Now that the election is over...what do you think of the Clintons?

  • silverfox

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    Nov 09, 2008 6:03 AM GMT
    Tonight I remembered back to the Democratic primary season when the Clintons were making the argument against Barack Obama to super delegates saying "He can't win".

    I hated that argument then, and I really think it changed how I felt about the Clintons in general.

    I am glad the Clinton's were proved wrong.
    Yes we can.

    Throughout the next stages of the campaign season I felt they dragged their feet by doing the minimum requirement until they realized that with or with out their help, Barack Obama was most likely going to be the next President.

    They came back and really turned it on but for me it was a little too late.

    What do you think of the Clintons?

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    Nov 09, 2008 6:07 AM GMT
    I don't think about the Clintons at all frankly. It is my hope that with dreams of the White House out of her mind my senator fulfills her senatorial campaign promise of new jobs in Western New York, something which has has not simply remained at a zero net gain but actually gone into the negative.
  • Koaa2

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    Nov 09, 2008 1:22 PM GMT
    Bill Clinton gave us 8 of the best years we have had in recent history. They are politicians and are just like every other politician, they will do anything to get elected and re-elected. Most of the bad press they get, is just spin from their opposition. Bill and Hillary have done a lot for the Black cause. I also think Hillary staying in the primary race, made Obama a much better candidate against McSame. I think they are two of the brightest people in the political world.
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    Nov 09, 2008 6:06 PM GMT
    I still love me some Hillary.

    Bill is, was, too conservative for me. His charm always eluded me. But I always loved me some Hillary.
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    Nov 09, 2008 6:08 PM GMT

    someone should ask this dog..
  • EricLA

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    Nov 09, 2008 6:11 PM GMT
    When it comes to the Clinton presidency, I'd still consider it among the very best of my lifetime. But the actions of the Clintons over the past year have made me wonder if some -- SOME -- of the conservative criticisms while they were office were valid. But, let me be clear, I think there were conservatives who were hellbent at derailing the Clinton presidency from the get go, which is not something you can hold against the Clintons.

    So, perhaps I'm a bit more suspicious of the Clintons now and do not hold them in as great esteem as I did. I think Obama made the right choice in not choosing Hillary as his running mate. I think there would have been distinct benefits, but if he wants a clean slate and to chart a new course he couldn't have them on the ticket.

    But, if I'm asked to name the one famous person I'd want to have lunch with, it would still be Bill Clinton.

    And I'm thankful that they showed themselves to be loyal Democrats and did what they needed to do to get President-elect Obama elected. For that, they have my gratitude.
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    Nov 09, 2008 6:17 PM GMT

    What I've always thought: they're creepy and they're spooky, they're alltogether ooky.
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    Nov 09, 2008 6:49 PM GMT
    Oh, the Clintons... they were -- are -- fighters. It's how they survived the onslaught of right-wing BS in the 90s, and it's why I think they were certain in their own heads that Obama was an intellectual creampuff who couldn't carry this country... and, tangentially, that central Pennsylvania was too damn racist to vote for a black guy.

    I wasn't very confident on either of those points until about September, so I can't fault them for making the case behind closed doors. Their conduct around the South Carolina primary, on the other hand, burned me pretty bad, and had Hillary taken the nomination I don't think I would've voted. (Then again, I'm in California, so it hardly would've mattered.)

    But, I dunno, it seems easy to forgive when hindsight shows how much of their actions were desparate flaling around of powerhouses beaten at their own game. And I have to say, Hillary was proven right that June was hardly too late in the calendar to start mending party scars.

    I guess I'm too prone to thinking about the sport of politics to hold a grudge with them for playing it.
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    Nov 09, 2008 6:51 PM GMT
    My opinion of them has not changed. They are political streetfighters. Very smart, very ambitious, very hard working, and not to be crossed.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Nov 09, 2008 6:56 PM GMT
    Well the rank at the top of my list, both of them. Nobody's perfect, but I view them with complete respect, both politically and personally.

    Bill came along at a time that democrats had been kicked around for years.
    He showed a sense of toughness, competence and put the democratic party back on track and showed some of the old bullshit ("tax and spend") was just bullshit. While the Monica behavior was really poor, overall my views remain very positive.

    In my view, Hillary Clinton should have been president. I think she's great, but it wasn't to be and I've supported Obama and hope he will be very successful.
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    Nov 09, 2008 7:41 PM GMT
    Love them. Voted for Clinton in the primary and voted for Obama in the election and felt good about doing both when the time came for doing so. It was a great year for democrats regarding presidential elections and choice of two positives in the primaries, in my opinion.

    The Clintons have kept redefining themselves, and while I don't view them as perfect either, they repeatedly accomplish things well beyond my expectations.