Id like to see people's reaction to this video...either a person who eats meat and those that don't...

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    Sep 12, 2007 10:53 PM GMT
    but I will get you those sources cause nothing is better than seeing the face of someone who just got proven wrong when they think they are just....so....right :)
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    Sep 12, 2007 11:11 PM GMT
    an interesting polemic, but a more balanced view might suggest that there is a third option: supporting locally grown products, both animal and vegetable; supporting farmers who raise and slaughter livestock humanely.
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    Sep 12, 2007 11:43 PM GMT
    Looks like we have a winner. Calls to both Vegitarian AND Omnivore parties without threatening either.

    Nice Job, mon ami!
  • styrgan

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    Sep 12, 2007 11:45 PM GMT
    Unlike mascjock and his buddies, I take the whole cruelty to animals things seriously, guys. I question though whether one should throw the baby out with the bath water.

    Instead of not eating meat (which IS part of a healthy diet, no matter what you vegans say) why don't we pressure those in government to take animal rights seriously.

    The individual consumer's role is not nearly as important as government and industry's role. Very few people are prepared to stop driving SUVs and trucks, even though the rise of gas guzzlers is bad for the environment.

    People should not have to alter their lifestyle when it is business and government that has dropped the ball. Gas may rise to $7/gallon, and middle America will give up its SUVs. But they will never give up a nice juicy ribeye once a week. I think you PETA types should take the argument elsewhere.
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    Sep 13, 2007 3:49 AM GMT
    It's all about payoffs, everyone knows that. The government won't do shit about it now, they're making too much money.
  • fryblock

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    Sep 13, 2007 4:06 AM GMT
    us PETA types? im not a PETA person. i stand for what they stand for, but i don't support them in what they do.
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    Sep 13, 2007 4:52 AM GMT
    haha awww fryblock didnt you know being veg means we're active members of PETA?

    I guess someone didnt get their members only card :)

    gonna have to re register with the Vegan association of america and make sure they are on their A come from now on.

    :) :) :) :)
  • fryblock

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    Sep 13, 2007 6:33 AM GMT
    i guess my card got lost in the mail!
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    Sep 13, 2007 6:44 AM GMT
    I totally agree with you Bug boy locally produced in season fruit and veg is the way to go and humane treatment of animal makes sound sense from a disease control and quiality of meat issue.

    the double edge to the sword tho is that if we all refused to eat all this flown in veg from overseas then it creates a whole new argument on Economic migration and third world poverty. Fairtrade would cease to exist as a product.

    Slayer again your misinterpret me, Im not emotionaly charged in this conversation I read exactly what you put but if you want to split hairs would yuo really buy a product fro a company whose sources and information you didnt trust> I sure as heck wouldnt.

    You can throw all the reports my way you care to mention, not overviews ones backed up with hard study results that have been independently verified, I welcome them as I have yet to see any reports that have been conclusive and unbiased in favour of your argument.

    If you are able to supply these as I said before I weigh up the pros and cons of all aspects of this debate as part of a bigger picture in my vocation and my professional representation relies on an unbiased presenting of the Environmental case to an organisation.
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    Sep 15, 2007 12:11 PM GMT
    oh and tjwdraws, again you failed to say anything different then what your original comment was, that all vegans and vegetarians and those on their way to becoming, are peace loving creatures. i would like to know why you feel this to be true, does meat make people more agressive. i will say i take great offence to your posting of that, there are more ways to declare someone peaceful.

    Sorry you were offended but I stand by my initial response.
  • fryblock

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    Sep 15, 2007 1:45 PM GMT
    local meat still is never an option for me. i don't care how humane it is, i still don't agree with their death. i also would not eat local eggs. our chickens have been bred so that they over produce their eggs, and it would be healthier for them to eat the eggs they lay so they can absorb some of the nutrients that they popped out. milk is a different story, but i still would be cautious seeing as cows, without hormones or special breeding, should only produce when they calf, so i wouldn't want to take milk away from their calf.
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    Sep 15, 2007 3:32 PM GMT
    I will admit the hardest thing I had to give up was honey...I can't say I completely understand it but....vegans dont eat it, which sucls cause I love the whole foods homemade granola.
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    Sep 15, 2007 4:14 PM GMT
    yea by definition we aren't allowed to eat honey. they sometimes gas the bees to collect the honey, which just knocks them out and then they come to later. i guess some don't, there are inevitable injuries. however, there are great environmental benefits for the bee industry so it's complicated.
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    Sep 15, 2007 4:27 PM GMT
    uhm the video is pretty disgusting...
    I mean I'm easly impressionable and now I have 2 or 3 image I can't take off my mind even if I'm vegetarian and I eat only organinc diary product (wich are supposed to threat the animals a little better)
    ; ;
    you should wrote it could be very heavy to witness!

    p.s. that kermit gif is wonderful!
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    Sep 15, 2007 4:35 PM GMT
    What is a Bee Smoker?
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    Sep 15, 2007 6:07 PM GMT
    Air America Radio (online) has a show starting in a couple of minutes: Go Vegan With Bob Linden.
    http://www.airamerica.com/ :)
  • HeyEddo

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    Dec 16, 2007 6:43 PM GMT
    It is so difficult to become Veggie! I didnt have any kind of meat for about 10 months, specailly cuz i had a special diet cuz my psoriasis, so i felt good but suddenly i started eatin meat again, prolly no meat, not big fan of meat but chicken and fish for short period of tym. . .
    so now im tryin to stop eatin meat but is so HARD!
  • Zack6736

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    Aug 21, 2017 8:56 PM GMT
    I know this is an old topic, but just wanted to ask how many of those that posted are a believer in global warming and are proponents of curbing our carbon footprint? Just FYI, raising meat for food (beef, pork and poultry) contributes more green house gases than the entire auto industry worldwide. The methane gas released by the animals we raise for food has more heat trapping capability than CO2, roughly 296X more. Not to mention the amount of grains and water it takes to produce one pound of meat for consumption. There would be no World hunger if every pound of grain went to feed people versus animals raised for food, not to mention all the water it takes to produce that one pound of meat! And the pollution produced by the run off from the farms are helping kill the oceans. But you don't hear about that do you? That's big money at work in Washington. What a great Nation we live in, where Lady Justice scales are tipped by how much money you can pile on her scale. Don't believe me? Go video tape a mass production animal farm and post it online and see how fast you find yourself sitting in prison violating the Ag-Gag law. True, it originally was for employees of these businesses, but there are also non employees that are sitting in prison now labeled as AG terrorists. The argument is that they cost the company money by their posting of the video. Milk and eggs also carry a large carbon foot print. You want to do something that will have an immediate effect on global warming? Stop eating meat and eggs and drinking milk. It won't take decades to reverse, just a couple of years! There are two documentaries on Netflix I would recommend watching; 'Cowspiracy' talks about the carbon footprint and 'What the health' talks about the modern diseases caused by eating meat and dairy.
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    Sep 03, 2017 11:44 PM GMT
    Eating meat is not a "modern" idea...

    Personally I'm a Schweinshaxe fanatic.