LA plastic bag ban Jan 1st

  • DCEric

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    Dec 12, 2013 11:50 PM GMT
    eb925guy said
    Lumpyoatmeal saidThat's just Subway's excuse for making you pay more.

    No it's not! LOL I still get the monthly special…foot long for only $5 and it lasts me for 2 days! LOL


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    Dec 12, 2013 11:52 PM GMT
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    eb925guy said
    Lumpyoatmeal saidThat's just Subway's excuse for making you pay more.

    No it's not! LOL I still get the monthly special…foot long for only $5 and it lasts me for 2 days! LOL
    I once had a boyfriend like that.

    Tell me you didn't chop him up or something! LOL
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    Dec 13, 2013 1:24 AM GMT
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    scruffLA saidI DID NOT HAVE A VOTE IN THIS...I repeat, as a resident of LA, I did not want this ban, it was forced upon us by the continuation of the nanny state, I think its a pain in the ass walking into a store with your own bags, THOSE WHO WANTED THIS SHOULD PROVIDE THE ECO BAGS FOR EVERYONE, FREE, starting Jan 1st, I will expect every store and their employees in Los Angeles, to stand out front of their store and pass out these FREE bags to customers coming to shop

    I don't plan on actually buying eco bags, I must get them for FREE, these eco bags are NOT washable, there will be cases of food poisoning from 'dirty bags', once the dirty bag cant be used anymore, I guess the stores will provide a new FREE bag, I better not have to pay anything for this stupid idea, more frequent shopping trips due to limited amount items eco bags can hold

    LA forces this ban but yet are horrible and stupid at recycling programs

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    The dark ages where a king decided your fate cradle to grave .

    As plastic-bag ban looms, L.A. plans to give out totes
    http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-los-angeles-bag-ban-20131118,0,7759674.story#axzz2nF6wz0wO

    http://dpw.lacounty.gov/epd/aboutthebag/


    what a difference of opinion makes, Dallas wont be following the nanny's

    Plastic Bag Bans Don't Save Cities Money
    http://www.digitaljournal.com/pr/1635748

    San Francisco banned plastic bags in 2007, claiming in part that the ban would decrease the overall amount of garbage collected. In fact, garbage and recycling rates rose more than 78.6% in the city between 2005 and 2013.




    It's the new trend anti democratic trend. Big picture it's back to the dark ages.

    I didn't know they banned plastic bags in the dark ages.



    The dark ages where a King decided your fate from cradle to grave.

    The democratic age was an experiment to see if people with freedom did a better job controlling their destiny than a king. The experiment seemed to work way into the 1980's then individual freedom was traded in for government control. Now we don't have freedom to carry a plastic bag and you can track the loss of individual freedom to the growing gap between the rich and poor. Without individual freedom the rulers become rich and powerful . You didn't vote for plastic bag control ... You didn't vote for Obama care or the bank bailouts .


    Sorry, but your latest remarks are just nonsense.

    You claim that individual freedom was traded in for government control and used the examples of plastic bag control, the health care act, and bank bailouts. How exactly are these examples any different than the way laws have been passed in this country since its beginning?

    No we didn't directly vote for these laws. We voted for congressmen who created these laws, just exactly the way it's been going since this country's first legislative action and, yes, well into the 1980s.

    Also, you claim that we cannot carry a plastic bag. I hate to break it to you, but the law scruffLA mentioned does not fine a person for carrying a plastic bag. You can carry as many plastic bags as you want.
  • ThatSwimmerGu...

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    Dec 13, 2013 6:24 AM GMT
    Only problem I would have would be buying meats. I like to keep that shit in separate bags.
  • musclmed

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    Dec 13, 2013 6:29 AM GMT
    scruffLA saidI DID NOT HAVE A VOTE IN THIS...I repeat, as a resident of LA, I did not want this ban, it was forced upon us by the continuation of the nanny state, I think its a pain in the ass walking into a store with your own bags, THOSE WHO WANTED THIS SHOULD PROVIDE THE ECO BAGS FOR EVERYONE, FREE, starting Jan 1st, I will expect every store and their employees in Los Angeles, to stand out front of their store and pass out these FREE bags to customers coming to shop

    I don't plan on actually buying eco bags, I must get them for FREE, these eco bags are NOT washable, there will be cases of food poisoning from 'dirty bags', once the dirty bag cant be used anymore, I guess the stores will provide a new FREE bag, I better not have to pay anything for this stupid idea, more frequent shopping trips due to limited amount items eco bags can hold

    LA forces this ban but yet are horrible and stupid at recycling programs

    icon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gif



    As plastic-bag ban looms, L.A. plans to give out totes
    http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-los-angeles-bag-ban-20131118,0,7759674.story#axzz2nF6wz0wO

    http://dpw.lacounty.gov/epd/aboutthebag/


    what a difference of opinion makes, Dallas wont be following the nanny's

    Plastic Bag Bans Don't Save Cities Money
    http://www.digitaljournal.com/pr/1635748

    San Francisco banned plastic bags in 2007, claiming in part that the ban would decrease the overall amount of garbage collected. In fact, garbage and recycling rates rose more than 78.6% in the city between 2005 and 2013.




    Its been in effect in West Hollywood for a year and I can honestly say some of the bags people are carrying around are a bit stinky.

    This is from the same crowd that believes that if its "green" in color its good for you. If its served by a white girl with dreadlocks its even better. - Juice craze.

    The problem is these misinformed StarBucks University degree holders are in power locally. And there was a news 11 piece on how one of the Los Angeles bag factories was going to shut down likely because of these silly bans.

    My problem is that stores would gladly provide good reausable paper bags for free. But that was not good enough, they want to make you hurt so you carry a tote bag around.

    Scruff? interested in starting a plastic bag vending machine company? The statues does not ban the sale of plastic bags, just giving them at point of sale.
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    Dec 13, 2013 6:49 AM GMT
    ThatSwimmerGuy saidOnly problem I would have would be buying meats. I like to keep that shit in separate bags.
    We have plastic grocery bag bans here, but all the supermarkets still offer the roll plastic bags to put your meats in. Same in the produce section.

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    Dec 13, 2013 8:13 PM GMT
    Lumpyoatmeal saidThat's just Subway's excuse for making you pay more.

    Actually, in the SF Bay Area, the stores (mostly grociery) are probably making a mint on selling paper bags. They used to give them out for free, and in most jurisdictions, they are now required to charge 10 cents for them - for bags that probably cost them 1 cent or less.
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    Dec 13, 2013 8:17 PM GMT
    I wish that there were laws requiring various paper products to be made from recycled paper; e.g., paper bags, napkins, cardboard boxes, etc.
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    Dec 13, 2013 8:19 PM GMT
    why ban? you can use recyclable plastic bags icon_rolleyes.gif
  • metta

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    Dec 13, 2013 8:20 PM GMT
    Paper Grocery Bag Prices
    http://www.uline.com/BL_5504/Grocery-Bags

    I think this is the standard size:

    http://www.uline.com/Product/Detail/S-9621/Retail-Bags-Paper/Kraft-Paper-Grocery-Bags-12-x-7-x-17-1-6-Barrel

    avg: $0.09/bag
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    Dec 13, 2013 8:21 PM GMT
    metta8 saidPaper Grocery Bag Prices
    http://www.uline.com/BL_5504/Grocery-Bags


    and why paper is better? it killes the forests,no?
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    Dec 13, 2013 8:24 PM GMT
    I think that they are trying to get people to bring in their own bags that are reusable. Not switch from plastic to paper.


    They should just ban the non-biodegradable bags.
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    Dec 13, 2013 9:29 PM GMT
    I like that they are banned. Anything we can do to stop being such a wasteful society is a good thing. What I don't like is the contemptuous looks I get at Whole Foods when I forget to bring mine. icon_smile.gif
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    Dec 13, 2013 9:45 PM GMT
    metta8 saidPaper Grocery Bag Prices
    http://www.uline.com/BL_5504/Grocery-Bags

    I think this is the standard size:

    http://www.uline.com/Product/Detail/S-9621/Retail-Bags-Paper/Kraft-Paper-Grocery-Bags-12-x-7-x-17-1-6-Barrel

    avg: $0.09/bag
    Thanks for the info. The standard grocery size bag is about 6.5" x 11.75" x 13.5", somewhat smaller, ant not included on that selection of bags. But these are essentially retail prices of some shop-owner buying a few bundles at a time. I am quite sure that the wholesale price charged to a major grocery chain buying 10s of thousands or 100s of thousands of bags at a time is substantially lower.
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    Dec 13, 2013 9:50 PM GMT
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    metta8 saidPaper Grocery Bag Prices
    http://www.uline.com/BL_5504/Grocery-Bags


    and why paper is better? it killes the forests,no?

    A re-usable bag is best, but not all people are going to get them, or remember to bring them with. Paper is better than plastic, because it is recyclable, and doesn't pollute like the plastic bags that get blown around the land and into the ocean; and don't require chemical plants to produce them. Almost all paper bags (and cardboard boxes) these days are made of recycled paper. Eve if they weren't, they don't cut down mature pines and spruces to make paper these days (maybe in China, but not in the developed world). That wood that is grown for paper is farmed.
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    Dec 13, 2013 10:30 PM GMT
    Now if only we could get more of the disposable plastics made from biodegradable stuff. There's a coffee shop near where I worked that had plastic forks, spoons, and knives, and clear plastic cups that were all made from corn.

    Of course, this is all missing the point; the underlying problem is population control.
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    metta8 saidPaper Grocery Bag Prices
    http://www.uline.com/BL_5504/Grocery-Bags


    and why paper is better? it killes the forests,no?

    A re-usable bag is best, but not all people are going to get them, or remember to bring them with. Paper is better than plastic, because it is recyclable, and doesn't pollute like the plastic bags that get blown around the land and into the ocean; and don't require chemical plants to produce them. Almost all paper bags (and cardboard boxes) these days are made of recycled paper. Eve if they weren't, they don't cut down mature pines and spruces to make paper these days (maybe in China, but not in the developed world). That wood that is grown for paper is farmed.



    I have to pay extra (10 cents) for these? they better at least come with handles icon_rolleyes.gif

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    Dec 14, 2013 4:51 AM GMT
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    scruffLA saidI DID NOT HAVE A VOTE IN THIS...I repeat, as a resident of LA, I did not want this ban, it was forced upon us by the continuation of the nanny state, I think its a pain in the ass walking into a store with your own bags, THOSE WHO WANTED THIS SHOULD PROVIDE THE ECO BAGS FOR EVERYONE, FREE, starting Jan 1st, I will expect every store and their employees in Los Angeles, to stand out front of their store and pass out these FREE bags to customers coming to shop

    I don't plan on actually buying eco bags, I must get them for FREE, these eco bags are NOT washable, there will be cases of food poisoning from 'dirty bags', once the dirty bag cant be used anymore, I guess the stores will provide a new FREE bag, I better not have to pay anything for this stupid idea, more frequent shopping trips due to limited amount items eco bags can hold

    LA forces this ban but yet are horrible and stupid at recycling programs

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    As plastic-bag ban looms, L.A. plans to give out totes
    http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-los-angeles-bag-ban-20131118,0,7759674.story#axzz2nF6wz0wO

    http://dpw.lacounty.gov/epd/aboutthebag/


    what a difference of opinion makes, Dallas wont be following the nanny's

    Plastic Bag Bans Don't Save Cities Money
    http://www.digitaljournal.com/pr/1635748

    San Francisco banned plastic bags in 2007, claiming in part that the ban would decrease the overall amount of garbage collected. In fact, garbage and recycling rates rose more than 78.6% in the city between 2005 and 2013.




    Its been in effect in West Hollywood for a year and I can honestly say some of the bags people are carrying around are a bit stinky.

    This is from the same crowd that believes that if its "green" in color its good for you. If its served by a white girl with dreadlocks its even better. - Juice craze.

    The problem is these misinformed StarBucks University degree holders are in power locally. And there was a news 11 piece on how one of the Los Angeles bag factories was going to shut down likely because of these silly bans.

    My problem is that stores would gladly provide good reausable paper bags for free. But that was not good enough, they want to make you hurt so you carry a tote bag around.

    Scruff? interested in starting a plastic bag vending machine company? The statues does not ban the sale of plastic bags, just giving them at point of sale.



    yeah, I like that idea, what pisses me off the most is the bone heads who enacted this law didn't even give recycling the plastic bags a chance, as a resident, I can tell you how horrible Los Angeles is at recycling, its almost non existent, or at the very least, extremely disorganized, late last year, the city dropped of two 'blue bins' in our apartment building for 'recycling', every week these bins are overflowing with an unorganized mess, I mean I have seen stupid tenants throw whole pizza boxes, make up containers, In&Out burger shake paper cups, cracked mirrors, just junk that should be bagged and put into the regular trash, they don't even bagged the stuff!

    the hyper environmentalists should have given recycling plastic bags a try first, unlike other states, CA has what is called CRV, recyclable bottles and cans that you are charged 10 cents at the register, other states offer 5 or 10 cent refund on recycled bottle/cans, they way CA recycles these is by weight, not buy dollar amount, so, your bottles and cans basically end up with the homeless who go around trash picking, see plastic bags are weightless

    this is what we typically see in any Los Angeles neighborhood, recycling by weight, not dollar amount, if it were by dollar amount, homeless people would not be the only ones turning in recyclables

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    http://www.thebronxjournal.com/recycling-to-survive-some-face-abuse/
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    Dec 14, 2013 4:56 AM GMT
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    Lumpyoatmeal saidThat's just Subway's excuse for making you pay more.

    No it's not! LOL I still get the monthly special…foot long for only $5 and it lasts me for 2 days! LOL


    I once had a boyfriend like that.

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  • metta

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    Dec 14, 2013 5:07 AM GMT
    Actually, the city of LA has some pretty big plans in regards to waste:

    "The City is currently in the process of developing the Solid Waste Integrated Resources Plan, a 20-year master plan that would supersede the existing City of Los Angeles Solid Waste Management Policy Plan and achieve City's goal of becomming a zero waste city by 2030."

    http://cityplanning.lacity.org/eir/BarlowHospital/DEIR/DEIR/IV.M.3_Solid_Waste.pdf

    The city I live in, which is in LA County (not the city of LA) recycles at least 60% of its waste. If I remember correctly, I think that had to do with meeting a State requirement, which increases over time. The only bin we have is for yard waste. The rest just goes in the regular trash cans and gets sorted after they take it away. I'm sure that the city of LA is doing something similar. It is cheaper and more effective. They found that when they had several bins they had to resort them anyways.


    And there are places people turn in their recyclables for cash. I have never done it but I have seen homeless people do it.
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    metta8 saidActually, the city of LA has some pretty big plans in regards to waste:

    "The City is currently in the process of developing the Solid Waste Integrated Resources Plan, a 20-year master plan that would supersede the existing City of Los Angeles Solid Waste Management Policy Plan and achieve City's goal of becomming a zero waste city by 2030."

    http://cityplanning.lacity.org/eir/BarlowHospital/DEIR/DEIR/IV.M.3_Solid_Waste.pdf

    The city I live in, which is in LA County (not the city of LA) recycles at least 60% of its waste. If I remember correctly, I think that had to do with meeting a State requirement, which increases over time. The only bin we have is for yard waste. The rest just goes in the regular trash cans and gets sorted after they take it away. I'm sure that the city of LA is doing something similar. It is cheaper and more effective. They found that when they had several bins they had to resort them anyways.


    they need to start paying people to recycle, period. offering 5-10 cent refunds for actual recyclables

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    this must be the reason CA does not pay its people to recycle, smuggling is a big business though icon_rolleyes.gif

    Smugglers still cashing in on Michigan can refund
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/02/23/smugglers-still-cashing-in-on-michigan-can-refund/1941567/

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    Dec 14, 2013 5:59 AM GMT
    Seattle did this a year or two ago. Shocked me when I moved to the 'burbs of LA and...started getting a dozen small trash bags every time I go to Target. Despite the rain, never had a paper bag failure.


    Honestly, the reusable bags are awesome for moving between apartments. Very durable, nice handles. About $1 apiece (cardboard box...more expensive and not as durable, especially in the rain.)


    You just have to take care of them.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/health/sns-green-bacteria-in-shopping-bags,0,4837500.story

    http://www.kcet.org/living/food/the-nosh/wash-those-reusable-grocery-bags.html

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    Dec 14, 2013 6:02 AM GMT
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    metta8 saidActually, the city of LA has some pretty big plans in regards to waste:

    "The City is currently in the process of developing the Solid Waste Integrated Resources Plan, a 20-year master plan that would supersede the existing City of Los Angeles Solid Waste Management Policy Plan and achieve City's goal of becomming a zero waste city by 2030."

    http://cityplanning.lacity.org/eir/BarlowHospital/DEIR/DEIR/IV.M.3_Solid_Waste.pdf

    The city I live in, which is in LA County (not the city of LA) recycles at least 60% of its waste. If I remember correctly, I think that had to do with meeting a State requirement, which increases over time. The only bin we have is for yard waste. The rest just goes in the regular trash cans and gets sorted after they take it away. I'm sure that the city of LA is doing something similar. It is cheaper and more effective. They found that when they had several bins they had to resort them anyways.


    they need to start paying people to recycle, period. offering 5-10 cent refunds for actual recyclables

    canlady.jpg

    this must be the reason CA does not pay its people to recycle, smuggling is a big business though icon_rolleyes.gif

    Smugglers still cashing in on Michigan can refund
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/02/23/smugglers-still-cashing-in-on-michigan-can-refund/1941567/



    I seem to remember the state of NY combats this by putting a different UPC Barcode on the can. The auto-recycle machines wouldn't take the can until it had read the bar code. (made those machines...slow.)

    Apparently, they still can't break even.
    http://www.americanrecycler.com/1009/new.shtml

    CA beverage deposit is $0.05. It will have to be more to justify the gas and hassle for a place that would reimburse that.
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    Dec 14, 2013 4:18 PM GMT
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    San Francisco banned plastic bags in 2007, claiming in part that the ban would decrease the overall amount of garbage collected. In fact, garbage and recycling rates rose more than 78.6% in the city between 2005 and 2013.


    First, if you feel so strongly about the law, start a grassroots movement to change it.

    Second, you're using information about San Francisco's recycling program out of context. San Francisco's recycling rates continue to go up because prior to 2009 it was not mandatory to separate "garbage" into "recyclables", "compostables", and "waste". This is progress towards our "Zero Waste Philosophy".

    From Wikipedia (follow to check citations)The City and County of San Francisco’s Department of the Environment established a goal of zero waste in 2002,[2] which led to the Mandatory Recycling and Composting Ordinance in 2009.[3] With its ambitious goal of zero waste and policies, San Francisco reached a record-breaking 80% diversion rate in 2010,[4] the highest diversion rate in any North American city. San Francisco received a perfect score in the waste category in the Siemens US and Canada Green City Index, which named San Francisco the greenest city in North America.[5]


    If you still feel so strongly about your sensational and emotionally hysterical view, have you considered joining the Tea Bagger movement to help overturn the plastic bag law?
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    Dec 14, 2013 4:23 PM GMT
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    metta8 saidPaper Grocery Bag Prices
    http://www.uline.com/BL_5504/Grocery-Bags


    and why paper is better? it killes the forests,no?


    Paper bags made from recycled paper content does not use more trees.