I NEED YOUR HELP RIGHT NOWWWWW!!!!

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  Oct 30, 2008 7:29 PM GMT

  Hi Everyone!
  
  My name is Dave and I am asking you to really help defeat Prop 8.
  
  Here are a few SIMPLE WAYS that YOU CAN HELP!!!
  
  ++ I know a lot of us are strapped for cash, especially students like myself... but let's get at least 20 of us to donate at least 20 bucks to the campaign. Here is a really easy, secure way to do it: CHECK THIS OUT AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE FROM CALIFORNIA TO CONTRIBUTE!!!!
  
  ++ This weekend, after your Halloween adventures... give up a few hours at the phone banks. There's one near you! Find more info at http://noonprop8.com
  
  ++ THIS ONE IS IMPORTANT... AND EASY TOO!! On election day... sign up to give a few hours of your time to stand outside of your nearest polling place and hold up signs to remind your neighbors to vote NO on prop 8! Oh... and don't forget to vote yourself You can also find that at http://noonprop8.com
  
  ++ ON TUESDAY.. ELECTION DAY... Don't forget to CALL and TEXT 20 of your friends, family members, and neighbors and remind them to vote NO on Prop 8 and to join you at the phone banks and out there when you're holding signs.
  
  
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  THANK YOU SOOO MUCH GUYSS!!! LET'S GET THIS DONEEE!!! HAVE A FUNNNN SAFE TIME ON HALLOWEEEN
  
  -dave

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  Oct 30, 2008 9:25 PM GMT

  this is a very cool thing to do! i'm not even in CA but i would support this cause!

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  Oct 30, 2008 9:34 PM GMT

  edgewaterboythis is a very cool thing to do! i'm not even in CA but i would support this cause!

  
  
  I wish more people would see things your way edgewaterboy, because many gay men feel that since it is not happening in their state, they should not care. But it is very important that we get help from every single state.
  daveza these are some great ideas! Also remember guys to get yourself a bumper sticker and put it on your car. If you cant get one, make one! I have seen many people driving around with their own signs in the back of their cars saying no to Prop. 8. Come on guys, we need to do this ASAP!

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  Oct 30, 2008 9:44 PM GMT

  I'm with you, Dave, and put in my share. We're battling our own discriminatory amendment here in Florida, too... but the stakes in California are too high for the rest of who don't live there to ignore this.
  
  Good luck! No on Prop 8... and FL voters: No on 2!
  
  
  

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  Oct 30, 2008 10:30 PM GMT

  apparently we are just like hitler now.
  
  

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  Oct 30, 2008 11:32 PM GMT

  
  
  It's flat-out amazing that none of those people in the video, particularly the guy with the mike, know what Hitler did to gays.
  
  Likely they DO know, which makes this abhorrent and his speech disingenuous.
  
  NO TO PROP 8!
  
  Our hearts are with you guys from up here in little old Canada!

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  Oct 31, 2008 2:11 AM GMT

  daveZA saidHi Everyone!
  
  Here are a few SIMPLE WAYS that YOU CAN HELP!!!
  
  
  -dave

  
  
  Thanks, Dave. Here's another simple way. Pick up a yard sign, and stick it in the front of your house. People will see it. It will make them think.
  
  And, better yet, if the people who see it know you and respect you, they are likely to think twice before voting "yes".
  
  Meanwhile, the Yes on 8 campaign is continuing it's deceitful ads full of misinformation. Fortunately, the No on 8 ads are peppering the TV and radio waves with calm, measured, anti-inflammatory rhetoric.
  
  John

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  Oct 31, 2008 2:12 AM GMT

  I just gave my $20. Not much, but it makes me feel better after I read on Monday that a rich bitch here in West Michigan donated $450,000 of her own money to California's Yes on Prop 8. She was also a major player in Michigan's constitutional amendment a few years back to forever ban gay marriage here (or so she thinks).

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  Oct 31, 2008 2:15 AM GMT

  I just donated and I'm in Massachusetts. We have our rights here, but we need them in more places so that they are valued outside our boarders.
  

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  Oct 31, 2008 2:17 AM GMT

  SamerHussein08 saidI am tired of Prop. 8 threads, articles on realjock and some Gay Californian people..

  
  
  California is the most populous state in the country. Defeat of Prop 8 here would be much more significant than its passage in other states just for the precedent it would set.
  
  The other issue is that the Pro 8 campaign is financed largely by out of state dollars...lots from the Mormon Church. It's also being funded by the Knights of Columbus....so who knows how many Catholic dollars are being funneled into the state by the Catholic Church. (And I am a former Catholic, by the way). I believe that the pro 8 forces are making a big stand in California...and if they win, it could mean a wave of anti gay marriage votes across the country.
  
  No one is saying, SamerHussein, that the other similar propositions are not important. However, even if you were right that these threads are dominated by California gay men, you'd be out of line. This is a significant vote for every gay person in the US.
  
  
  

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  Oct 31, 2008 2:39 AM GMT

  I think it does mean something to you, ultimately. "As goes California, so goes the country" is one popular saying. As much as I am working to defeat Prop 2 here in Florida, I think it's just as important--perhaps more important--to see Marriage Equality flourish in California. That's why I gave my 20 bucks.
  
  

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  Oct 31, 2008 3:01 AM GMT

  Actually, California and Connecticut (wow, that looks horribly misspelled...) have legal gay marriage.
  
  The significance of California and Prop 8 is that it would set a legal motion forward that would remove protections from the constitution and allow challenges in Mass. and CT.
  
  Sadly if Prop 8 wins those cases would stand a very good chance at winning.

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  Oct 31, 2008 3:54 AM GMT

  It has never been more pressing for all men and women to get involved, especially when it comes to something as deplorable as Proposition 8. The thing is, I don't know how to make YOU interested in this. I know you see the ads. And I know that you must realize that this directly affects YOU. And yet, I don't know how to make you actualize that this is just so damn important. The implications couldn't be greater.
  
  The reality is, Proposition 8 is a big waste of our time and resources. In reality, I should not be asking you to put your money into fighting Prop 8, instead, I should be asking you to be supporting the development of infrastructural programs that will benefit our youth. We need condom distribution programs that can help get young men to wear condoms and stop the further transmission of HIV and other STIs. We need programs that will promote education and will be up-to-speed with the vast numbers of young men who are coming out and are in great need of knowledge that nobody else is giving them. And the thing I need you to realize is, that with all of these programs, it is OUR responsibility to make these things happen. You and I have this incredible responsibility to make sure that the people who will follow us do not have to endure hardship-- why?-- because they don't have to and WE can make sure of that.
  
  And just as it will be our responsibility to fund those programs, it is now our responsibility to help as best as we can to fight Prop 8. Maybe you're not in the position to give twenty bucks, but that's okay. But you sure as hell better be out there on election day with a sign, fighting for YOUR rights. No free riders. We all need to be in this.
  
  And if you can give twenty bucks. Do it right now. RIGHT NOW. Even if you're a guy like me with zero-income... give up those few drinks you'll be having tomorrow night. Make a sacrifice tonight. If not for all the men who will follow, then do it for yourself for right NOW. And if you are one of the many many guys who will read this with a great amount of disposable income, then please, I need you to be just as invested in this fight as young people like me.
  
  Here's the link.
  Make the sacrifice.
  Join the fight tonight.
  YOU.
  Right now.
  
  
  a guy named dave.

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  Oct 31, 2008 4:54 AM GMT

  Just a small contribution, but you have some support in Georgia. I hope Prop 8 is defeated and the wave sweeps over the US!

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  Oct 31, 2008 5:38 AM GMT

  Awesome, let's keep it goin! I would love to see 20 guys here give 20 bucks. Guys, can we do that tonight?

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  Oct 31, 2008 5:54 AM GMT

  I just came out to my extended family tonight via a long plea on the family's MSN group site for them to consider voting NO on Prop 8. I've been mum on the sexuality thing with them for years out of respect for my mother, who's been petrified of what they'd think of her if I came out, but I decided the time was absolutely right. Within an hour I had an email from my ultraconservative, self-proclaimed militant republican cop uncle. Though we haven't even spoken in nearly a decade, he said he was proud of me for being so impassioned and so articulately presenting my case, and that though he rarely changes his mind on things once its made up, I moved him to reconsider. Now he's voting NO on Prop 8. It's a small start. And my money will be coming in the morning, when the next paycheck replenishes the bank account.

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  Oct 31, 2008 6:07 AM GMT

  california is the leading state in the leading country in the world (for better or worse)... what happens HERE matters EVERYWHERE.
  
  For instance, California was the first state to ban indoor smoking in the late 90's. Now that is the case for a lot of the US and much of Europe, where people NEVER thought that could happen.
  
  we're not being selfish... if WE win, YOU win. No, you will not immediately be able to marry in Alabama or Idaho or wherever you may be, but you will be one step closer.
  
  and by the way, you could also come here and get married. California, unlike Massachusettes, allows non-residents to marry here. then you can come back to your state and sue for them to recognize your out of state marriage... and the walls come crumbling down.
  
  WAKE UP!

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  Hunter9 saidcalifornia is the leading state in the leading country in the world (for better or worse)... what happens HERE matters EVERYWHERE.
  
  For instance, California was the first state to ban indoor smoking in the late 90's. Now that is the case for a lot of the US and much of Europe, where people NEVER thought that could happen.
  
  we're not being selfish... if WE win, YOU win. No, you will not immediately be able to marry in Alabama or Idaho or wherever you may be, but you will be one step closer.
  
  and by the way, you could also come here and get married. California, unlike Massachusettes, allows non-residents to marry here. then you can come back to your state and sue for them to recognize your out of state marriage... and the walls come crumbling down.
  
  WAKE UP!

  
  
  Indeed. I'm really not sure how any GLBT person, anywhere, can fail to see the importance of full support of the campaign against Proposition 8.

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  Oct 31, 2008 6:51 AM GMT

  Congrats on coming out, BTW, zd...huge step, and what a great payoff.

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  Oct 31, 2008 6:58 AM GMT

  zdrussein saidI just came out to my extended family tonight via a long plea on the family's MSN group site for them to consider voting NO on Prop 8. I've been mum on the sexuality thing with them for years out of respect for my mother, who's been petrified of what they'd think of her if I came out, but I decided the time was absolutely right. Within an hour I had an email from my ultraconservative, self-proclaimed militant republican cop uncle. Though we haven't even spoken in nearly a decade, he said he was proud of me for being so impassioned and so articulately presenting my case, and that though he rarely changes his mind on things once its made up, I moved him to reconsider. Now he's voting NO on Prop 8. It's a small start. And my money will be coming in the morning, when the next paycheck replenishes the bank account.

  
  
  Good for you! Congrats on coming out.

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  Oct 31, 2008 7:29 AM GMT

  Dave: I really really wish there were more gays out there like yourself. You have really given me some hope in our community.
  
  I have been donating, posting blogs, e-mailing my friends etc.. and hopefully this Tuesday my boyfriend and I will be donating our time at the polls to remind people to vote no on 8.
  
  You are doing a truly great service to yourself, to the gay community here in CA, the rest of the states and the rest of the world.
  
  You make me proud, and I don't say that about a lot of people!
  
  I hope everyone here can help out and make the next few days a success in terms of raising money, getting the word out and educating people on this horrible horrible proposition.
  
  And to you and the others, don't pay attention to the naysayers here. While it is important to defeat all propositions/amendments such as prop 8, the majority of us understand that what goes on here in CA has a rippling effect on the rest of this country and possibly the world.
  
  While this may seem like a very strong statement, it's very true.
  
  I grew up in San Francisco and am proud of my city every single day for being the progressive city that regardless of any problems it may have (just like any other city), it provides for and fights for the one fundamental issue that faces this world: Human Rights.
  
  Dave, I really appreciate your help in this fight and to the rest of those who are fighting in opposition to prop 8, keep doing your best to show the world that these bigots cannot, and will not win. Whatever the outcome, just know that justice will come sooner or later. We will not be treated as second class citizens.
  
  Thank you.

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  Oct 31, 2008 3:56 PM GMT

  zdrussein: Congrats man... now THAT is power!
  
  Jewcydude: Thanks so much... just doin what we all should be doin!
  
  GUYS!!!
  
  Thank you so much to the guys who have followed this link and helped out by giving twenty bucks to help defeat Prop 8. IT WILL HELP!! And YOU are the reason for it!! And there is still time to be a part of this.
  
  Whether its a few drinks that you'll be giving up as you celebrate Halloween... or maybe you'll stay in next week and make dinner instead of going out... ALL OF US can give twenty bucks, right here, right now. Here's the link. Give more if you can. Let's get this meter up to 20 people by tonight!! Let's get this DONE!!!
  
  RIGHT HERE! RIGHT NOW!

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  Nov 02, 2008 7:22 AM GMT

  ZDrew - congratulations and best wishes with your family. Based upon how I felt, I can imagine how you feel about the great burden lifted from your shoulders. I'm sure your family is very proud to have you as a son / nephew.
  
  Regarding the defeat of Props. 8 and 102, I've just made anther contribution from my personal account and have directed that a substantive grant be made from our family foundation. I got no argument from any of the other board members. Let's all help in any way we can - it is that important!

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  Nov 02, 2008 7:29 AM GMT

  daveZA saidAwesome, let's keep it goin! I would love to see 20 guys here give 20 bucks. Guys, can we do that tonight?

  
  
  Already contributed - Sure hope the rest of you will pitch in!

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  Nov 02, 2008 6:54 PM GMT

  
  
  Time to wake up guys. This is who you're up against. It's not too late.
  
  If you are in the position, whether you live in California or not, and this is something that YOU believe in, then please contribute 20 bucks right now to help defeat Prop 8!

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