2013 3:34 AM GMT
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    seafrontbloke saidMaybe industrial foodstuffs like HFCS are part of the problem.

    HFCS = ?????


    high-fructose corn syrup
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    Jan 27, 2013 3:34 AM GMT
    mileshelvetica said
    seafrontbloke saidMaybe industrial foodstuffs like HFCS are part of the problem.

    HFCS = ?????


    high fructose corn syrup
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    Jan 27, 2013 3:41 AM GMT
    nicodegallo said
    mileshelvetica said
    seafrontbloke saidMaybe industrial foodstuffs like HFCS are part of the problem.

    HFCS = ?????


    high-fructose corn syrup


    Thanks! As I read through the rest of the thread I figured it out. D'oh!!
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    Jan 27, 2013 3:44 AM GMT
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    He_Man said
    "Shaming... only way to solve obesity epidemic." Not true! We can always go back to the good ol' days of the early 20th century American and Nazis eugenics program. We don't have to shame people in to losing weight, we can just improve our genetic stock by only allowing beautiful people to reproduce.

    Only let mesomorphs and ectomorphs breed with each other. Gather all the endomorphs and move them to a barren desert and make them starve to death without reproducing. Better yet, we could create a reality T.V. series like the Hunger Games, but instead of sending our children to fight to the death, we would send all the fatties. The challenge would be seeing who could last the longest without food or any kind of survival gear. It would be pure carnage! All those fatties would have to eat each other just to survive. Voila! In the end, they will have been eaten by the sole survivor who then gets sterilized and can't reproduce. Well, epidemic is over and only the beautiful, fit people will inherit the Earth. The End...


    What about endomorphs who use their body type towards athletic goals? It would be a sad day to kill off all the hot bodybuilders icon_cry.gif


    The best bodybuilders are mesomorphs with ectomporphic qualities. They gain muscle rather easily, but they stay lean due to their ectomorphic qualities. Endomorphs make great weightlifters/powerlifters and guys you see in the Strongman competitions, but they don't make the best bodybuilders.
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    Jan 27, 2013 3:52 AM GMT
    Chuckystud said:

    I have a guy who works on my old truck, Mike. Mike is a type 2 diabetic who refuses to exercise. Logan and I gave him insulin, which he refused to take. He walks around with his blood sugar at 400. Mike had two toes cut off about three years ago. I saw Mike a couple of month's ago, still smoking, still drinking, still not exercising, still refusing to take his insulin, minus 3 more tows (all on his right foot), and with a staph infection in his foot (he was about to lose his foot, too). Mike is my age, and REFUSES to change his life style and has actually scolded me for mine. Off with the foot he goes. It's very...well...frustrating...sad..[/quote]

    You gave him insulin . . . is one of you a doctor? Not trying to mean-mouth, just surprised that someone withou professional medical credentials would do that. Is there something about you that perhaps I have missed? Just asking
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    Jan 27, 2013 3:55 AM GMT
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    The best bodybuilders are mesomorphs with ectomporphic qualities. They gain muscle rather easily, but they stay lean due to their ectomorphic qualities. Endomorphs make great weightlifters/powerlifters and guys you see in the Strongman competitions, but they don't make the best bodybuilders.


    You don't necessarily need to be the BEST bodybuilder to be a hot one.
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    Jan 27, 2013 3:57 AM GMT
    This is discouraging. Shaming/humiliating people is rarely an effective tactic of persuasion and is usually more likely to turn people away and make them more entrenched in their existing habits. I have friends who scoff at fitness and nutrition because of judgmental people who act as if it makes them superior. People like this don't help the cause.
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    Jan 27, 2013 4:06 AM GMT
    JimmyMTL said...I can honestly say that "education" is not the answer.

    Anyone who believes that the majority of fat people don't know they are fat, or that they don't know the difference between healthy and unhealthy foods (or portion size) is deluding themselves.

    I thank you for saying what, surprisingly, I have never read. I thought I was going to be the first to say that education wasn't the answer - that anyone knows that vegetables are healthier than doughnuts and that while organic produce and meats can be expensive, most people can afford non-organic vegetables and lean meats, particularly with the added savings they'd accrue by not spending their money on processed food. This is not rocket science. Anyone knows that barring some rare medical condition that eating less will result in weight loss. Knowing this involves no advanced degree. A person claiming that the obese need to be "educated" isn't giving them enough credit. Most obese people, particularly those who don't eat to self-medicate, won't be shamed into a healthier lifestyle, especially if you use the argument that they should do so for the greater good (i.e. to reduce health care costs for everyone). They're not ignorant. They're self-involved, moreso than any health nut - living for immediate gratification. I should know because I was one of them, and what changed me was a good old-fashioned scare - I was diagnosed as Type 2 diabetic. Not anymore!

    In short, shaming the obese will not work. An outright junk food ban might help but would outrage everyone - look what happened when only supersized soft drinks were banned in Manhattan. Hitting 'em in their wallet with a junk food tax might curb their appetites for cheetos, but if tobacco taxes alone never significantly reduced smoking it might not. Making smoking more inconvenient by banning it indoors got folk to quit, but perhaps the obese would drive across state lines for fries. We can't help the obese decide to change because since people in general do whatever the hell they want why wouldn't they?

    As for fat people who are too ashamed to work out publicly I can't credit them for thinking as I did as a former fat person - at 260 lbs I started working out at the #1 hardcore bodybuilding gym in the northeast precisely because I knew that absolutely no one would be looking at me if I were fat and if the sight of me offended them, they'd have to deal with it. That mindset got me to 180 lbs. So I doubly applaud any fat person who can get over themselves and just go.
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    Jan 27, 2013 4:14 AM GMT
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    calibro saidif this technique worked, then my public shaming of you of for being an illogical goon would have forced you to take even a modicum of reflection before posting such noxious links. clearly, this approach is not working.


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    Jan 27, 2013 4:22 AM GMT
    This topic makes me want to go back to the gym next monday morning so bad lol...

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    mileshelvetica saidChuckystud said:

    I have a guy who works on my old truck, Mike. Mike is a type 2 diabetic who refuses to exercise. Logan and I gave him insulin, which he refused to take. He walks around with his blood sugar at 400. Mike had two toes cut off about three years ago. I saw Mike a couple of month's ago, still smoking, still drinking, still not exercising, still refusing to take his insulin, minus 3 more tows (all on his right foot), and with a staph infection in his foot (he was about to lose his foot, too). Mike is my age, and REFUSES to change his life style and has actually scolded me for mine. Off with the foot he goes. It's very...well...frustrating...sad..


    You gave him insulin . . . is one of you a doctor? Not trying to mean-mouth, just surprised that someone withou professional medical credentials would do that. Is there something about you that perhaps I have missed? Just asking [/quote]

    Good point! Unless the insulin being given was prescribed by Mike's doctor. Normally, type 2 diabetics are insulin resistant and they usually need a medication such as Metformin to keep their blood sugar under control.

    Still, there are many other health detriments to consider with an uncontrolled blood sugar. Blindness, heart disease and kidney failure just to name a few.
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    Jan 27, 2013 4:39 AM GMT
    He_Man said
    Bromoflexual said
    He_Man said
    "Shaming... only way to solve obesity epidemic." Not true! We can always go back to the good ol' days of the early 20th century American and Nazis eugenics program. We don't have to shame people in to losing weight, we can just improve our genetic stock by only allowing beautiful people to reproduce.

    Only let mesomorphs and ectomorphs breed with each other. Gather all the endomorphs and move them to a barren desert and make them starve to death without reproducing. Better yet, we could create a reality T.V. series like the Hunger Games, but instead of sending our children to fight to the death, we would send all the fatties. The challenge would be seeing who could last the longest without food or any kind of survival gear. It would be pure carnage! All those fatties would have to eat each other just to survive. Voila! In the end, they will have been eaten by the sole survivor who then gets sterilized and can't reproduce. Well, epidemic is over and only the beautiful, fit people will inherit the Earth. The End...


    What about endomorphs who use their body type towards athletic goals? It would be a sad day to kill off all the hot bodybuilders icon_cry.gif


    The best bodybuilders are mesomorphs with ectomporphic qualities. They gain muscle rather easily, but they stay lean due to their ectomorphic qualities. Endomorphs make great weightlifters/powerlifters and guys you see in the Strongman competitions, but they don't make the best bodybuilders.


    I'll take an athletic endomorph any day. It would be a shame if we lost all those hot rugby players etc.
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    Jan 27, 2013 6:08 AM GMT
    mileshelvetica saidChuckystud said:

    I have a guy who works on my old truck, Mike. Mike is a type 2 diabetic who refuses to exercise. Logan and I gave him insulin, which he refused to take. He walks around with his blood sugar at 400. Mike had two toes cut off about three years ago. I saw Mike a couple of month's ago, still smoking, still drinking, still not exercising, still refusing to take his insulin, minus 3 more tows (all on his right foot), and with a staph infection in his foot (he was about to lose his foot, too). Mike is my age, and REFUSES to change his life style and has actually scolded me for mine. Off with the foot he goes. It's very...well...frustrating...sad..


    You gave him insulin . . . is one of you a doctor? Not trying to mean-mouth, just surprised that someone withou professional medical credentials would do that. Is there something about you that perhaps I have missed? Just asking [/quote]

    1. You can buy insulin over the counter.
    2. Mike had a blood sugar of 400. (Re-read the article.)
    3. He had a prescription but didn't fill it, saying he didn't have the money.
    4. Mike also had Metformin, but, no insulin.

    When someone has a blood sugar of 400, you don't need to be a doctor to know how to get the blood sugar down. Doh. The remark really shows your ignorance, about insulin, law, and blood sugar. I know all about insulin resistance, and diabetes.

    In as few as three weight bearing sessions a week, type 2 diabetes can be eliminated. Period. (I actually sometimes go hypo, and my insulin sensitivity is around .8 to .9.)

    I lived with a type 1 diabetic for many years, and was it a point to be well informed on this.

    We gave Mike the insulin, because he claimed he couldn't afford it.

    That all being said, many doctors are clueless, and / or stuck years back in their training.
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    Jan 27, 2013 2:05 PM GMT
    I'd like to say, I'm between overweight and obese... And you're right, shaming won't help me change my habits. For example:

    I've read all of this topic, and I wrote: ''This topic makes me want to go back to the gym next monday morning so bad lol''

    I should have written a follow-up to that saying:

    ''But in the end, it's just not enough, and it only makes me feel more self-conscious and depressed that I'm unable to go back. You know, because I'm ALREADY too ashamed of showing myself at a gym where there's mostly only hot people like the guys on RJ.

    Looking at them makes me feel even more ashamed, since I wish I looked like them, but I don't WANT it enough. I only WISH I could look like that. And then the thought leaves my mind when I think about how painful it would be to have all those fit guys look at me with disgust and shame to see me in the same room as them, even though I would only be there to better my health condition.

    I can't know if they DO judge me or not, I judge myself, so the others must too, right...? right...?

    This is why shaming won't work. I feel enough shame already. It just makes me want to stay away from the places with hot guys, as I just look at them, admire them, and then tell myself that I'm too much of a loser to ever be able to become part of them.

    Education would help, that IS true. But if you think we don't know that veggies are better than fast food, or that we aren't noticing that we're fat and unhealthy, you're very wrong. Being shamed is also what prevents us from starting a healthy lifestyle.

    After all, I got bullied all the time in high school for being fat. It didn't make me lose weight. It made me eat more to make myself feel better.
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    Jan 27, 2013 2:25 PM GMT
    ...this is how anorexics are born. And look at the progress they've made!

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    Jan 27, 2013 3:02 PM GMT
    How come many people are talking about being embarrassed at the gym when the act of going there and working out is just one part of what it takes to look fit? Apparently no one is thinking about what those hot people do in the remaining 23h of their day... is there any shame involved in eating healthy foods in the privacy of your home?
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    Jan 27, 2013 3:08 PM GMT
    Narciso saidSlut shaming's still acceptable tho right?

    God I hope so.