Id like to see people's reaction to this video...either a person who eats meat and those that don't...

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    Sep 07, 2007 2:04 PM GMT
    I never said they didn't make contributions. I said they did. But none of them made contributions to society because they were breakthrough nutritionists. Einstein was a physicist, and Aristotle and Plato were philosophers. Ghandi was a philanthropist who happened to be Hindu so by religion, he wasn't allowed to eat meat. There were plenty of non-vegetarian "great" people. In fact I'd even argue that most "great" people probably weren't vegetarian. So are you going to neglect them and decided that those people you chose are the only "great" people you should emulate? And I don't see any trend. All I see is a handful people who made a choice to be vegetarian for different reasons over a period of thousands of years. Do you even understand the reasons and philosophies of these people? Or are you just blindly following them.

    No we are not born carnivores, we are born omnivores. We eat both plants and animals.

    And whats going on with these age remarks?

    "I know age has nothing to do with maturity, but I wonder what these guys have done to better our world and bring peace in their 40 years of existence."

    And what the hell have you done in your life buddy? What give you the right to argue?

    By the way just saying "I don't get it" without backing it up isn't an arguement, its just being retarded.
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    Sep 07, 2007 2:08 PM GMT
    Nicely said Owl975.
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    Sep 07, 2007 2:12 PM GMT
    Oh and by the way, I've seen the video before, its a standard veggie tale. Here is another video you should watch:

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=5CzbT1hGwmM

    Its not just Walmart that uses unfair labor practices. Almost everything we own is made in china. A lot of which is made using unfair labor practices. So are you not going to buy anything from China now or does your holier than though attitude not extend to the Chinese?
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    Sep 07, 2007 2:15 PM GMT
    and again I said ya'll prolly LIVE at the gym :)

    so chances are you wont be fat cause you spend your half your life trying to get loose it :)

    cheers
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    Sep 07, 2007 2:16 PM GMT
    It's better than living in fantasyland.
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    Sep 07, 2007 2:17 PM GMT
    funny owl, im a veggie pushing my agenda and you've brought up this chinese thing pushing YOUR agenda (ya look asian to me) and there is a difference, animals dont have the voice to CHANGE what is happening to them, humans do...thats something you can't win with me, sorry.
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    Sep 07, 2007 2:18 PM GMT
    oh and urban i never said GO die, i simply made a statement that was in no way shape form directed to ANY of you...like ya'll like to tell me, Im just vague ;).
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    Sep 07, 2007 2:19 PM GMT
    Actually I'm Japanese and I buy Chinese made products all the time. I'm making a point, no agenda.
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    Sep 07, 2007 2:19 PM GMT
    I was walking past my tomato plants this morning and I could have sworn that one yelled out "don't eat me, I feel pain". Maybe it was one of the carrots, not one of the tomatoes.
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    Sep 07, 2007 2:20 PM GMT
    Like I said, saying someone is wrong without addressing the point is not an arguement or do they not teach you that at whatever school you go to?
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    Sep 07, 2007 2:21 PM GMT
    And they can't change their situation. If we could all change our situation I'd be reborn a millionaire.
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    Sep 07, 2007 2:22 PM GMT
    oh and owl, my personal life and the accomplishments i've made at my young age are none of your business...plain and simple. i dont like you, i havent nor will I ever.
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    Sep 07, 2007 2:23 PM GMT
    pahahahahahahahaha! too much! toooooo much!

    neener neener.

    i think he's sticking his tongue out at you, owl.
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    Sep 07, 2007 2:23 PM GMT
    I said asian i never said which one so dont get all up with the proud ... god defensive much...ya know what, you have bored me and annoyed me on just so many occasions just, go away or at least refrain from talking to me or commenting on my comments, well you can its a free country so i dont care but im not responding to you anymore :)

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    Sep 07, 2007 2:24 PM GMT
    wow. that was intelligent.
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    Sep 07, 2007 2:26 PM GMT
    Although I heartily agree with ITJock, people want cheap food, and unfortunately, large scale animal confinements are the cheapest way to raise animals for meat. In the case of beef cattle, it takes half the time to achieve slaughter weight on hay/silage/grain in a feedlot than on cattle's natural diet of grass pasture. Grass-fed beef and buffalo are expensive luxury items.

    As for what makes us fat, that varies among individuals. Back when I used to hang out on gay.com, there was a guy in Des Moines who lost over 100 lbs by switching to a vegetarian diet. I don't know if it was meat that made him fat, but cutting it out sure made him thin. In my case, I've had wonky blood sugar issues all my life, and it was the excess carbs of my largely vegetarian diet that made me fat and lethargic. By replacing most of the grain and beans with meat, I lost 30 pounds of fat and put an end to the huge blood sugar swings and lethargy.
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    Sep 07, 2007 2:32 PM GMT
    Slayer - "They won't want to accept what their aiding in. Let them make their comments and jokes and when they drop dead of a heart attack or other diseases caused by meat we won't have to hear from them again :)"

    Lets break down what slayer said above.

    You said in a later post that your comment was "in no way shape form directed to ANY of you."
    If that is the case, then who are the "They" you are referring to in the above post?
    Who else are you arguing with besides the people making posts?

    Second, you said "i never said GO die."
    Yet, you are quite clear that anyone who eats meat can 'just drop dead from a heart attack never to be heard from again.' Certainly not wishes of health and long life either.
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    Sep 07, 2007 2:47 PM GMT
    With the whole: "O my gosh! whatever, your wrong because you're wrong! I don't like you" style of debate, its clear some people here probably wont be able to successfully defend themselves logically, so I think I'll call it a day on this topic. Have fun everyone! lol
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    Sep 07, 2007 2:54 PM GMT
    Jesus, everyone calm down before I eat each of you alive.
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    Sep 07, 2007 2:55 PM GMT
    i have seen the exact opposite in my friends that obscenewish had mentioned in the begining of this. many of my vegitarian/vegan friends are so skinny is should be unhealthy. but they follow the diet.

    now, you cant tell me that part of that website is just trying to convice every one, one of the FAQs, on dont we need meat to survive. stop and think way back going far far back to the paleolithic age, how esle did they get their nutrients, it WAS a necessity, and even up through hundreds of thousands of years, right about 12000-13000 years it was a necessity to eat meat and dairy, they did not have supplements and vitamins back then. yes we eat the food we choose by choice, but we still cant say that is not a necessity to eat meat.

    I myself do eat meat, but the meats i eat are grown by a local farmer, who raises them and gets them ready for the freezer himself, he does nothing that is gross, he keeps only a few animals on his farm, 3-4 pigs, and or cows, the care he gets for the animals is wonderful.

    before just watching this video, get an idea as to where your meats come from, look local, local gets you better meats. and if you have been to europe, the meats in many of the country sides are taken care of in the cleanest fashion. I know myself if i went on supplements and a vegan diet i would lose a lot of weight, a very un healthy amount. i know myself i would not have the energy i do now. i am careful as to what i eat, and how much i eat. I feel that some of that information is so wrong or misguiding that it is not funny. yet some of it is very true.
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    Sep 07, 2007 3:05 PM GMT
    Honestly, eating meat is not necessary. We aren't Paleolithic creatures. If vegetarians want to go to the trouble to get their nutrients by some means other than eating meat, who cares?

    The ethical/moral issue is separate from the nutritional one. There is no consensus in this regard and no global agreement is possible. Personally, I find the notion that animals exist simply to meet the needs of humans troubling. Just what we need: a theory of evolution based on the survival of the most edible.


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    Sep 07, 2007 3:32 PM GMT
    It's rather sly how the issue has switched from being about the ethical treatment of animals in factory farming to nutrition, a nice slight of hand to avoid discussing something reprehensible (factory farming).

    Funny how the whole "we're hunters/carnivores" argument gets trotted out, as if our lifestyles today remotely resemble those of 10,000 years ago. If you like meat, great, but don't rely on the whole "it's natural for humans" argument in 2007 C.E. Oh, and contrary to what someone said above, it's quite unnatural for humans to drink the milk OF ANOTHER SPECIES, milk that f.y.i., is meant for calves. Also, people will trot out the whole "what about protein" issue, as if meat were the only source (broccoli is one source of protein). The same protein-concerned types will often turn around and look dumb when pressed about their own sources of flavanoids, lutenin, B12, Vitamins A, E, and C, Phosphate, amino acids, and Iron. Again, while people have the right to do what they want, from a science & health standpoint, a meat-based diet has been shown to be inferior to a plant-based one.

    Anyway, the post was about cruelty to animals, not nutrition, so it'd be nice if more of the pro-meat people responded to that.
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    Sep 07, 2007 5:49 PM GMT
    "I don't know which is worse, being a chicken trapped in a cage waiting to die, or a zebra running for its life from a lion."

    the obvious difference is the zebra and lion are living a natural way of life. we have corrupted the chicken's life, condemning it to a 1X1 cage or cramming them in a room and giving them hormones so they get too big too fast.



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    what makes you so sure you would lose an unhealthy amount of weight. i gained 15 pounds when i went from vegetarian to vegan. and i am the healthiest i have ever been in my entire life.



    obscene-

    i do enjoy your facts and way about saying things that dont cause controversy and arguments. we all can take a lesson from you.
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    Sep 07, 2007 8:28 PM GMT
    I eat meat and the reason we have this form of meat production is one word:
    Population
    Where there is the demand there is no other way to supply it except in mass.
    What amazes me though is the inhumanity and the people who can just kill a pig by bashing it on the floor = shows how sick humans can be.
    But guess thats another subject...
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    Sep 07, 2007 9:52 PM GMT
    I was not saying we are Paleolithic Creatures, obviously we have made major changes in the different fields of technology and such. What I meant by that is that there are still strands of DNA in us that link us to them. Back then what else did they have to supply themselves with the nutrients that they needed, it was not till the 5,000 years did agraculture start to develop. They relied on the meat of an animal then for food, and the idea of that has stayed with us for all this time. All I meant by this is that in that amount of time we have always eaten meat, it was you do or you die. Yes I know now a days it is not like that.

    And fryblock, I know I would lose the weight because my body would not be able to handle the change. I do eat veggie friendly foods, but i always feel hungry about a half an hour later, and i only eat at set times of the day, morn, noon, and late in the evening. You can say that I would not lose weight all you want, but I will tell you one thing, you know nothing of my body and the way it reacts to anything.

    And slayer, by the way, if you are gonna start a forum like this, you better damn well be an open mind. You say you would like to see peoples reactions yet you call all those who do not agree with you, immautre, and such. You had said that there was a lacking level of immaturity in the guys who eat meat, yet you go on about how they will fall down due to a heart attack and then you would not have to hear their comments....IF THAT IS YOUR VIEW ON THINGS, THEN YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE STARTED THIS FORUM IN THE FIRST PLACE!