California black voters: how ironic

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    Nov 07, 2008 5:13 AM GMT
    California may be pretty liberal but it has such a large demographic that hails from other regions of the country. They have consistently had issues with gay rights, which is stupid considering they allow Domestic Unions and anything they have tried to pass as far as marriage goes always fails.

    And on the black side, like someone wrote before me, since being gay is so looked down upon in the black community, I think so many blacks being proud feel you are taking on a double dose of intolerance and prejudice.

    If it were me, when I found out how much money the mormon's put into that I would have voted just the opposite. Religion has no place in politics and vice versa.

    Not the grind the chicken thing any anymore than needed be.... but, I do not eat chicken (allergy) hate watermelon (nasty) do not drink orange or grape or strawberry soda (drink no soda/pop) nor do I drink cool aid or 40's. HA!

    but I do love collard greens, but only if I make them. hehe

    let's plan a million drag march!! icon_twisted.gif get us some RIGHTS!
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    Nov 07, 2008 5:18 AM GMT
    ucla_matta saidProp 8 really brought a bittersweet twist to Obama's victory.

    C'est la vie.


    Ok can we also not forget that until 2009 George W. Bush is still our President. Up until the day before yesterday, Obama didn't even know if he was win the Presidencey so I'm not understanding how his winning is getting tainted by this. Most people even before the election had most likely made of their minds about Prop 8 even before two days ago.
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    Nov 07, 2008 5:28 AM GMT
    maxxtowt said
    ucla_matta saidProp 8 really brought a bittersweet twist to Obama's victory.

    C'est la vie.


    Ok can we also not forget that until 2009 George W. Bush is still our President. Up until the day before yesterday, Obama didn't even know if he was win the Presidencey so I'm not understanding how his winning is getting tainted by this. Most people even before the election had most likely made of their minds about Prop 8 even before two days ago.


    Living in California, I was excited to think that not only would Obama win, but my civil rights would be ensured...alas, I was only given one of the two victories.
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    Nov 07, 2008 5:45 AM GMT
    jakebenson saidOf the (straight) black voters who came out in large numbers to overwhemingly vote for Obama in a successful attempt to shatter racial barriers, ironically decided to oppress gay marriage with a 70% YES on Prop 8 vote. I think this demographic is up to par with the Mormons and heavy church goers. I always thought black people were just like white people: equally biased if not less biased. But I guess not when it comes to bum fun. icon_sad.gif

    Wow, a black president. I guess the battle is won right? Wrong. Can I have my fucking rights now?

    I guess that makes gay the new black? KFC is mine now! icon_lol.gif

    Actually, I don't doubt part of this due to the fact that the gay scene is very white dominant. Too bad the gays weren't able to reach out to the black voters.

    Anyway, let the flames BEGIN!
    (btw I'm not racist. I've seen all the threads bashing Mormons and church goers. Why not blacks? They voted with the same bias.)


    I can't disagree with any of this. It was even well written and I think the lack of flames being thrown is just further proof that it is the hurtful truth.
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    Nov 07, 2008 5:50 AM GMT
    I generally don't trust black people because I think they like to steal. So I'm not surprised that they stole our rights...
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    Nov 07, 2008 5:52 AM GMT
    First off... I am not writting this out of anger. This is my worldview--the way I see the world--which may or may not be correct.

    Second, know that the state I come from if one of the least diversified states in the Union. Our poputlation is 98.7% white... pretty sad. I do see black people, and asians now and then, but life in maine is pretty Vanilla.

    But i have a theory about the "black vote" and Prop 8 These theories are based on what I have read, seen in real life, and/ or on TV.

    As a whole, I think African-Americans are very religious. They may be democrats but their social viewpoints line up well with the religious right. Not only are most black people religious... they are a part of religions which thrive on "black and white (no pun intended), right and wrong" ideals. Southern Baptists, Evangelicals, non-Denominational christian, etc. At th
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    Nov 07, 2008 5:56 AM GMT
    chitown_mofo saidI generally don't trust black people because I think they like to steal. So I'm not surprised that they stole our rights...


    Wow...this post definately took a MAJOR turn, I'm only speechless at this point...I mean you're opinions are you're opinions but it really shouldn't come to making comments like this.
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    Nov 07, 2008 6:01 AM GMT
    i don't feel like reading all this:


    gimme the reader's digest version... has anyone discussed ways of bridging this chasm?
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    Nov 07, 2008 6:03 AM GMT
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    jakebenson saidOf the (straight) black voters who came out in large numbers to overwhemingly vote for Obama in a successful attempt to shatter racial barriers, ironically decided to oppress gay marriage with a 70% YES on Prop 8 vote. I think this demographic is up to par with the Mormons and heavy church goers. I always thought black people were just like white people: equally biased if not less biased. But I guess not when it comes to bum fun. icon_sad.gif

    Wow, a black president. I guess the battle is won right? Wrong. Can I have my fucking rights now?

    I guess that makes gay the new black? KFC is mine now! icon_lol.gif

    Actually, I don't doubt part of this due to the fact that the gay scene is very white dominant. Too bad the gays weren't able to reach out to the black voters.

    Anyway, let the flames BEGIN!
    (btw I'm not racist. I've seen all the threads bashing Mormons and church goers. Why not blacks? They voted with the same bias.)


    I can't disagree with any of this. It was even well written and I think the lack of flames being thrown is just further proof that it is the hurtful truth.


    So Guilty, proceed in the black bashing.
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    Nov 07, 2008 6:04 AM GMT
    The GWM struggles will never be the same as those of people of color. It just isn't. Our history is diffrent. We people of color have been dealing with this for centuries not for dacades. I know that some of you may like me saying this but the truth is the truth and that is our HISTORY!

    Once we accept it then we can move forward and deal with the current issue before us as I have said before. If by saying this makes me the scourge (sp) of the earth then you know it is what it is.

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    Nov 07, 2008 6:07 AM GMT
    maxxtowt saidWow...this post definately took a MAJOR turn, I'm only speechless at this point...I mean you're opinions are you're opinions but it really shouldn't come to making comments like this.


    Yeah seriously. What's with all the hate in the threads lately? It's one thing to be upset, but to lash out and make blanket attacks on a group is not going to get us anywhere.
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    Nov 07, 2008 6:09 AM GMT
    ahem...


    i said: AHEM...


    as in, ah-mutherfucking-hem - is anyone going to talk about WAYS OF BRIDGING THIS CHASM or not? if not i'm done with this thread... just let me know now
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    Nov 07, 2008 6:09 AM GMT
    dancerjack saidi don't feel like reading all this:


    gimme the reader's digest version... has anyone discussed ways of bridging this chasm?


    I think I've tried a couple of times...
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    Nov 07, 2008 6:10 AM GMT
    sol, i think you and i need to do a 2-man-march on this damn thread
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    Nov 07, 2008 6:10 AM GMT
    chitown_mofo saidI generally don't trust black people because I think they like to steal. So I'm not surprised that they stole our rights...


    Is this the newly e-reincarnated John?
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    Nov 07, 2008 6:17 AM GMT
    The first thing to remember is that every minorities experience is different. The Black experience does not equal the Asian one, nor does it equal the Latino experience or the experience of any other minority, including homosexuals.

    Also you can't assume that a groups experience with discrimination makes them more sensitive to the discriminatory experiences of other groups -- it doesn't. African Americans, Homsexuals and Jews are all probably good examples of this, and the fact that the discrimination probably makes them obcess and focus more on the fact that they've been discriminated against than focusing on that others may have been discriminated against as well, or being able to emphathize with others.

    Also African Americans didn't cause proposition 8 to fail, yes they voted strongly against it, but there aren't enought African Americans in California to make an overwhelming difference. Furthermore you can't lump Latinos with African Americans -- they voted much closer to the 50 percent mark, and actually very close to the actual outcome of the proposition. Bottom line: not all minorities voted the same -- and Asians and Whites opposed the measure by razor thing margins. Again not all minorities have the same history or see the world in the same way -- or are necessarily beholden to tradition.

    Yes, African Americans are very religious and culturally conservative, but is that surprising? African American culture formed in the South during slavery, and in many ways is not that different than white culture that formed in the South. Yes, Southern whites and blacks vote for different political parties, but that is due to political issues and history and not due to cultural issues, and both came about from the same environment. The same religious/cultural impulses course through both groups -- and Southern whites took that culture with them when they migrated out of the South as well, it's just not as obvious for reasons of skin color.

    Finally, if we had wanted to reach African Americans we should have focused much more on religious leaders who support homosexuality and particularly Black religious leaders -- and there are many, including such prominent voices as Desmond Tutue from South African and widely respected, and has spoken out strongly against discrimination in any form, including homosexuality. If you want to convince people you need to use terms and language they can understand, and use people they can relate to and understand and respect.
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    Nov 07, 2008 6:17 AM GMT
    Yes I think so Juh! WOW! I Guess he's met every African American in the during his young life we have all stolen from him good lord!
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    Nov 07, 2008 6:20 AM GMT
    Look, this is easily explained by the correlation between religiosity and cultural background. Years of discrimination and oppression of black people in this country understandably led to an adherence to religion, which has been the driving force of every civil rights uprising in the past 50 years (all prominent black civil rights leaders were religious figures, King Jr, Malcolm X, Rev Jackson, Rev Sharpton).

    When oppressed by a government or ruling class, history almost always shows that the targets of the oppression turn to religious leaders and doctrine for releif.

    Unfortunately, the civil rights movement we find ourselves in now (gay rights) directly contradicts the doctrine of those religious convictions AND is kind of a smack in the face to the Black civil rights movement - "HOW DARE YOU SPEAK OF OPPRESSION AND DISCRIMINATION WHEN WE HAVE BEEN THROUGH SO MUCH MORE!!!!"

    For the str8 black voter, a vote against gay marriage is an affirmation of the religious dogma that guided the black civil rights movement for decades, and also belittles any similarities between the Gay rights and Black civil rights movement.

    Its ironic, but not surprising...
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    Nov 07, 2008 6:27 AM GMT
    chitown_mofo saidLook, this is easily explained by the correlation between religiosity and cultural background. Years of discrimination and oppression of black people in this country understandably led to an adherence to religion, which has been the driving force of every civil rights uprising in the past 50 years (all prominent black civil rights leaders were religious figures, King Jr, Malcolm X, Rev Jackson, Rev Sharpton).

    When oppressed by a government or ruling class, history almost always shows that the targets of the oppression turn to religious leaders and doctrine for releif.

    Unfortunately, the civil rights movement we find ourselves in now (gay rights) directly contradicts the doctrine of those religious convictions AND is kind of a smack in the face to the Black civil rights movement - "HOW DARE YOU SPEAK OF OPPRESSION AND DISCRIMINATION WHEN WE HAVE BEEN THROUGH SO MUCH MORE!!!!"

    For the str8 black voter, a vote against gay marriage is an affirmation of the religious dogma that guided the black civil rights movement for decades, and also belittles any similarities between the Gay rights and Black civil rights movement.

    Its ironic, but not surprising...


    Oh ok I get it, so that's why in your OWN WORDS!!!

    "generally don't trust black people because I think they like to steal. So I'm not surprised that they stole our rights"

    thanks for the clear up...
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    Nov 07, 2008 6:29 AM GMT
    Suck on this, Jakebenson, it made me feel better. (WARNING) hateful language within.
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    maxxtowt said

    Oh ok I get it, so that's why in your OWN WORDS!!!

    "generally don't trust black people because I think they like to steal. So I'm not surprised that they stole our rights"

    thanks for the clear up...


    Buddy, the original comment was meant to be irony, i think that was kinda clear, maybe not...
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    Nov 07, 2008 6:43 AM GMT
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    maxxtowtb]Oh ok I get it, so that's why in your OWN WORDS!!!

    "generally don't trust black people because I think they like to steal. So I'm not surprised that they stole our rights"

    thanks for the clear up...[/b]


    chito_mofoBuddy, the original comment was meant to be irony, i think that was kinda clear, maybe not...


    Chito_mofo, your comment appeared to come out of the blue and hardly ironic, and the reference to the John was to a former member who was ultimately removed for his racist comments on this site. There's nothing that seems inherently ironic about your comment, but plenty that seems very overtly racist about it.
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    Nov 07, 2008 6:54 AM GMT
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    Nov 07, 2008 6:56 AM GMT
    Voting to deny anybody the same rights you have is WRONG. The AA menbers who went to the polls and vote YES on Prop 8 should have worn KKK Hoods for they were no Better.
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    Nov 07, 2008 7:01 AM GMT
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