Trans fats: FDA moves to reduce artery-clogger trans fats in processed foods

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    Nov 13, 2013 2:28 AM GMT
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    woodsmen saidYou do not want a government created by Washington, engineered by Jefferson, and preserved by Lincoln. Get out of our country.


    You are not advocating that government. You are advocating a style of government practiced by Stalin, Mao, Chavez, et al.

    That you do not realize this is one of the more alarming things I've observed in some time.

    Right. The possibility of a law stopping food manufacturers from poisoning the food supply IS the most alarming thing in the world today. Companies should be free to poison customers. It's not like unfettered industry caused global warming. People who like global warming CHOSE it.


    False premise. Transfats are not poisonous. They are simply unhealthy. Just as sugar is unhealthy. Too much of either will harm you. In moderation, neither is a problem. I shouldn't be able to force you to make better health decisions.
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    Nov 13, 2013 2:32 AM GMT
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    The only way we are going to survive as a civilization is for the these for-profit entities to be outlawed. They have shown that they are bad in the following areas:

    Health care

    Food production

    Environmental damage

    Having the government take over each of these vital areas of human activity will result in a better quality of life for all and not just the very rich. Fortunately the USA is almost there with the government takeover of health care and millions of people are already benefitting from it.


    I love how you simply ignore this argument as if I never made it. It really speaks well for your willingness to apply and defend your logic. But, I'll make it again:

    Your way has been tried and has resulted in widespread starvation, privation, and hardship. The USSR and China are the biggest examples in history. Today we see it developing in Venezuela.

    Your way is ultimately cruel and destructive.
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    Nov 13, 2013 2:35 AM GMT
    HottJoe saidTalking to a conservative is more painful than slamming your head into a brick wall. Humanity is fucked.icon_confused.gif


    lol Funny how we seem to always defeat liberals' arguments, and comments like this are usually their final rejoinder.

    The fact is, conservatism, defined as the combination of liberty and personal responsibility, is in every way the superior ideology. It can be defended with reason and logic in all aspects. This is a very frustrating thing for liberals; I've seen your pain before.

    I'm sitting here smiling as I once again reinforce my beliefs by demonstrating how they defeat yours. You are thinking about slamming your head into a brick wall.

    I'll stick with what I got, thanks.
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    Nov 13, 2013 2:38 AM GMT
    OH no! I wont be able to eat the trans fats I already avoid!
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    Nov 13, 2013 2:39 AM GMT
    woodsmen saidYet conservatives lost the last major election.


    They sure did. And the nation is in the process of paying for its poor judgment.

    Unpopularity doesn't make an ideology wrong.

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    Nov 13, 2013 3:31 AM GMT
    woodsmen saidIt is called a democracy. And statistically, the collective judgment of the people is right in the long run.


    Agreed. Which is why I keep fighting for conservatism :-)
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    Nov 13, 2013 3:37 AM GMT
    woodsmen saidIt is called a democracy. And statistically, the collective judgment of the people is right in the long run.

    What has democracy got to do with proper health policy? Just a little bit Polyannish, perhaps?

    Right,the collective judgment of the people, like when the Nazis got the most votes in Germany in November, 1932, or when the National Facist party won the Italian elections in 1934, the re-elections of dictator Mugabe in Zimbawbwe, the persecution of gays in the democratic states of Sudan and Uganda?
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    Nov 13, 2013 4:19 AM GMT
    woodsmen saidI think the country needs both parties to fight the evil of the world. But in its current form, scholars have predicted the conversative demise leading to the formation of new parties.

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    woodsmen saidIt is called a democracy. And statistically, the collective judgment of the people is right in the long run.


    Agreed. Which is why I keep fighting for conservatism :-)


    Your talking about the demise of the Republicans. It is precisely because Republicans and conservatives are not the same thing that new parties are predicted.

    I'm not a Republican. I'm a conservative. Unfortunately, there aren't many conservatives left in the upper echelons of the Republican party.
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    Nov 13, 2013 4:35 AM GMT
    woodsmen said"I'm not a Republican. I'm a conservative. Unfortunately, there aren't many conservatives left in the upper echelons of the Republican party."

    This right here signifies the distancing of the members of that party from the party. This is not the first time but in fact the fifth time that the dominant conservative party found itself out of time, out of alignment from the direction of the country, and has to be rebirth anew.


    Self-identified liberals are, in fact, in the minority:
    http://www.gallup.com/poll/152021/conservatives-remain-largest-ideological-group.aspx

    To sum, as of early 2012, 40% self-identify as conservatives, 21% as liberals.

    The recent electoral defeats are largely explained by conservatives staying home - there wasn't a conservative to vote for, and the conservative base of the Republican party is rebelling.
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    Nov 13, 2013 4:47 AM GMT
    woodsmen said^tantiboh, no one believes that. The coalitions that reelected the President in 2012 are larger than the shrinking conservative base.


    Gallup seems to believe it.

    Why did Obama win the last election?
    1) Conservatives stayed home
    2) The President was very successful in his turnout efforts

    Romney actually won the independent vote in most of the swing states, yet lost the election. Crunching the data reveals that about 3 million voters who turned out to vote for McCain failed to turn out for Romney. If they had showed up, Romney would have won handily.

    The data suggest that liberalism is in the minority in this country. The problem is that liberals are working harder to advance their agenda, while conservatives are waiting for a better option to represent their ideology. That has resulted in the electoral defeat of conservatism in recent years, but you'd be mistaken to believe that conservatism is defeated or marginalized.
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    Nov 13, 2013 5:12 AM GMT
    woodsmen said"That has resulted in the electoral defeat of conservatism in recent years, but you'd be mistaken to believe that conservatism is defeated or marginalized"

    The Republican Party has lost 4 out of the last 6 elections. They just lost a leading State of the South, Virginia. Statistics does not look good.


    Yep. Things are pretty bleak right now. But once again you are equating Republicanism with conservatism. What I'm telling you (again) is that I firmly believe that Republicans are losing elections because they are ignoring conservatives.

    The express goal of the Tea Party movement is to retake the Republican party for conservatism from the ground up. The Republican establishment is resisting this strongly. If this resistance is successful, it will result in the formation of a new conservative party to meet the demand for representation of conservative ideology.

    Republicanism is fading. Conservatism is alive and well. It's a decades-long project for that to fully manifest itself as political action, but it's only a matter of time.

    Which is why I'm a happy warrior, doing my little part to show that conservatism is ideologically superior. We will win in the end, because we have the truth on our side.
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    Nov 13, 2013 5:43 AM GMT
    Well I think it's just pure bigotry that they're going after the fat trannys. As if there were enough of them to make any difference. If the government were at all serious about the issue, they'd ban fat women. Period.

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    Nov 21, 2013 5:44 PM GMT
    tantiboh saidDude. I generally don't eat that crap, but what about freedom? What business has the FDA got telling me what I can or cannot eat?

    Let's be honest: it tastes good. If I want to splurge on some french fries, I know what I'm doing to myself. Why is the government in the business of protecting me from me?

    /rant


    Well there you go, I guess we should also go back to providing thalidomide to pregnant mothers if they want to use it, right?


    Hey, we could go back to using #2 red dye in candies! While we're at it, heck with rules and failed kidneys, it's about freedom, so put the melamine back in protein powders! Caveat emptor.

    ...btw, it's not freedom when you have to constantly be on guard and wary, repeatedly examining and re-researching everything you put in your mouth. It's not freedom when you're forced to pay more for health insurance when rates are jacked up because of others' claims when they get ill. Take a look at house insurance as an example of that mechanism.
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    Nov 21, 2013 5:49 PM GMT
    The absolute latest healthy eating news, is a study that showed that if yuo take a mouthful of nuts every day, you can lower your heart attack risk by 20%.

    Anyone on this site have a hot gif to illustrate that?