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  • metta

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    Oct 29, 2008 11:52 PM GMT
    "Religious conservatives have cast the campaign in California as the decisive last stand, warning in stunningly apocalyptic terms of dire consequences to the entire nation if Proposition 8 does not pass." -- Laurie Goodstein, New York Times, October 26




    The religious right is calling Proposition 8 its "decisive last stand" -- an "Armageddon"-like battle to pass a ballot measure that would "eliminate the right of same-sex couples to marry."

    We couldn't agree more. This fight for our fundamental rights will shape the future of the progressive movement for decades to come, both in California and across the country.

    The Mormon Church is on the front lines of this culture war, having intimidated members into contributing more than $10 million to pass Prop 8. But they are not alone in their rabid devotion to discrimination.

    This Saturday, several ultra-right-wing religious groups will be gathering 70,000 evangelicals together in San Diego at Qualcomm Stadium for "The Call" -- a mega-church event that will mobilize thousands of out-of-state volunteers to get out the vote in Califonia.

    Please watch this shocking promo video for "The Call" right now. This is what we're up against. And we need to respond with a "call" of our own -- a call to volunteer for the "No on 8" campaign across California this weekend and on Election Day. Click here to watch this unbelievable video and then take action today:


    These religious extremists also want to pass Proposition 4 -- the "parental notification" ballot measure that medical professionals and progressive organizations agree would endanger teen safety.

    According to Lou Engel, a leader behind "The Call," the "Lord" has sent "powerful directives" to him to host this unprecedented event on November 1. In a revealing article about the religious right's campaign to dictate public policy to Californians, the New York Times reported that:

    "Preachers from other parts of the country have dropped everything and moved to California in recent months. Lou Engle, who leads The Call, a charismatic prayer ministry in Washington and Kansas City, Mo., with a large following among youth, moved with his seven children to California in September. He is holding large prayer rallies up and down the state, urging people to pray and fast for the 40 days leading up to the election. Some people are giving up solid foods; others are giving up clothes shopping or their favorite television shows."

    What will you give up in the next 6 days to protect marriage equality and at-risk teenagers? We need to respond with a "call" of our own -- a call to volunteer for the "No on 4" and the "No on 8" campaigns across California. Click here to watch this shocking video and then take action to defeat Props 4 and 8 this weekend and/or on Election Day:


    The ultra-right-wing will be out in force in San Diego and across California mobilizing volunteers to pass Props 4 and 8. We need to match them volunteer-for-volunteer.

    Will you answer our call by forwarding this message to your friends -- and asking them to volunteer with you -- before it's too late?

    Thank you for doing everything in your power to protect the fundamental rights of Californians.

    Rick Jacobs

    P.S. The Los Angeles Times is reporting that Elsa Prince, mother of Erik Prince -- Blackwater's founder and early funder -- has contributed $450,000 to support Proposition 8. Elsa and Erik Prince also sit on the board of a family foundation that has donated $8 million to Christian groups involved in the "Yes on 8" campaign.

    Earlier this year, Courage Campaign members battled with Blackwater to stop this private military security firm's plans to open a mercenary base on the California border. Now, we've got a new battle on our hands and we need your help again to beat back Blackwater and the religious right. Please take action today:



  • metta

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    Oct 30, 2008 12:44 AM GMT

    Equality California

    Yesterday, the other side reported donations of $2.2 million, dwarfing the $255,650 we reported, and called on their donors to contribute another $3 million.

    With this enormous sum of money they are buying every available ad space on TV in California to blast even more of their hateful lies and prevent our messages from being seen.

    Unless we raise $3 million in the next three days we will likely lose.

    An EQCA member recently told me that their gift was five times more than they had ever given and suggested that everyone do the same. So today, I am increasing my donation to NO on 8 to $50,000. I’m doing this because I know I must if we hope to win.

    And I’m asking you to increase your gift too – at whatever amount you can, so that we can match the other side on the air. Please increase your gift today.

    Last night the brilliant movie “Milk” premiered at the Castro Theater in San Francisco. The film is a poignant reminder of the ultimate sacrifice Harvey Milk made to advance our rights and how much Harvey, and so many others, gave to stop the Anita Bryant-led anti-gay movement that was sweeping the country and the Briggs Initiative – exactly 30 years ago.

    It’s now up to us to shape the next 30 years.

    Thanks to each of you who have sacrificed in this critical fight for our equality. Please join me in making another gift and asking everyone you know to do the same.

    It is that important.

    With respect, admiration and appreciation,

    Geoff Kors
    Executive Director
    Equality California


  • metta

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    Oct 30, 2008 12:47 AM GMT




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    Oct 30, 2008 12:50 AM GMT
    Is that video real? WTF.

    With any luck these people will pass out from fasting and not get to vote icon_wink.gif
  • metta

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    Oct 30, 2008 12:53 AM GMT
    dowal saidIs that video real? WTF.

    With any luck these people will pass out from fasting and not get to vote icon_wink.gif

    Yes, the video was real. I'm sure that it will be all over the news on November 1st. They are bringing thousands of people from other states to push for prop 8. This is a religious war to them.

    I have been told that the entire World is watching to see what will happen with Prop 8. We need more help guys!
  • metta

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    Oct 30, 2008 1:43 AM GMT
    Just imagine how much they will get in donations from just that event alone. icon_sad.gif
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    Oct 30, 2008 2:23 AM GMT
    Qualcomm donated heavily to the no on prop 8 campaign, I'm surprised they don't have a say on this.

    They also went on record and said that it passing would would be bad for business and the industry would lose an edge with retaining an educated workforce and consumer base to Massachusetts.

    You think whoever organized this would recognize the hypocrisy
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    Oct 30, 2008 7:05 AM GMT
    Fundys are fundys. Not surprising.
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    Oct 30, 2008 7:20 AM GMT
    This saddens me deeply as a religious gay person. It always feels like the entire world is against me because I've grown up around people like that -- anti-gay. I am beginning to wonder if God hates gay people...? icon_cry.gif

    Think I need some positive reinforcement.
  • metta

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    Oct 30, 2008 7:39 AM GMT

    Jennifer Moore
    San Diegans to Pedal for Equality and Say NO on Prop. 8

    SAN DIEGO – In an effort to bring attention to the unfairness of Proposition 8,
    Cyclists for Equality, a grass-root effort comprised of professionals, teachers, students, and faith leaders will be promoting equality and social justice for all Californians by peacefully cycling throughout the city of San Diego until Election Day.

    Prop. 8 is unnecessary, unfair, and goes against the grain of a democratic society for it will violate equal protection under the law. If passed, Prop. 8 will eliminate the right to marry for same-sex couples.

    “Regardless of how you feel about same-sex marriage, it’s wrong to eliminate the fundamental rights of fellow Californians – and hurt our friends, neighbors, co-workers, and family members,” said Jennifer Moore a resident of Encinitas and a member of Cyclists for Equality.

    It’s not the government’s place to tell couples who have been together for years whether or not they are allowed to marry. In California, we let people decide what is best for themselves – without government interference.

    We invite all San Diegans in cycling for a just cause and for equality and vote NO on Prop. 8. Cyclists for Equality will conduct the following activities to ask Californians to Vote NO on 8.

    · November 1: Meet at 9:30am at the Qualcomm gates for a 12-17 mile ride.

    · November 2: 10:30am. We will meet at Swami's Park in Encinitas, K Street and coast Hwy 101.


  • metta

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    Oct 30, 2008 7:41 AM GMT

    Local faith leaders line up to defeat Proposition 8

    QUOTE AUTHOR GOES HERELocal faith leaders line up to defeat Proposition 8
    ‘No’ campaign combats ‘yes’ ads
    by Joseph Peña, Editor
    Published Thursday, 23-Oct-2008 in issue 1087
    Local faith leaders lined up last week to combat Proposition 8, the November ballot initiative that, if passed, will eliminate the rights of same-sex couples to marry.
    Thursday, local clergy members joined forces with the No on 8 campaign and a statewide coalition of faith leaders opposed to Proposition 8 to call voters and encourage them to vote “no” on the marriage ban.
    “Regardless of how people feel about marriage, it is simply wrong to eliminate fundamental human rights,” said Jan Garbosky, President of the First Unitarian Universalist Church of San Diego’s Board of Trustees. “That’s why these faith leaders are speaking out, to preserve the basic human dignity of all Californians. They understand what the law says about marriage, and that no church or clergy member could be forced to perform wedding ceremonies for same-sex, or any other, couples.”
    Faith leaders have played a key role in the Yes and No campaigns. According to a Web site tracking Yes on 8 donations, members of the Mormon church have contributed more than $9 million to Proposition 8, and have launched an out-of-state effort to mobilize voters.
    In September, faith leaders who support Proposition 8 launched a push for congregations to fast and pray for the same-sex marriage ban. The effort will culminate three days before the election, when more than 100,000 people are expected to participate in a revival at Qualcomm Stadium to pray for Proposition 8 to pass.
    “This is not political to us. We see it as very spiritual,” said Jim Garlow, the pastor of the evangelical Skyline Church in San Diego County and leader of an interfaith coalition that has held monthly teleconferences, shared sermons and solicited donations for the ballot measure, to the Associated Press
    Meanwhile, the No campaign is hoping faith leaders who represent inclusive or diverse churches will help share its message.
    Delores Jacobs, chief executive officer of The San Diego LGBT Community Center and The Center Advocacy Project, said help from leaders and the faith community is critical to No on 8’s success.
    “Those who are seeking to eliminate the right of gay and lesbian couples to marry represent themselves as speaking for ‘the faith community,’” Jacobs said. “We know that is untrue and it is vital that that the voices of faith leaders and all people of faith who do not believe eliminating the rights of others is their mission, speak out. Further, the open and affirming faiths are about to lose their freedoms as well. They will lose the right to practice their faith as they interpret it and to marry same-sex couples. This is their fight as well. No one set of faiths and no one group of people should have the right to insist that the government honor only their faith instead of the diversity of faith opinions.”
    Rev. Arvid Straube of the First Unitarian Universalist Church of San Diego, who also participated in last week’s phone bank, has encouraged members of his congregation to get involved with the No on 8 campaign.
    “As a pastor, I’ve seen the pain caused by discrimination,” Straube said. “It’s time we had equal rights.”
    Others who participated agree.
    “The United Church of Christ has been quite vocal in its opposition to Proposition 8, and in trying to explain equality as one of our core values,” said Pastor Scott Landis of the Mission Hills United Church of Christ. “We were all created in God’s image, and we should all have the same rights, which echoes the sentiment, I believe, you see in the No on 8 ads – that Proposition 8 is unfair and wrong.”
    Landis, who has officiated more than 15 same-sex weddings since the California Supreme Court’s ruling lifted the state’s ban on same-sex marriage, said phone banking has helped him dispel myths about Proposition 8.
    “It really gives you an opportunity to talk with people, and correct some of the false information they’ve been led astray by and the lies being told by the Yes on 8 campaign,” he said. “It’s helpful to talk with people and make sure they have accurate information. I’ve found people are really quite rational when you explain fairness and equality, and how passing Proposition 8 would write discrimination into our constitution.”
    In advertisements, the Yes on 8 campaign claims same-sex marriage, if allowed to continue, will be taught in public schools, and churches that refuse to officiate same-sex weddings will risk losing tax-exempt status.
    “Fair-minded people can disagree on homosexuality with respect to what the Bible teaches,” Landis said. “Where I have a real problem is when lies are being spread … We read the same Bible, and it tells us ‘Thou shalt not bear false witness.’ This is false witness. This is lying. It’s really low and unfair.”
    The statewide coalition working on the No on 8 campaign targeted those Yes on 8 ads this week. In particular, the campaign recruited educators to debunk the claim same-sex marriage will be taught to children in schools.
    President of the California State School Board, Ted Mitchell, said, “Let me be clear, there is nothing in California state law that would require the teaching of marriage and that will not change. These ads are ridiculous and they are an insult to California’s voters.”
    “The Yes on 8 ads are alarming and irresponsible,” said State Superintendent of Public Instruction Jack O’Connell. “Our public schools are not required to teach about marriage. And, in fact, curriculum involving health issues is chosen by local school governing boards.”


  • stevendust

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    Oct 30, 2008 7:47 AM GMT
    First off, there is nothing wrong with that video, in my opinion. I do think there is something wrong with associating gay marriage to any kind of Armageddon. Without getting into my personal views on the situation as a gay Californian, the video is not about any kind of the ending days being upon us for any reason. Christians have been looking and talking about a new movement to come for quite some time now because they are honestly in a dry spell. This isn't the only subject they've tried this with, it's just the biggest one.
  • irishkcguy

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    Oct 30, 2008 8:54 AM GMT
    I am a gay Christian and I attend a gay welcoming church in California and I watched that video with my lower jaw on the floor. It just kind of stuns me and I have a better understanding of why so many gays feel the way they do toward religion. It would be great to see these people aim their energy at feeding the hungry or clothing the naked.
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    Oct 30, 2008 10:02 AM GMT
    reedw saidThis saddens me deeply as a religious gay person. It always feels like the entire world is against me because I've grown up around people like that -- anti-gay. I am beginning to wonder if God hates gay people...? icon_cry.gif

    Think I need some positive reinforcement.

    Some people who read the Bible think it is the word of God not Man's interpretation of the word of God. This of course lets them off the hook in terms of thinking, which is surprisingly popular with some people.

    I would recommend focusing on the words of Jesus and not spending too much time in the Old Testament. You will be a lot happier.
  • GQjock

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    Oct 30, 2008 10:56 AM GMT
    This is EXACTLY why people like Palin and Bush and even McCain in his most recent incarnation cannot be allowed near the White House

    Because they stock the Supreme Courts with these religious crazies
    Civil rights cases have always been considered by the Courts


    Because they have to do with the MINORITIES in this country
    The Minorities in this country shall not be disenfranchized by the tyrrany of the majority
    That was one of the reasons for the Courts in the first place
    These ballot measures are really unconstitutional

    Why didn't we have ballot measures in Alabama in the 60's
    or ballot measures on school busing?

    Because they ALL would have worked
    and we'd still would have Jim Crowe laws standing
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    Oct 30, 2008 11:23 AM GMT
    I agree with Margaret Cho... I want Jesus to come back and say, "THAT'S NOT WHAT I FUCKING MEANT!!!!"
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    Oct 30, 2008 11:31 AM GMT
    It is no surprise that they use terms like battle and armageddon. In an anti-gay religious video for Florida they talk about turning back the forces of evil.

    These people have a right to express themselves and I have a right to think that their seriously deluded idiots.
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    Oct 30, 2008 11:36 AM GMT
    SAHEM62896 saidI agree with Margaret Cho... I want Jesus to come back and say, "THAT'S NOT WHAT I FUCKING MEANT!!!!"
    LOL I have to remember that line.icon_exclaim.gificon_idea.gif
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    Oct 30, 2008 1:28 PM GMT

    Hmmm. I believe God loves us unconditionally. In fact, as an exercise, I googled 'god loves us unconditionally' and the results were spectacular.

    Trouble is, just about every RELIGION places conditions on God's love!!! icon_rolleyes.gif

    We keep imagining what it would be like if the car was a
    Christian invention. No doubt none of us would have driver's licences, or be allowed to own a car!

    The religious right in the US have a reputation that spans the globe, and it's not a nice one.

    -Doug of meninlove

  • metta

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    Oct 30, 2008 9:31 PM GMT

    Prop 8 spokesman says defeating same-sex marriage is like defeating Hitler

    We Are Under Attack!

    We have successfully thwarted a coordinated cyber attack on the No on Prop 8 website. Fortunately, there was no breach in security and we are again able to accept contributions online.

    As if that attack isn't outrageous enough, at a recent Prop 8 rally an official campaign spokesman actually compared the right of same-sex couples to marry to the rise of Adolph Hitler and Nazi Germany. Watch the video.

    This insanity needs to stop. Prop 8 needs to be defeated. It's wrong. It's unfair. The people supporting it are fanatical, intolerant and willing to do and say anything to eliminate our rights. Period.


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    Oct 30, 2008 9:46 PM GMT
    Reedw, absolutely not! God loves gay people just the same as he does straight people. The ONLY people Jesus didn't like was the Religious Right(who used to be called Pharisees). He called them a "brood of vipers".
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    Oct 30, 2008 9:48 PM GMT
    I SWEAR if prop 8 passes there will be civil war!!! we get denied from the military now this! all of us are gonna come out fighting, there will be bloodshed; the military will wish they recruited us instead! If this is what the religious right are preaching about us starting armageddon, then they may be right unless everyone wises up and stop this kind of ignorant discriminatory way of thinking. icon_evil.gif
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    Oct 31, 2008 5:44 AM GMT
    reedw saidThis saddens me deeply as a religious gay person. It always feels like the entire world is against me because I've grown up around people like that -- anti-gay. I am beginning to wonder if God hates gay people...? icon_cry.gif

    Think I need some positive reinforcement.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hey buddy, don't let this crowd of intollerant radical christians bring you down. this is just their interpretations of God. Its all fed by fear from their church leaders, it may help you to think of God as just between you and whoever/whatever god is, rather than a group of people in a church (the church is just a building !!! its not God on earth) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I can understand where your coming from because i was brought up going to school on the campus of a religious university, from grade school to college. Their dogma can mess with your head, it did mine. I quit a long time ago following any man made teachings of God, which all appear to me as being for control, and this effort on Prop8 is a real good example of that. Don't let any of them take away any value you place on yourself for any reason and especially not because your gay. Wish you the best !!!! NO TO PROP8 !!!!!