Interesting Look on Gay Marriage from Andrew Sullivan

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  Nov 02, 2008 5:44 PM GMT

  http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/11/marriage-glamou.html
  
  "The drive for gay marriage represents the end of the sexual revolution. Marriage lost its glamour. It lost its connection to sex. Divorce got so easy that "single mom" became a sympathetic political trope. Cohabitation became normal. Nowadays, nobody--least of all gays--has to get married to be a respectable member of society. And yet people want to get married. They want to bind themselves to be monogamous. They want to promise in public to face bad breath in the morning. That's pretty remarkable."
  

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  Nov 02, 2008 7:03 PM GMT

  Interesting article.
  
  I think Sullivan, when thinking that conservatives should be happy about gay marriage, misses that to true conservatives, divorce and cohabitation out of wedlock irk them just as much as gay marriage. All those things to them represent the cheapening of a sacred institution that only exists in some 1940's version of society.
  
  The gay community did itself a great service in the 1980's when it began to move from the more "marginalized" (as Sullivan puts it) display of sexual (and social) revolt to putting forth more educated and upstanding members of the community. I think in answer to Sullivan's question, this was a matter of political necessity. The gay rights movement has broken so much ground by saying, "Look, we're just like straight people."

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  Nov 02, 2008 8:11 PM GMT

  SamerHussein08 saidNow I don't want to get marry, after seeing all this prop. 8 threads on realjock. Thanks, now I can focus being single.

  
  
  You may not want to get married, but those of us that do have the right to. It's discriminatory to take a right from us just because we love a man.
  
  so please vote No on prop 8

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  Nov 02, 2008 9:29 PM GMT

  SamerHussein08 saidI will vote No prop. 8.

  
  
  thanks

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  Nov 02, 2008 9:31 PM GMT

  I've allways generally liked Andrew Sullivan..

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  Nov 02, 2008 10:15 PM GMT

  my only desire is that gays can no longer be treated like second class citizens whether I ever get married or not.

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  Nov 02, 2008 10:37 PM GMT

  I voted no on Florida's Amendment 2, also anti-gay marriage. Sullivan talks about marriage's lost glamour and connection to sex, and marriage being no longer essential to respectability.
  
  But he overlooks a primary reason gays want full marriage equality: legal protection for the couple. It's not about appearances, but about substance and standing.

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  Nov 03, 2008 6:09 AM GMT

  Red_Hussein_Vespa saidBut he overlooks a primary reason gays want full marriage equality: legal protection for the couple. It's not about appearances, but about substance and standing.

  
  Thank you for pointing this out. I think too often people get caught up in some transcendental quality to marriage when gays are really just seeking equal regard in the eye's of the law compared to straight 'married' couples.

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  Nov 03, 2008 6:48 AM GMT

  
  If you like Sullivan, check out this article:
  
  || Here Comes the Groom: A (Conservative) Case for Gay Marriage
  http://www3.shastacollege.edu/lfong/Sullivan_Gay_Marriage.htm
  
  It appeared in The New Republic nearly 20 years ago!
  
  
  

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