Id like to see people's reaction to this video...either a person who eats meat and those that don't...

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    Sep 06, 2007 6:01 PM GMT
    automatic...I was about to say the same thing about you...

    ooops...sorry...my grilled chicken breast is ready....gotta eat...

    have a great day...

    Im sure there is a dandelion in someone's yard with your name on it...
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    Sep 06, 2007 6:08 PM GMT
    Young dandelion greens are actually kinda tasty...
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    Sep 06, 2007 6:22 PM GMT
    Hey fryblock...maybe so...but its also not nearly as effective as the cla you get from red meat...there are plenty of studies on the internet on the subject.

    My beef stews smells soooooo Good....
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    Sep 06, 2007 6:39 PM GMT
    even still, i'd rather get my CLA without a side of guilt, at least for me.
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    Sep 06, 2007 7:02 PM GMT

    Cool movie - I totally agree it is disgusting.

    Everyone should go out and hunt and fish for their own food. Wild fish & game tastes much better.;->

    Lets face it, we don't have the dental structure we have because we are herbivores. Humans are Carnivores, and our physical health - our very bodies - cry out for nutrients that a steady diet of protein produces.

    Almost all vegetarians have to be careful to take suplements to maintain good health.

    Rather than decry the evils of eating meat - we should be working on eliminating the inhumane treatment of animals.

    Rob

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    Sep 06, 2007 7:06 PM GMT
    This article sums up the debate pretty nicely and offers a pretty good picture for the future where all sides can be pretty happy.
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    Sep 06, 2007 8:50 PM GMT
    IT Jock makes the most sense of all this hooha!!
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    Sep 07, 2007 4:01 AM GMT
    Again

    Would rather believe Ghandi, Einstein, Plato, Pythagoras, Hippocrates, Tolstoy, Emerson, Thoreau, da Vinci (the list goes on) or "Jim Walker" Haha.

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    Sep 07, 2007 4:30 AM GMT
    Didn't Einstein marry his cousin? Ghandi as nice as he was, thought cows were sacred. Aristotle and Plato believed the earth was the center of the universe. These people were phenomenal in their respective fields during their own time periods but I fail to see how it has anything to do with how we eat.
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    Sep 07, 2007 5:29 AM GMT
    itjock does not make th emost sense. you claim that eating meat means you are healthier, as if that means you lead a balanced diet. do you know how many overweight,, unhealthy meat eaters there are because their diet is so unbalanced?
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    Sep 07, 2007 6:41 AM GMT
    Well, they were all vegetarians/vegans. They knew the slaughter of animals will lead to our own destruction -- all of them. It's a reoccurring theme in philosophy that we seem to disregard, but we'd rather believe studies funded by the meat industry?

    Would you think it's right to question your own intelligence just because you're gay, owl? I'm sure there are some people who would. Your argument makes no sense. You cannot disprove these men made huge contributions to higher thinking.
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    Sep 07, 2007 9:45 AM GMT

    Fryblock -

    Wow - do you know how to twist a subject or what?

    I suggested :

    A - People would have much more respect for their diet - and the animals - if they were not so removed from the process of aquiring their food; especially through hunting and fishing for wild game.

    B - That humans are born carnivores. We need certain nutrients to maintain good health.

    C - That we should concentrate on the inhumane treatment of animals (IMHO frequently caused by our modern dis association with the hunter/gatherer process.)
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    The vast majority of people in the world have very unbalanced diets; in some cases this has let to genetic changes and predispositions based upon long term cultural dietary intake (N American Aboriginals, South Sea Islanders, etc).

    To suggest that either a non meat diet is inherently healthier - per qua - flys in the face of overwhelming scientific research.

    What I would personally advocate for is a healthy diet with moderation in everything.

    I am interested in what goes into me. I go far out of my way to shop at a co op where I know the foods have been mostly locally grown and harvested when possible, and the animals have been raised and slaughtered under extremely humane and even Kosher conditions.

    I think if everyone did that then we would eat healthier, and there would be a lot less suffering in this world.

    The Anti-Meat crowd confuses and complicates their own arguments. If they concentrated simply on humane treatment of animals then they would get much farther.

    One of the best arguments the Anti-Meat crowd hass come up with recently is the POLUTION-GREEN HOUSE GAS argument.

    Since they are not about to eliminate meat from the international diet; their cause would be best served by trying to reduce the amount of polution in the process.

    My ancestors used to hunt and fish for hundreds of generations across the Northeast. Every time they would set out on a hunting or fishing trip they would pray to the spirit of the game or fish, begging them for use of their bodies. They saw themselves - and their food - as an integral part of the circle of life. They did not see themselves - as we seem to today - as bestride or atop a great pyramid of which we are the sole masters. At the end of each succesful hunt they would be very careful to honor their catch, to waste absolutely nothing - as a matter of religious philosophy - and to pray again to the spirit of their catch to thank them for allowing them the priviledge of being worthy to catch and use them.

    IMHO we could all take a major lesson from their book on how to ethically treat animals, and to become more in tune with our diets and the circle of life.

    R
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    Sep 07, 2007 12:09 PM GMT
    Perhaps it's a small point, but people on this thread keep referring to humans as carnivores. That is not accurate. Like many other species, we are omnivores. We do not "require" a diet of mainly meat. Theoretically, we have evolved beyond the Neanderthal, regardless of our teeth.

    On the other hand, in some areas of the world, a plant-based diet would be a disaster. Imagine inhabitants of the Arctic Circle taking up a vegetarian diet. I am curious what the vegetarians here would counsel them. (Vegetarian colonialism?)

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    Sep 07, 2007 12:46 PM GMT
    great point Obscene...and its notable how the vegetarians didnt respond...LOL...

    And yes, you are correct, we humans are Omnivores...I certainly am...I love my spinach and salads...and veggies...as well as my salmon, and chicken and beef....

    The argument made earlier that only meat eaters are overrweight...as if its the meat that causes it....is so absurd...

    there are thyroid issues....and sugar is probably the biggest culprit to obesity...last time I checked, sugar wasnt a meat....


    there is no question that fatty foods, including saturated fat in some meats are a cause...but they are NOT the primary source... as the two vegans in the previous posts, trying to justify their diet, are trying to make us believe...

    A balanced diet of lean meat, some red meat, fish, veggies and fruit and grains is best for humans...BALANCE...one extreme or another is not ....and the studies done by professionals support that...not the ranting of some extremists on here!!!!
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    Sep 07, 2007 1:12 PM GMT
    I'm 100% with ITJock on this one. I couldn't have said it better so I stand behind him with a "YEAH! What he said!"
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    Sep 07, 2007 1:28 PM GMT
    I don't know which is worse, being a chicken trapped in a cage waiting to die, or a zebra running for its life from a lion.

    I think I'll ponder that over a turkey and bacon sandwhich. All this early morning reading has made me hungry.
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    Sep 07, 2007 1:33 PM GMT
    actually most of the calories from meat are filled with saturated fat and very high in cholesterol. To say meat makes people fat is a true and proven biological fact (though some can't tell because I mean look at you guys BUT...chances are you spend A LOT of time at the gym). Thats not to say being veggie is the answer, there are plenty of shitty non animal products out there to make us fat.
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    Sep 07, 2007 1:38 PM GMT
    oh and please my fellow veggies, we have to learn (especially from the other threads) people are just going to continue on being insecure and defensive for eating meat, ESPECIALLY after watching this video. They won't want to accept what their aiding in. Let them make their comments and jokes and when they drop dead of a heart attack or other diseases caused by meat we won't have to hear from them again :)

    and notice most of the people making snide and stupid remarks are so OLD, their generations valued meat to the top and of ut most importance. years doesnt make wisdom....they've proved that
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    Sep 07, 2007 1:39 PM GMT
    we arent born carnivores if we can get all of the said nutrients from non-animal sources
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    Sep 07, 2007 1:39 PM GMT
    mascjockatl...there are no real vitamins in meat lol
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    Sep 07, 2007 1:40 PM GMT
    hehe, slayer is my favorite person for that last comment
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    Sep 07, 2007 1:42 PM GMT
    Meat doesn't make one fat.

    I've been an omnivore all my life, mostly meat and potatoes. Only in the last few years have I added an array of vegetable to my diet. I have never been over 165 pounds and it is only in the last few years that I've paid attention to the fat content of my meat. Prior to that, hot dogs, 80% beef, fatty pork, chinese take out, bad italian food, heavy fatty french food, etc. It's bullshit that meat makes you fat. Fat makes you fat whether it comes from vegetable or meat.

    Viva viande.
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    Sep 07, 2007 1:42 PM GMT
    He's a naive hysteric. Calm down and go eat some fish before your head explodes, the two of you. You're having fits.
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    Sep 07, 2007 1:50 PM GMT
    Slayer's statement that meat is high in fat and cholesterol is extremely vague and misleading.

    When referring to meat, all meat? red meat? white meat? Chickens, cows, deer, ducks, etc..

    All red meats are certainly not the same.
    Chicken and turkey is certainly not high in saturated fat or cholesterol. Simply read/research the nutrition information.

    Read any literature today and you will see that today's obesity is linked to the increase in the consumption of refined sugars and processed foods coupled with lack of excercise. The overconsumption of chicken is hardly the smoking gun of obesity.

    I took this from the below website
    RED Meat example from NutritionFacts.com

    Beef, chuck, tender steak, separable lean and fat, trimmed to 1/4" fat, USDA choice, raw
    Nutrition Facts
    Serving Size
    Standard Measure (100g/3.5oz)1 lb (453.6g/16.2oz)1 oz (28.35g/1.0oz)

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    Amount per Serving

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    Calories 114 kcal

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    % Daily Value

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    Total Fat 3.74 g 6%
    Saturated Fat 1.334 g 7%
    Polyunsaturated Fat 2.005 g
    Monounsaturated Fat 0.333 g

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    Cholesterol 54 mg 18%

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    Sodium 83 mg 4%

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    Total Carbohydrates 0.00 g 0%
    Dietary Fiber 0.0 g 0%
    Sugars 0.00 g

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    Protein 18.89 g %

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    Recommended Daily Allowances Calories 2000 2500
    Total Fat Less than 65g 80g
    Sat Fat Less than 20g 25g
    Cholesterol Less than 300mg 300mg
    Sodium Less than 2400mg 2400mg
    Total Carbohydrate 300g 375g
    Dietary Fiber 25g 30g

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    Sep 07, 2007 1:58 PM GMT
    I suppose that it is slayer's life inexperiences that would lead him to wish death upon people simply for being meat eaters.

    Any argument is better stated and supported when it is back up with research and name calling and insults are left out.

    You should have let the video speak for itself than sacrifice the validity of your argument with death wishes towards others.