VisibleVote’08: Where’s the gay? .... "LGBT issues that split the nation have yet to make a significant appearance."

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    Oct 16, 2008 9:03 PM GMT
    "Notorious Bush campaign strategist Karl Rove stirred up fear over same-sex marriage to drive conservative voters to the polls. It is no wonder that the LGBT community braced for another round of attacks during the 2008 presidential campaign season.

    But those attacks never came."

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    Oct 16, 2008 9:17 PM GMT
    I dunno, we're getting attacked pretty badly here in Florida with an anti-gay marriage amendment, just like in California. So many states passed anti-gay amendments in 2004 there isn't much more for the anti-gay forces to do.

    I mean, what more can Republicans do with the issue? Make being gay a crime?

    Nevermind, sorry, forget I said that. :::: looking over shoulder ::::
  • EricLA

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    Oct 16, 2008 10:14 PM GMT
    Perhaps you missed this story from a couple of months back where Rove said he didn't expect the issue to really be at play this year. Maybe it's because McCain didn't want to go down that road, didn't want to alienate Moderate or Independents? Or maybe they felt the Republicans had gone to that well to many times -- promising their constituents they were going to do something about the issue after each election, then forgetting about it immediately following. Don't know what the answer is, but I'm just relieved we can miss one election cycle without it being a major part of a presidential election. Of course, there are states like California still voting on the measure. Meanwhile, here's the article:

    "Karl Rove says gay marriage won't be the issue in '08 that it was in '04"

    For many voters, it’s an article of faith that political consultant Karl Rove orchestrated the 2004 ballot fight over same-sex marriage to help push conservatives to the polls. In the process, the theory goes, those voters helped George W. Bush win reelection.

    Rove takes a somewhat different view. He says backers of same-sex marriage started the fight by filing suits and winning a Supreme Court decision in Massachusetts.

    Whatever his role was four years ago, Rove predicted in an interview that the issue would be less important in 2008. "It has a lower profile, but it will be an issue in people’s minds," Rove said. "The bigger issues will be the economy, terrorism, healthcare, energy.

    This November, three states -- Arizona, California and Florida -- will vote on the issue. Whether it will have an effect on the presidential contest remains to be seen.

    Arizona almost certainly will vote for its favorite son, John McCain. California is likely solid for Barack Obama. Florida is one state viewed as a swing state.

    Florida Gov. Charlie Crist and California's Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, both of whom are backing McCain, have distanced themselves from the propositions (it's Proposition 8 on California's Nov. 4 ballot), saying there are more important issues to consider.

    Rove said that’s true -- to a point. He said the question could weigh in the minds of some people in what he called the "complicated algorithms" that determine how they vote. "Values always play a role in a campaign," he said.

    There is disagreement over whether same-sex marriage -- or any divisive issue -- draws voters to the polls in a presidential election year. Most experts agree that voters turn out to vote for president, not a state ballot measure.

    But there is some evidence that the same-sex marriage measure helped in the swing state of Ohio, one of 11 states in the 2004 general election where voters cast ballots on definition-of-marriage measures. Bush sealed his reelection by winning narrowly in Ohio over John Kerry.

    As happened in 2004, Rove noted, the 2008 candidates have staked out their positions. McCain, like Bush, supports the ballot measures. Obama, like Kerry, opposes the measures, but says he opposes same-sex marriage.

    -- Dan Morain
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  • Thirdbeach

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    Oct 17, 2008 2:45 AM GMT
    In the previous two Canadian Federal elections; Focus on the Family Canada ran newspaper ads across the country to encourage people to vote for the party which supports the "traditional" definition of marriage.

    The Conservative Party formed a minority government after the 2006 election. Prime Minister Harper kept his election pledge and held a "free vote" on the issue of same sex marriage. Parliament voted to allow same sex marriage to continue. Harper said that the issue will dropped, and he considered it decided.

    Same sex marriage was did not get any coverage or mentioned in the election that ended on Tuesday Oct. 14th, 2008. I didn't see any ads from Focus on the Family Canada during this election.

    I guess that the economy beats all other issues.