Mormons need to be taught a lesson...

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    Nov 08, 2008 9:37 AM GMT
    Triggerman who are you emailing??????
    Who at Sundance.??????
    Who could possibly take up the fight there?
    Most of those people are out of state people who probably feel the same about gay marriage ...hence preaching to the choir.....The people you need to target are the Church people.

    if you got a problem with me being here, just say it dude...SAY IT!
    Im equally irritated with you because you so willfully act like the mysterious
    go to dude but you say nothing!
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    Nov 08, 2008 9:54 AM GMT
    Smthbear-

    Nothing mysterious at all.

    Problem with you? Huh? You? No. I do not know you and have no problem with you. I was just responding to your response to me.

    You can say it is better to attack the state. Feel free to do that. I think that is pointless and a waste of time. But feel free to do it.

    I say attack the people that agree with us but still do business with a state like Utah. Attacking Utah or the Mormon church is a huge waste of time. Attack groups like Sundance Film Festival that bring tons of money into Utah, and we will have more power. Same thing we did with South Africa. When businesses learned that it was not in their best interest to do business with South Africa, they stopped. Then SA had to make a decision. Lose business or change. They changed.

    Write letters, protest all you want against the state of Utah. I do not think it will go anywhere but if that makes you happy, do it. I would rather talk to the groups that bring money into Utah, like Sundance, and convince them not to. Money talks. Make groups like Sundance feel the heat for holding their event in a state like Utah that supports everything they are against.

    It is not about you. It is not about me. It is about strategy. Sorry if you take that personally. It isn't.
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    Nov 08, 2008 10:06 AM GMT
    BTW Triggerman since you got all the bravado to say what you wanna say...why don't you be the big bright cheif so that everyone can follow huh?

    Do you know any Mormon people?
    Do you know any Mormon gays?
    Do you know any excommunicated LDS who were former Missionaries who are currently gay and how they combat this issue?

    Do you know how they address one another....they never call each other Mormon! It's LDS and / or brother or sister.
    Do you know how they (the opposition) collected the money and what they did to it within the State of CA so that they could do what they could do?
    What about the partners that they developed with in the State so that they could produce and show those vile commercials.
    Do you know who they are?
    Did the gay organizations in CA do enough to find out about their opposing side(s) when trying to understand what they were going to do to defeat Prop 8?
    AND if so why did they not do anything about , or waited so late to respond or not take the threat seriously.
    When it happend to us in Hawaii where was our support from out of state?
    When it comes to the dynamics of all this in CA many cite race as a factor in loosing Prop 8. What are the gay organizations going to do to combat that achilles heel? In the 90's the loudest, richest, seemingly most educated gay men in Hawaii were white. They survived the AIDS epidemic here in Honolulu relatively well as for the rest of the non-white gay people.
    Filipinos, Portuguese, Hawaiians, Samoans, bi/tri/quad racials with and without white, Chinese, Japanese and Vietnamese relatively languished and died because the majority of the populace thought only white , loud, rich gay men had AIDS, hence they got the attention and therefore they got the help. My take is that its almost the same there in CA. I worked AIDS hospice thru the 90;s and buried a lot LOT of people. I purposefully PUT myself there...albiet not as verbose as you...but I make sure that I am seen and participate so that folks know that there ARE others NOT like them striving for the same goal maybe from a different stand point but nonetheless striving! You don't have to like me, you don't even have to engage with me but I have a right to be here too. If you don't like what I have to say or you just don't like me because Im different then bruddah thats your problem.

    BTW like the bod, like the face don't like the tude nor the game! So Whatever!
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    Nov 08, 2008 10:07 AM GMT
    Who did I email?

    I emailed their complaint department. I don't care if it is in state or not. What difference does that make? I assume it is out of state. What possible difference does that make?

    I want the organization, wherever it is based, to know that I think that holding their film festival in a state that supplied the most money to enact Prop 8 is wrong. That they should think about where they hold their event. That by holding the event in Park City they were putting millions of dollars in revenue into a state that worked to deny civil rights to Gays and Lesbians. And that maybe they should think twice. If Utah denied rights to black Americans, would Sundance still hold their event there? Why should we be any different?

    Money talks. Utah needs the revenue from the Sundance Film Festival. It generates millions. Could Redford not move it to a place that does not discriminate against gays? That's all I am saying.
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    Nov 08, 2008 10:11 AM GMT
    said nothing about writing the state....thats you in your mind about whatever

    didn't say anything about writing the church YOU said that.

    what I am saying is the money is coming from the CHURCH. The church and its leadership is who you approach.

    okay lets back up....who was the major entity that helped to bring the situation at hand....the church.

    FOCUS come on!
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    Nov 08, 2008 10:18 AM GMT
    Jeezus-

    So many questions and so little to do with anything I said. Your vitriole is apparent. Why the venom is pointed at me I have no idea. Nor do I care. You have issues, but not with me.

    I can't answer all your questions. I am not sure they all were really questions or just a chance for you to vent.

    But I will try-

    Yes, I do know Mormons. Quite a few. My workout partner is a Mormon. I have also dated many. Or LDS. If nomenclature is a big issue with you.

    The rest? I think it is awesome that you did HIV work. Not sure how that works into anything I said, but apparently it means allot to you. I applaud you.

    The rest? Sorry, but your venting does not require a response from me.

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    Nov 08, 2008 10:25 AM GMT
    OK Smthbear-

    Let's focus. It came from the church. So, we write letters to the church. We can't boycott the church, so we write letters to the church. LDS. Mormons. Whatever.

    And when they get all of these letters? What? They will say, "Gosh, we got all of these letters from gay people. We must be doing something wrong. Maybe we were wrong. We should really change our ways."

    OK, if that seems like a reasonable course of action to get change, go for it. Start a letter writing campaign to the LDS hierarchy. Maybe they will see the errors of their way and change.
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    Nov 08, 2008 10:30 AM GMT
    "You don't have to like me, you don't even have to engage with me but I have a right to be here too. If you don't like what I have to say or you just don't like me because Im different then bruddah thats your problem."


    Huh? Are you reading what I post or just reacting to your own inner demons? I have said nothing of the sort and resent the implication that I did. How would I know you are different and really why would I care? I respond to what you write. I AM engaging you. Again, HUH?


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    Nov 08, 2008 10:43 AM GMT
    So why do people choose to do business in Utah?
    Especially the movie industry?
    Well lets see could it be that they need more land, more better views, better locals who can be their production assitants and grips.
    Could it be that it saves them money...ah yes thats a big one.
    BUT something else is awry...hmmm lets see does TV and the movie industry relfect society all around the USA? NO but having people who look like them sells and makes big profits so lets go to Utah.

    Mormon friend of mine tells me that working in LA is getting so hard. Life isn't as it used to be as there are too many eithnics and alternative folk living there. Were moving to Utah where at least its like the 70's and we can find the Partridge and Brady look a like families there.
    She says that LA will always be LA but come on its not safe and Utah well
    its America at its best!

    Her brother a second counsoler in the LDS Bishopric ( okay let me translate...one of the leaders of a congregation of LDS there in Sundance) in a Ward in Sundance tells me "Oh the California element comes here to Sundance but the money really doesn't stay here . It comes and goes with the element but really it doesnt stay here. Besides most of our neighbors are from out of state , very rarely do you find a Native Utahn ( this one I can never get...unless youre of Native American descent how can you be a Native Utahn...oh thats right GOD told you ! Hmmmm wheres that in the doctrine?) that actually lives here in Sundance. Theyre basically all gentiles.

    LDS people pay 10th tithe to the church. There are a lot LOT of LDS millionaires and LDS companies that do so. ON TOP of the money they donate to the church they are asked to use their time and effort in building up the kingdom of god. This means they also use personal income to support the causes that they are asked to support. It gets political and then you have whole factions donating to the cause even though many don't feel that way...they don't want to stand out like a sore thumb and actively show obedience by complying. Politically in the church heirchy...and it over flows into daily life as well.....its remembered and rewarded with a church position or something similar. SO, aside from the money being collected by the small movie industry in Sundance the old money there that is there and will always be there is Church money.

    There are deep pockets of finances at the disposal of the church. Yes, it helps to make the members self reliant and not NOT dependant upon the state. So, that is what its like to deal financially with the LDS church. The financial resources available to the church is vast. If you are going to go up agains the church then you need to know of your funding and what it can do for you. If you are going tit for tat with finances more than likely this is what you'll come up against. SO, with that info what can be done for our cause?
    How do we use this to help us and our cause.

    BTW I know that there are a lot of other LDS/exLDS gay men out there.probably reading this entry. If you have anything to add please do so.
    I think folks here need a little bit of understanding as to who they really are dealing with and what needs to be done to keep the fight on our side going.
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    Nov 08, 2008 10:44 AM GMT
    what ever trigger whatever!
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    Nov 08, 2008 10:54 AM GMT
    trigger- how do you know that IM different....in a past post you scolded me for "coming on here and telling us folk what not to do" and you resented it.

    you called me Hawaii forgetting that I do have a handle, tells me that its too hard to remember the name which is a form of condescention .

    You shout at me,,,, In capital letters...about taking a look at your post as your basically saying the same thing...hmm not a lot of patience on your part especially in this media where we both could be typing at the same time and not know when a post is going to come up.


    so you resent that ...fine resent away....I dont' care.
    have been resented by bigger more reckoning men than you....got over that
    real easy. So you know ....whatever.
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    Nov 08, 2008 11:00 AM GMT
    Again-

    Another large post. From reading it, it has nothing to do with anything I said or wrote. Since it has nothing to do whatsoever with anything I said or wrote, I will not presume that it was written needing a response from me. I was attacked once for responding to a reply that followed one of mine saying I was egotistical to think that it was meant for me. I will not make that same mistake twice.

    Respond to what I wrote and I will gladly respond back. Otherwise, I have no interest. I enjoyed reading it, though. But unless it is specifically directed to me, I probably should not answer.
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    Nov 08, 2008 11:04 AM GMT

    yeah uh okay....short attention span and playing the attorney thing only talk about the things I talk about 3 seconds ago and never mind the conversation that got you into hot water say last week. okay I got it ...game on.

    and yes, maybe you shouldn't respond.....since the attention span isnt' there.
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    Nov 08, 2008 11:12 AM GMT
    ruck_us said
    MunchingZombie said
    AMT87 said

    I never understood the attraction, but apparently some guys have told me they know guys who have a thing for them....


    There is this attraction to any guy who comes to your door. Look at the porn archetypes: the pizza guy, the plumber, the fireman, and now the Mormon missionary enters the exalted pantheon of fuck. I am glad they succeeded where the census worked did not.





    I love this movie.

    I really don't like where this thread has gone.

    This isn't about bashing Mormons or fighting.

    It is about articulated legal action against an organization that is interfering with our due process and legal rights as Americans.

    How to file an IRS complaint against the LDS church:

    http://lds501c3.wordpress.com/2008/10/29/how-to-file-an-irs-501c3-complaint/
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    Nov 08, 2008 11:14 AM GMT
    Again-

    Huh? This is getting to be a bit too weird for even me. I did what? When? Where?

    I never speak in all Caps. I don't remember doing anything that you just said I do.

    I do see that you liked me previously. On my "bully" post, the last thing you said in response was, "I like you". From then to now, what and where did I write or do anything that you said I did? When?

    I do not care if people attack anything I say. I actually love it. It opens up a discussion.

    But, do not accuse me of things I did not do. That pisses me off. If I did it, quote me and show everyone and I will apologize. If not, stop accusing me of things I did not do or say. I will not suffer your problems.
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    Nov 08, 2008 11:21 AM GMT
    regarding the caps

    entry #521 November 6 @ 1012pm
    ....and yes I do like you, you have a mighty fine build and nice smile...just don't like the attitude by which you pick at people for period
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    Nov 08, 2008 11:24 AM GMT
    Triggerman saidREAD MY POST JUST ABOVE YOURS.
    here you go....
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    Nov 08, 2008 11:33 AM GMT
    That was in caps to save someone time, not to shout. If you read his response and mine you would see that I agreed with him and he with me. It was to get his attention to see that I had written something similar, not to shout. It was only a short line to get his attention since posts go by so fast. It was not in caps to disagree with the other poster. It was only to catch the eye of a similar thinking poster.

    It was specific to him, not you or anyone else. So why would that bother you? Why do you take it so personally?
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    Nov 08, 2008 5:03 PM GMT
    Triggerman saidAgain-

    Huh? This is getting to be a bit too weird for even me. I did what? When? Where?

    I never speak in all Caps. I don't remember doing anything that you just said I do.

    I do see that you liked me previously. On my "bully" post, the last thing you said in response was, "I like you". From then to now, what and where did I write or do anything that you said I did? When?

    I do not care if people attack anything I say. I actually love it. It opens up a discussion.

    But, do not accuse me of things I did not do. That pisses me off. If I did it, quote me and show everyone and I will apologize. If not, stop accusing me of things I did not do or say. I will not suffer your problems.



    Never speak in caps huh.....theres the shadow of the doubt...
    Okay...well Im done with you.....take care, have a nice life.....your proof that the problem with our community is ...ah why even bother just casting my pearls to swine......