Shaming fat people into losing weight is the only way to solve obesity epidemic, leading health academic claims

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    Jan 28, 2013 5:38 AM GMT
    danisnotstr8 saidIf we shame smoking, then we need to shame overeating, not obesity. Shaming obesity is like shaming lung cancer. It does no good. One of my best friends is on a massive weight loss plan. He is doing it because he wants to cure his disease, not because he feels bad for being fat.
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    Jan 28, 2013 5:40 AM GMT
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    sonicpower19 saidAn interesting macro perspective on obesity is for advertising companies to increase some more time into creating healthy food ads. The worst part about a bad diet, is the amount of sodium intake and that increases the chance for health defects.

    However, one can't force someone to change. One has to have that "epiphany moment" in order to start. Once that person realizes he or she needs to change their dieting and working out, it is best that friends and family encourage their goals. Belittling others for their personal choices only expresses the insecurity or frustration within yourself. It is a form of bullying, which I'm sure we all oppose.

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    So belittling someone who wants to fuck his younger cousin is just an insecurity?


    ^ That was a huge leap.
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    Jan 28, 2013 6:37 AM GMT
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    WaytoDawn saidEveryone has a right to their own lifestyle choices. The only way you can help someone is if they want to accept help, and truely work towards a goal.

    I do admit though, that society has become too accepting of obesity. When it becomes a norm, people rarely care.
    That's the whole point.

    Weho and South Beach are ahead of their times. Those are the only two places in the US where obesity is still taboo. icon_wink.gif

    Acid flashback...on some comedy show in the '70s when I was a kid I remember a skit about efforts to beautify Beverly Hills by imposing weight limits - they showed a cop running his siren and flashing his lights, getting out of his vehicle and approaching two women walking on the sidewalk and saying "Could you please get on the scale, ma'am?" before issuing her a citation. That drew big yuks back then.
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    Jan 28, 2013 6:55 AM GMT
    We as americans are uneducated i dont care what anyone says, im still having a hard time deciphering all this diet crap and i really try, ya sure some of it is obvious, like a salad is better than a snickers bar, but what about healthy vs unhealthy fats, macro nutrient breakdowns, carb cycling, theres so much its simply flat out overwhelming, telling people to eat more often to lose weight and they think ur mad, iv talked to tons of ppl giving em tips as best as i understand to help em gain and lose, but in all honesty its not as simple as everyone on here is making it out to be, look around damn im hungry, no time to cook, need food where do u go to grab something healthy, no idea subway? Even that can be hit or miss, wendys has some tasty salads but arent some of those as bad as big macs? At some of the mcdonalds here they post calories next to the meals so u can see just how gross what ur eating is, thats a good start but its not enough, people are discouraged from movement on any level, go shoping, then try walking to the next store, ull get killed trying to cross the highway. Everyone has cable and central air, damn i hate tv. kids dont "go out and play" like before, my mom kicked my ass outta tha house sunup to sundown, come in for lunch, many jobs are stuck in an office, sit in a chair no exercise at all. And even eatin at home is confusing, hey soups healthy right? Nope waaaay too much sodium, it doesnt need to be cake and ice cream to wreck ur day, what about enriched flour and what the hell is a glycemic index?! All in all i think the fat ppl dont try to change it, not because theyre lazy but they just dont have a clue where to start, i started lifting with no idea what i was doing and i got there, but damn it was so much harder than it needed to be cause i was sortin through tons of garbage and conflicting advice none it made sense, everything was take this powder, do reverse 3 fingered inverted upside down barbell curls for 8-11 reps but not 12, if u do 12 ull overtrain and all of it wiil be a waste. i was so frustrated i nearly gave up so many times(did give up). This is the same problem i think many fat ppl experience. And on top of that they dont believe that they can do it, all they need is some positive you can do it kina shit, the only time you see that is this guy lost 40 lbs taking this pill, the fat ppl wave the bullshit flag and rightfully so. I cant belive how many "hardgainers" ive talked to that jus need someone to spell it out in the simplest terms possible with a simple straight approach, ppl scream diet but no one says eat 15 lbs of ckn breast a week cook it all at once on thursday and 1 cup of brocoli a day, nobody tells em that, y the fuck not! Make it simple get em started and they run from there, here, Eat this, this, and this, do this, this, and this, for 40 minutes 4x a week, heres a video showin u how, its 6 minutes long. results garunteed! And where the fuck is our government on this nobody can tell me they couldnt simply come up with a numbering system 1-10 in huge numbers on every piece of food, 1 being this will make u a fatass, 10 being ur gonna be jacked. There i just took complicated out of it for everyone. Encouragement and simplicity are whats needed here ppl need to belive they can do it, former fatties need to reach out and help, i was never fat but damn i do my best anytime anybody asks, and the smoking shame thing did work but i still hate that tactic. The whole system is fractured and i jus fixed it with my numbering system wtf, i guess thats wat we mechanics do, fix shit : p (sry for tha rant)
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    Jan 28, 2013 7:27 AM GMT
    Johnnyhotsauce said The whole system is fractured and i jus fixed it with my numbering system wtf, i guess thats wat we mechanics do, fix shit : p (sry for tha rant)


    I got hard reading that icon_lol.gificon_redface.gif


    I agree. It all comes down to education of food; what it contains, where it comes from and what it does to your body.
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    Jan 28, 2013 7:53 AM GMT
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    Johnnyhotsauce said The whole system is fractured and i jus fixed it with my numbering system wtf, i guess thats wat we mechanics do, fix shit : p (sry for tha rant)


    I got hard reading that icon_lol.gificon_redface.gif


    I agree. It all comes down to education of food; what it contains, where it comes from and what it does to your body.


    Lmao! icon_biggrin.gif it just frustrates me tha shit is so complicated, damn! jus make it simple, waaay over simple, options, nope no options, do this and it will work. add detail and options as people learn. I tried one of the diets on here, even that was complicated i thought. Surely we cn do better. I think we hate options and they confuse us to the point of giving up. Jus get ppl started.
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    Jan 28, 2013 8:04 AM GMT
    Most people are really ignorant of healthy food choices. The only really good choices are fresh quality proteins and fresh organic vegetables and some healthy fats.
    But that's like speaking a foreign language to most Americans and those who want to live like us. 80% of most grocery stores, even the best, are full of processed foods which are usually loaded with chemicals that affect brain chemistry, insulin resistance, satiety / leptin resistance.

    We've been fed so many lies over the decades from agencies purported to protect consumers but turn out to be PR for mega food producers.

    I have an aunt who is obese, motivated to change, but not making progress, despite exercising every day. I try to explain about healthy oils that are actually good for you, like coconut oil and truly organic butter, from pastured cows; another HEALTH food. They can actually help you lose weight. Instead she stocks up on fat free prepared foods and margarine. A generation and a half have been brainwashed by the USDA and FDA
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    Jan 28, 2013 8:06 AM GMT
    wild_sky360 saidThe only really good choices are fresh quality proteins and fresh organic vegetables and some healthy fats.


    Advocating a zero carbohydrate diet is conducive to health.
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    Jan 28, 2013 8:12 AM GMT
    Jewlicious saidI tried this with my bf. does not work, you just end up contributing to the problem and creating emotional hurt. Don't do it



    The hell with shame. Start rewarding the fit rather than punishing them by exhorting them to pay for the health problems of the obese.
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    Jan 28, 2013 8:20 AM GMT
    Johnnyhotsauce saidWe as americans are uneducated i dont care what anyone says ... (sry for tha rant)


    Oh, Johnny, you're a hoot! You tell'em! Oh, and who needs paragraphs, either. They just end up in the way and confuse people. HEwink.gif
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    Jan 28, 2013 8:25 AM GMT
    *continues to advertise McDonalds and other junk foods on television in HD*
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    Jan 28, 2013 8:35 AM GMT
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    Johnnyhotsauce saidWe as americans are uneducated i dont care what anyone says ... (sry for tha rant)


    Oh, Johnny, you're a hoot! You tell'em! Oh, and who needs paragraphs, either. They just end up in the way and confuse people. HEwink.gif


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    Jan 28, 2013 8:50 AM GMT
    Narciso said
    wild_sky360 saidThe only really good choices are fresh quality proteins and fresh organic vegetables and some healthy fats.


    Advocating a zero carbohydrate diet is conducive to health.


    vegetables are good carbs. If you're not an endurance athlete, it's probably best to avoid high glycemic carbs; especially true if you are overweight and at a loss to why it won't come off.
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    Jan 28, 2013 8:56 AM GMT
    Narciso said
    wild_sky360 saidThe only really good choices are fresh quality proteins and fresh organic vegetables and some healthy fats.


    Advocating a zero carbohydrate diet is conducive to health.


    I personally notice the difference. I can eat as much as i wish from those categories, feel satisfied, and lose fat.

    The occasional indulgence doesn't matter, but when I regularly include things like corn and pasta,, mashed potatoes, etc, I feel hungry all the time, my blood sugar spikes and falls, and I put on weight.

    My main point was that those are categories of foods that can be obtained relatively clean. The prepared foods are what I believe wreak havoc with metabolism and even mood disorders.
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    Jan 28, 2013 9:00 AM GMT
    rugbyjockca saidIf that's the only way to eliminate the epidemic, then let's keep the epidemic and start focusing on eliminating the assholes.
    i totally agree
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    Jan 28, 2013 9:14 AM GMT
    Education is a core element I totally agree but the government also needs to stop subsidising crappy food and help out with fruit/vegetables.

    It just seems crazy to me that it's cheaper to buy a chocolate bar than it is to buy fresh fruit.
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    Jan 28, 2013 9:55 AM GMT
    whateveryo saidEducation is a core element I totally agree but the government also needs to stop subsidising crappy food and help out with fruit/vegetables.

    It just seems crazy to me that it's cheaper to buy a chocolate bar than it is to buy fresh fruit.


    +1 - absolutely! couldn't agree more.
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    Jan 28, 2013 12:51 PM GMT
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    danisnotstr8 saidIf we shame smoking, then we need to shame overeating, not obesity. Shaming obesity is like shaming lung cancer. It does no good. One of my best friends is on a massive weight loss plan. He is doing it because he wants to cure his disease, not because he feels bad for being fat.
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    Jan 29, 2013 2:46 AM GMT
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    SirAndy said
    Johnnyhotsauce said The whole system is fractured and i jus fixed it with my numbering system wtf, i guess thats wat we mechanics do, fix shit : p (sry for tha rant)


    I got hard reading that icon_lol.gificon_redface.gif


    I agree. It all comes down to education of food; what it contains, where it comes from and what it does to your body.


    Lmao! icon_biggrin.gif it just frustrates me tha shit is so complicated, damn! jus make it simple, waaay over simple, options, nope no options, do this and it will work. add detail and options as people learn. I tried one of the diets on here, even that was complicated i thought. Surely we cn do better. I think we hate options and they confuse us to the point of giving up. Jus get ppl started.


    You don't have to. No one expects everyone to treat their own diseases, pull their own teeth, or sew their own clothes. We have professionals to do that. If you're serious about it, then hire someone who does know. Hire a dietitian who can walk you through things and keep you on track.
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    Jan 29, 2013 2:53 AM GMT
    danisnotstr8 saidIf we shame smoking, then we need to shame overeating, not obesity.


    How do you define overeating? What if someone with an extremely fast metabolism eats 7 bigs macs a day and is completely ripped? Yet someone who only eats 1 a day is morbidly obese? The only way you can identify overeating is if the person accumulates more calories than their body burns for the amount they eat, i.e. obesity.
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    Jan 29, 2013 2:57 AM GMT
    Narciso is my new personal trainer. He greases himself up with bacon drippings and runs ahead of me, just staying out of reach. If I catch him, I get to keep him. I lost 40 pounds so far. :yay:
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    Jan 29, 2013 2:57 AM GMT
    Narciso said
    danisnotstr8 saidIf we shame smoking, then we need to shame overeating, not obesity.


    How do you define overeating? What if someone with an extremely fast metabolism eats 7 bigs macs a day and is completely ripped? Yet someone who only eats 1 a day is morbidly obese? The only way you can identify overeating is if the person accumulates more calories than their body burns for the amount they eat, i.e. obesity.


    At the same time 80% of lung cancers are caused by first degree smoking, making 80% of cases voluntary and avoidable. Likely more are avoidable, since if first hand goes, so does second hand.
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    Jan 29, 2013 3:02 AM GMT
    Timbales saidNarciso is my new personal trainer. He greases himself up with bacon drippings and runs ahead of me, just staying out of reach. If I catch him, I get to keep him. I lost 40 pounds so far. :yay:

    It's a win-win situation. 95% of the time I forget personal training is the reason why I'm greasing myself up with the bacon grease.
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    Jan 29, 2013 3:05 AM GMT
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    Timbales saidNarciso is my new personal trainer. He greases himself up with bacon drippings and runs ahead of me, just staying out of reach. If I catch him, I get to keep him. I lost 40 pounds so far. :yay:

    It's a win-win situation. 95% of the time I forget personal training is the reason why I'm greasing myself up with the bacon grease.


    but the you see something shiny and chase a kite or ice cream truck
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    Narciso said
    Timbales saidNarciso is my new personal trainer. He greases himself up with bacon drippings and runs ahead of me, just staying out of reach. If I catch him, I get to keep him. I lost 40 pounds so far. :yay:

    It's a win-win situation. 95% of the time I forget personal training is the reason why I'm greasing myself up with the bacon grease.


    but the you see something shiny and chase a kite or ice cream truck


    Hey I brought you ice cream back last time! icon_redface.gif