Shaming fat people into losing weight is the only way to solve obesity epidemic, leading health academic claims

  • Timbales

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    Jan 29, 2013 3:18 AM GMT
    Narciso said

    Hey I brought you ice cream back last time! icon_redface.gif


    it was melted and you had chewed on the stick icon_cry.gif
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    Jan 29, 2013 3:26 AM GMT
    Timbales said
    Narciso said

    Hey I brought you ice cream back last time! icon_redface.gif


    it was melted and you had chewed on the stick icon_cry.gif


    The stick looked so chewy... icon_redface.gif
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    Jan 29, 2013 3:28 AM GMT
    Narciso said
    Timbales said
    Narciso said

    Hey I brought you ice cream back last time! icon_redface.gif


    it was melted and you had chewed on the stick icon_cry.gif


    The stick looked so chewy... icon_redface.gif


    it's not your fault, you're still teething
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    Jan 29, 2013 3:57 AM GMT
    wild_sky360 saidMost people are really ignorant of healthy food choices. The only really good choices are fresh quality proteins and fresh organic vegetables and some healthy fats.
    But that's like speaking a foreign language to most Americans and those who want to live like us. 80% of most grocery stores, even the best, are full of processed foods which are usually loaded with chemicals that affect brain chemistry, insulin resistance, satiety / leptin resistance.

    Oh god, not this again. Yes, organic, free range, cruelty free, non-GMO, maybe even vegan is the way to go but most people are unwilling or unable to pay for that. Most uneducated folk, developmentally disabled even, know that directing the money spent on junk food towards regular chicken and produce from ordinary supermarkets will go a long way towards reducing obesity. Cancer, maybe not. But obesity? Yeah. Stop blaming ignorance for obesity - people know exactly what they're doing. Maybe they don't know that avocados and nuts are fattening but they sure know those huge portions of cake, McDonalds and potato chips are.
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    Jan 29, 2013 3:59 AM GMT
    Medjai said
    Johnnyhotsauce said
    SirAndy said
    Johnnyhotsauce said The whole system is fractured and i jus fixed it with my numbering system wtf, i guess thats wat we mechanics do, fix shit : p (sry for tha rant)


    I got hard reading that icon_lol.gificon_redface.gif


    I agree. It all comes down to education of food; what it contains, where it comes from and what it does to your body.


    Lmao! icon_biggrin.gif it just frustrates me tha shit is so complicated, damn! jus make it simple, waaay over simple, options, nope no options, do this and it will work. add detail and options as people learn. I tried one of the diets on here, even that was complicated i thought. Surely we cn do better. I think we hate options and they confuse us to the point of giving up. Jus get ppl started.


    You don't have to. No one expects everyone to treat their own diseases, pull their own teeth, or sew their own clothes. We have professionals to do that. If you're serious about it, then hire someone who does know. Hire a dietitian who can walk you through things and keep you on track.


    In my experience its always been want somethin done right do it yourself
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    Jan 29, 2013 4:00 AM GMT
    Timbales said
    Narciso said
    Timbales said
    Narciso said

    Hey I brought you ice cream back last time! icon_redface.gif


    it was melted and you had chewed on the stick icon_cry.gif


    The stick looked so chewy... icon_redface.gif


    it's not your fault, you're still teething


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    Jan 29, 2013 4:02 AM GMT
    Narciso said
    Timbales said
    Narciso said
    Timbales said
    Narciso said

    Hey I brought you ice cream back last time! icon_redface.gif


    it was melted and you had chewed on the stick icon_cry.gif


    The stick looked so chewy... icon_redface.gif


    it's not your fault, you're still teething


    cute-puppies5.jpg


    how can I stay and? wook at that wittle face
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    Jan 30, 2013 4:00 PM GMT
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    danisnotstr8 saidIf we shame smoking, then we need to shame overeating, not obesity.


    How do you define overeating? What if someone with an extremely fast metabolism eats 7 bigs macs a day and is completely ripped? Yet someone who only eats 1 a day is morbidly obese? The only way you can identify overeating is if the person accumulates more calories than their body burns for the amount they eat, i.e. obesity.


    At the same time 80% of lung cancers are caused by first degree smoking, making 80% of cases voluntary and avoidable. Likely more are avoidable, since if first hand goes, so does second hand.


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    Jan 30, 2013 4:02 PM GMT
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    rugbyjockca saidIf that's the only way to eliminate the epidemic, then let's keep the epidemic and start focusing on eliminating the assholes.
    i totally agree


    Ignorant people. When you're paying $1000 a month for insurance, that's why.
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    Jan 30, 2013 4:03 PM GMT
    HndsmKansan saidWhat a ridiculous approach. They need to be encouraged through positive reinforcement. I would assume they get shame on a daily basis already.


    LOL. You don't look like you're a pound over 400 today. ROFL.
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    Jan 30, 2013 4:09 PM GMT
    Flamesoul saidI'd like to say, I'm between overweight and obese... And you're right, shaming won't help me change my habits. For example:

    I've read all of this topic, and I wrote: ''This topic makes me want to go back to the gym next monday morning so bad lol''

    I should have written a follow-up to that saying:

    ''But in the end, it's just not enough, and it only makes me feel more self-conscious and depressed that I'm unable to go back. You know, because I'm ALREADY too ashamed of showing myself at a gym where there's mostly only hot people like the guys on RJ.

    Looking at them makes me feel even more ashamed, since I wish I looked like them, but I don't WANT it enough. I only WISH I could look like that. And then the thought leaves my mind when I think about how painful it would be to have all those fit guys look at me with disgust and shame to see me in the same room as them, even though I would only be there to better my health condition.

    I can't know if they DO judge me or not, I judge myself, so the others must too, right...? right...?

    This is why shaming won't work. I feel enough shame already. It just makes me want to stay away from the places with hot guys, as I just look at them, admire them, and then tell myself that I'm too much of a loser to ever be able to become part of them.

    Education would help, that IS true. But if you think we don't know that veggies are better than fast food, or that we aren't noticing that we're fat and unhealthy, you're very wrong. Being shamed is also what prevents us from starting a healthy lifestyle.

    After all, I got bullied all the time in high school for being fat. It didn't make me lose weight. It made me eat more to make myself feel better.


    Right. What you needed was access to health care (your lack of discipline and using food as medication), and a supportive person(s) to tell you to get up off your ass, or deal with diabetes, heart disease, hypertension, and..yes..social rejection.

    It behooves you to take action to change a situation. You are the only one who can go to the gym. You drive those digits and a mature adult you need to come to understand that you are responsible for who / what you are. You can take action, and make things better, or continue to do things the same.

    What separates "winners" from "losers" and leaders from followers is that the former walk into, through, beyond, and above their challenges, whether it's being overweight, military training, a bodybuilding contest, professional development.

    The choice, and it is a choice, to continue to wallow in your situation is one that you have made, and no one else. You change that by getting off your ass and taking action, even if it is out of your comfort zone. Most things worth doing are often out of our comfort zone, but, they enhance our life experience. Get up off your ass, and change your life.
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    Jan 30, 2013 4:13 PM GMT
    Social rejection is what it is. I'm not a big fan of shaming, but, I'm also not a big fan of inaction.

    A fat ass is the only person that can take action.

    Every day, I have some fat fuck offer me a bj, etc., online. Am I interested? Of course not. Most often, I'm kind enough in how I say it, they don't get whiney, but, some do, and lash out about me being stuck on myself, etc. (that's called projection).

    We have a health care pandemic, that's going to be extremely costly of lives and money.

    Like smoking, overeating needs to become uncool. It will save MILLIONS of lives.
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    Jan 30, 2013 4:15 PM GMT
    I do love to shame fat people. Any WalMart will do. Take some one dollar bills, drop a crisp one on the floor and wait for a super large obese piggy to waddle by and point it out, saying,"excuse me sir or madam(sometimes with the obese it's so hard to tell) I believe you dropped that crisp one dollar bill." Then stand back and watch as the hilarity begins.
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    Jan 30, 2013 6:00 PM GMT
    Being ashamed to go to the gym is the lamest excuse!! I don't have a gym membership right now. It's a fuckin racket, anyway.icon_lol.gif

    I workout at home, and I'm very successful at it. I come up with my own routines, half of which involve free weights.

    I've never tried infomercial plans, but if you need DVDs to tell you what to do then buy them. They're cheaper than a gym membership, anyway.

    Btw, if you're just trying to lose fat, use a jump rope or do jumping jacks, combined with resistance circuits, like pushups and side lunges. Super basic and effective. Anyone advertising a machine is just trying to sell you a better mousetrap.
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    Jan 31, 2013 4:49 AM GMT
    I didn't read this entire thread, but as a former big boy I figured I'd add my .02.

    From age 11 I was a big kid, I had undiagnosed hypothyroidism and depression until age 14; on top of social anxiety which wasn't diagnosed until a few years ago. These are not excuses for me being overweight, but rather contributing factors to me being 250+ pounds throughout nearly all of my teenage years and my early twenties.

    I literally hated myself, and everything I was; I shamed and insulted myself on a daily basis to the point I had zero self-worth and attempted suicide at 20. This was a pretty shitty time in my life, all due to shame that I projected unto myself. I could only imagine how much worse I would of felt if I had others attempting to shame me to a healthy weight.

    Deciding to lose weight, is nothing you can force upon someone, its a sudden internal revelation that being this weight is not healthy, for physical/emotional/mental health; well at least for me. Its not something which can be shamed and forced upon someone.

    My revelation came through nursing school, where I was assigned to instruct a guy a little older then myself about weight-loss and the possible health risk of being overweight. He was 28 and 269lbs, I was 22 and 254lbs. At that point I told my instructor I couldn't do it, I couldn't teach someone about weight loss when I myself was obese.

    After that day I secretly started using the elliptical at my house, I started in secret due to the social anxiety, and slowly people started to notice that I was losing weight I begun watching calories and seeing a personal trainer and enjoying being fit.

    Flash-forward to today, I'm 25 and currently 172lbs freshly motivated to get into the best possible shape I can for my body. I still struggle with social anxiety and completely fucking dread the gym; it is one of the few places my social anxiety is actually noticeable but I've started to just say "Fuck it" and do what needs to be done icon_biggrin.gif

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    tl;dr: Shame won't work.
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    Jan 31, 2013 6:42 AM GMT
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    seafrontbloke saidMaybe industrial foodstuffs like HFCS are part of the problem.


    Agreed. If chemicals and unnatural things weren't being sold as food, things everyone would be a lot healthier.


    Same here... I boycott processed foods, fast foods. Just buy whole organic food, Eat mostly vegetarian food.
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    Jan 31, 2013 6:45 AM GMT
    HottJoe saidBeing ashamed to go to the gym is the lamest excuse!! I don't have a gym membership right now. It's a fuckin racket, anyway.icon_lol.gif

    I workout at home, and I'm very successful at it. I come up with my own routines, half of which involve free weights.

    I've never tried infomercial plans, but if you need DVDs to tell you what to do then buy them. They're cheaper than a gym membership, anyway.

    Btw, if you're just trying to lose fat, use a jump rope or do jumping jacks, combined with resistance circuits, like pushups and side lunges. Super basic and effective. Anyone advertising a machine is just trying to sell you a better mousetrap.


    haha, true.... My Ab lounge is idle most of time, so is my ab chair, and ab rollers... all gimmicks. The best workouts involve little machine if any.
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    Jan 31, 2013 4:05 PM GMT
    You could threaten some obese people with extreme physical harm or even excruciating death and it wouldn't deter them from their unhealthy eating habits. I would bet that many of them have been shamed all their lives, and shaming them further wouldn't really amount to anything.
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    Jan 31, 2013 4:36 PM GMT
    They like being Fat because they get attention!
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    Jan 31, 2013 4:43 PM GMT
    rugbyjockca saidIf that's the only way to eliminate the epidemic, then let's keep the epidemic and start focusing on eliminating the assholes.


    yes.... they also think the way to cure homos is to gas them. Maybe get rid of too tall, to short, etc. Where does this world find these assholes