Trans fats: FDA moves to reduce artery-clogger trans fats in processed foods

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    Nov 09, 2013 4:43 PM GMT
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    tantiboh saidDude. I generally don't eat that crap, but what about freedom? What business has the FDA got telling me what I can or cannot eat?

    Let's be honest: it tastes good. If I want to splurge on some french fries, I know what I'm doing to myself. Why is the government in the business of protecting me from me?

    /rant


    The government has a right to do this and it is in the Constitution where it says the government has to look out for the general welfare of the citizens.


    Wow. OK, have fun with that. Ima go to my mountain hideout with my guns and beans.


    lool you gonna shoot yourself in the head or just fart to death?


    You are just a barrel of laughs, and insight. Always a joy to watch your wit at work.
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    Nov 09, 2013 4:47 PM GMT
    tantiboh said
    somersault said
    tantiboh said
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    tantiboh saidDude. I generally don't eat that crap, but what about freedom? What business has the FDA got telling me what I can or cannot eat?

    Let's be honest: it tastes good. If I want to splurge on some french fries, I know what I'm doing to myself. Why is the government in the business of protecting me from me?

    /rant


    The government has a right to do this and it is in the Constitution where it says the government has to look out for the general welfare of the citizens.


    Wow. OK, have fun with that. Ima go to my mountain hideout with my guns and beans.


    lool you gonna shoot yourself in the head or just fart to death?


    You are just a barrel of laughs, and insight. Always a joy to watch your wit at work.

    He has a point though. You sound like you're on the payroll of big tobacco. Don't listen to the surgeon general, kids, addiction is freedom.
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    Nov 09, 2013 6:56 PM GMT
    What's next on their list? Where does it end? Popcorn served at movie theaters contributes to obesity. Are they going to ban popcorn at movie theaters? Or just do a Bloomberg and limit you to 10 kernels?
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    Nov 09, 2013 7:32 PM GMT
    MisterWhatsIt saidWhat's next on their list? Where does it end? Popcorn served at movie theaters contributes to obesity. Are they going to ban popcorn at movie theaters? Or just do a Bloomberg and limit you to 10 kernels?

    Please state your source that popcorn causes obesity. And Mayor Bloomberg came to office as a Republican. So whose "list" is this? Democrat or Republican?

    Do you also object to limitations on cigarette sales? Alcohol to minors? Narcotics? Should the government restrict nothing we can eat or drink?
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    Nov 09, 2013 7:39 PM GMT
    I haven't seen anyone one mentioned this yet from Ctrl F but transfat has a double negative side to it. It lowers your HDL(good cholesterol) and raises your LDL(bad cholesterol.)icon_exclaim.gif
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    Nov 09, 2013 8:32 PM GMT
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    MisterWhatsIt saidWhat's next on their list? Where does it end? Popcorn served at movie theaters contributes to obesity. Are they going to ban popcorn at movie theaters? Or just do a Bloomberg and limit you to 10 kernels?

    Please state your source that popcorn causes obesity. And Mayor Bloomberg came to office as a Republican. So whose "list" is this? Democrat or Republican?

    Do you also object to limitations on cigarette sales? Alcohol to minors? Narcotics? Should the government restrict nothing we can eat or drink?


    Ooops - the NYC government has already set their sites on popcorn at movie theaters. icon_razz.gif

    http://www.inquisitr.com/254108/nyc-obesity-ban-may-expand-to-include-popcorn-and-milkshakes/
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    Nov 09, 2013 8:52 PM GMT
    Hello, I’m with the government and I’m here to help you eat. I'll tell you what to eat, and you'll pardon me if I get it wrong half the time.
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    Nov 09, 2013 9:33 PM GMT
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    He has a point though. You sound like you're on the payroll of big tobacco. Don't listen to the surgeon general, kids, addiction is freedom.


    No, he really doesn't. He's just using ad hominem deflection. That's not a point, it's a logical fallacy.

    But to your point: How does a defense of the ideal of liberty put me on the payroll of big tobacco?

    I don't smoke; I don't overeat. I think both are gross. But I don't have the right to tell you how to live. How does my right to tell you how to live expand just because there are a bunch of me making the policy?

    I'm not talking about educating the consumer here. That's all well and good. I'm talking about policy mandates that force us into a change not of our own choosing.
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    Nov 09, 2013 9:38 PM GMT
    MisterWhatsIt saidWhat's next on their list? Where does it end? Popcorn served at movie theaters contributes to obesity. Are they going to ban popcorn at movie theaters? Or just do a Bloomberg and limit you to 10 kernels?


    Exactly. Where does it end?

    Gay sex is a comparatively risky activity. Objectively, we have a statistically higher chance to catch certain diseases. In a socialized healthcare system such as what we're moving toward, shouldn't such activity be banned? After all, it does increase the burden on all of us.

    Liberty is important, and when coupled with personal responsibility works remarkably well. Sad that so many sheeple have been convinced otherwise.
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    Nov 09, 2013 9:42 PM GMT
    Is this an American only problem ? I think here in the U.K most food manufacturers have removed them from their products years ago.
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    Nov 09, 2013 9:44 PM GMT
    Jockbod48 saidHello, I’m with the government and I’m here to help you eat. I'll tell you what to eat, and you'll pardon me if I get it wrong half the time.


    Did you hear that the CDC has recently backed off on its warnings about sodium consumption? Apparently it's now dangerous to eat too little:
    http://kfor.com/2013/07/09/cdc-admits-long-standing-error-there-is-no-benefit-in-reducing-salt/

    The "truth" changes all the time as new science reveals it. Yet these yahoos sit on their thrones and think they know so much that they can manage our lives more effectively than we can.

    So now, according to the CDC, nannies like Bloomberg are evidently trying to kill people. The shock!

    (btw, people, don't get started about Bloomberg being elected a Republican. He was never a conservative and those are two very different things.)
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    Nov 09, 2013 9:58 PM GMT
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    MisterWhatsIt saidWhat's next on their list? Where does it end? Popcorn served at movie theaters contributes to obesity. Are they going to ban popcorn at movie theaters? Or just do a Bloomberg and limit you to 10 kernels?


    Exactly. Where does it end?

    Gay sex is a comparatively risky activity. Objectively, we have a statistically higher chance to catch certain diseases. In a socialized healthcare system such as what we're moving toward, shouldn't such activity be banned? After all, it does increase the burden on all of us.

    Liberty is important, and when coupled with personal responsibility works remarkably well. Sad that so many sheeple have been convinced otherwise.


    Oh, no, they would never go THAT far. They'll just stop at trans fats. No need to go any further, right?
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    Nov 10, 2013 2:14 AM GMT
    whateveryo saidIs this an American only problem ? I think here in the U.K most food manufacturers have removed them from their products years ago.

    You mean you're not free to purchase poisoned food???icon_eek.gif
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    Nov 10, 2013 2:18 AM GMT
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    whateveryo saidIs this an American only problem ? I think here in the U.K most food manufacturers have removed them from their products years ago.

    You mean you're not free to purchase poisoned food???icon_eek.gif


    But sir, it is the American standard of unlimited commerce which must be upheld. It all has nothing to do with people dying from heart attacks or eating junk food. Please, let's be sensible here and let the big boys who can afford heart bypasses make more money.
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    Nov 10, 2013 7:51 PM GMT
    tantiboh saidThe "truth" changes all the time as new science reveals it. Yet these yahoos sit on their thrones and think they know so much that they can manage our lives more effectively than we can.

    So now, according to the CDC, nannies like Bloomberg are evidently trying to kill people. The shock!


    OK, I like freedom as much as you. Really, I do. But I don't have the time or resources to educate myself on every fucking dripping dot of poison the free market feels compelled to make a profit with.

    Back in your day (let's say 1752, when all you found mixed with your flour was a little sand for weight), it was possible to eat things that were generally healthy, or at the most benignly organ chafing.

    Today, since we have small plots of xeriscaped AstroTurf in our north-facing patios, growing our own food is no longer the thing. We buy it, and hope it's good. New foods are invented for us, and we eat it, because chewing and stuff.

    Ad exec: here's something you can eat, and your fucking kids will knife you in your sleep if you don't buy it. Oh, by the way, it's made out of lead paint chips.

    Yes, I'm proud of my government, taking the time to tell me what's poison and what can't be sold as food. Because first-world civilization and stuff. I regret that you're part of the reason we elect people who'd skip on that advancement. Sure, science is wrong sometimes, but the great thing about science is that it's got a forward button. Generally I'm OK with the CDC trusting the science on this.

    This whole freedom thing (because you're too smart to eat poison shit from China) only works if you haven't outsourced vigilance to the assholes making the buck. What do they care, lead paint chips are shit-ton profitable.
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    Nov 10, 2013 8:53 PM GMT
    HottJoe saidFreedom in America is about the freedom to profit. If you invent something, you are free to find a sweatshop to bring your product to the market. It can be a product that kills everyone. That's none of Uncle Sam's business. Freedom has nothing to do with equality, labor standards, or labeling poison as such. That's just way too European.icon_rolleyes.gif


    I agree. The problem is, the for-profit food industry. Food, like health care, is a basic necessity. It should not be left up to a for-profit group of mega-companies.

    Just like we should have single-payer government run health care, we should have a government grown / created / produced / distributed food chain.
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    Nov 10, 2013 9:01 PM GMT
    How many of you plan to supplement your diet with trans fats once the FDA has banned food manufacturers from using it?

    I hope trans fats will still be available in pill form for anyone feeling the need.

    I quit trans fats a long time ago. So far so good.

    I don't eat rat poison either. I'm actually kinda glad that the FDA bans it.
    But this America and if you want to add rat poison to your own food, by all means, feel free.
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    Nov 11, 2013 4:19 AM GMT
    sorry you conservative morons, but after WW2, when food science and chemistry largely began, the FDA had the right to try to protect consumers from dangerous food products.

    Some times it worked and some times it didn't. But ConAgra, Nestle, Monsanto and Proctor & Gamble could give a shit about your health.

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    Nov 11, 2013 6:37 AM GMT
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    tantiboh saidThe "truth" changes all the time as new science reveals it. Yet these yahoos sit on their thrones and think they know so much that they can manage our lives more effectively than we can.

    So now, according to the CDC, nannies like Bloomberg are evidently trying to kill people. The shock!


    OK, I like freedom as much as you. Really, I do. But I don't have the time or resources to educate myself on every fucking dripping dot of poison the free market feels compelled to make a profit with.

    Back in your day (let's say 1752, when all you found mixed with your flour was a little sand for weight), it was possible to eat things that were generally healthy, or at the most benignly organ chafing.

    Today, since we have small plots of xeriscaped AstroTurf in our north-facing patios, growing our own food is no longer the thing. We buy it, and hope it's good. New foods are invented for us, and we eat it, because chewing and stuff.

    Ad exec: here's something you can eat, and your fucking kids will knife you in your sleep if you don't buy it. Oh, by the way, it's made out of lead paint chips.

    Yes, I'm proud of my government, taking the time to tell me what's poison and what can't be sold as food. Because first-world civilization and stuff. I regret that you're part of the reason we elect people who'd skip on that advancement. Sure, science is wrong sometimes, but the great thing about science is that it's got a forward button. Generally I'm OK with the CDC trusting the science on this.

    This whole freedom thing (because you're too smart to eat poison shit from China) only works if you haven't outsourced vigilance to the assholes making the buck. What do they care, lead paint chips are shit-ton profitable.


    You've set up a straw man argument. Neither the right nor I advocate abolishing either consumer protections or consumer education. Those are your words, not mine.

    What I strenuously reject is the idea that I have the right to force you to consume what I think is better for you.

    Period. Simple as that.
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    Nov 11, 2013 6:39 AM GMT
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    HottJoe saidFreedom in America is about the freedom to profit. If you invent something, you are free to find a sweatshop to bring your product to the market. It can be a product that kills everyone. That's none of Uncle Sam's business. Freedom has nothing to do with equality, labor standards, or labeling poison as such. That's just way too European.icon_rolleyes.gif


    I agree. The problem is, the for-profit food industry. Food, like health care, is a basic necessity. It should not be left up to a for-profit group of mega-companies.

    Just like we should have single-payer government run health care, we should have a government grown / created / produced / distributed food chain.


    How's that kind of thinking working for Venezuela at the moment?

    Sensibly-regulated capitalism is the most effective, efficient way to feed the poor. Starvation happens where that is missing.
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    Nov 11, 2013 6:40 AM GMT
    somersault saidsorry you conservative morons, but after WW2, when food science and chemistry largely began, the FDA had the right to try to protect consumers from dangerous food products.

    Some times it worked and some times it didn't. But ConAgra, Nestle, Monsanto and Proctor & Gamble could give a shit about your health.



    lol You crack me up. Are you actually capable of making a cogent argument without resorting to name-calling?
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    Nov 11, 2013 7:15 AM GMT
    ^^

    lol go hole up with your guns and beans
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    Nov 11, 2013 7:19 AM GMT
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    lol go hole up with your guns and beans


    That'd be more fun than hanging out with hipster scum like you
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    Nov 11, 2013 7:29 AM GMT
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    lol go hole up with your guns and beans


    That'd be more fun than hanging out with hipster scum like you


    Dude, I am -so- turned on by you right now.
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    Nov 11, 2013 7:33 AM GMT
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    lol go hole up with your guns and beans


    That'd be more fun than hanging out with hipster scum like you


    Dude, I am -so- turned on by you right now.


    haha, well isn't that romantic